Anonymous
08/14/2023 23:09
Subject: Top 20 Non-Ivy League Schools - Lets Debate
Swarthmore should be grouped with Williams and Amherst. All three should probably be in your group 2. Pomona could stay too but I'd probably swap it and Swarthmore. Pomona is a close call. Amherst, Williams, and Swarthmore are the only LACs USNWR has ever ranked #1 multiple times and none has ever been lower than 4 (Pomona has been 7 and 8 at different points though it has been on the rise, especially since it is the best western LAC).
I'd add a group 0 at the top that is just Harvard and Stanford. Their undergrad and grad programs are excellent in pretty much every department and school, which isn't the case with even Yale and MIT.
Group 1 should just be Yale, MIT, Princeton, and Caltech. Move the rest of group 1 to group 2.
I'd add a group 0 at the top that is just Harvard and Stanford. Their undergrad and grad programs are excellent in pretty much every department and school, which isn't the case with even Yale and MIT.
Group 1 should just be Yale, MIT, Princeton, and Caltech. Move the rest of group 1 to group 2.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 19:54
Subject: Top 20 Non-Ivy League Schools - Lets Debate
Anonymous wrote:I don’t think NYU, UVA and USC belong to this list.
+1
I can't believe the obsession with lists. And no, those three do not belong on that list.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 19:34
Subject: Top 20 Non-Ivy League Schools - Lets Debate
Anonymous wrote:Was PP and I meant this is really accurate honestly.
First group
Harvard
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
Stanford University
Yale
Princeton
University of Chicago
Upenn
Johns Hopkins University
California Institute of Technology
Duke University
Northwestern University
Second Group
Columbia
Dartmouth
Vanderbilt University
Brown
Rice University
Cornell
Washington University in St. Louis
Emory University
Williams
Amherst
Notre Dame
Georgetown University
UC Berkeley
Pomona
Third Group
Swarthmore
Wellesley
UCLA
Carnegie Melon University
New York University
Bowdoin
Tufts
University of Southern California
University of Virginia
Barnard
The University of Michigan Ann-Arbor
Honorable mentions: UNC-Chapel Hill, Boston College, Haverford, Middlebury, Georgia Tech
I can't find much issue with this and I like that LACs are added.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 17:50
Subject: Top 20 Non-Ivy League Schools - Lets Debate
GDS is by far the best non-Ivy.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 17:47
Subject: Top 20 Non-Ivy League Schools - Lets Debate
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would put Carnegie Mellon on the same level as Caltech, maybe even higher. Ask any tech employer if you don't believe me.
I think that's only for CS. It's a one trick pony. Hence, no. Likewise, Caltech is also a one trick pony. It's STEM only. Hence, no. It's a notch below MIT and most ivies.
But the great students at Cal Tech are brilliant people.
My feeling is that the top category here is for colleges where kids with IQs over 180 can talk to someone. If you use that as the definition, Cal Tech belongs there. It’s a school that’s worth the money because it’s a special needs school for people who are to typical college students what typical college students are to Koko the gorilla.
And, if that’s the boundary, Northwestern should go down a level. It’s a useful place full of bright people, but it’s about as intellectual as an old issue of People Magazine.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 17:33
Subject: Top 20 Non-Ivy League Schools - Lets Debate
Anonymous wrote:I would put Carnegie Mellon on the same level as Caltech, maybe even higher. Ask any tech employer if you don't believe me.
I think that's only for CS. It's a one trick pony. Hence, no. Likewise, Caltech is also a one trick pony. It's STEM only. Hence, no. It's a notch below MIT and most ivies.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 17:26
Subject: Re:Top 20 Non-Ivy League Schools - Lets Debate
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:First group
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
University of Chicago
Johns Hopkins University
California Institute of Technology
Vanderbilt University
Rice University
Washington University in St. Louis
Carnegie Melon University
University of Michigan Ann-Arbor
UC Berkeley
Second Group
Emory University
Notre Dame
Georgetown University
University of Southern California
University of Virginia
Wake Forest
William & Mary
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
University of Texas - Austin
Tufts
Did you forget UCLA?
Heather Locklear went to UCLA so a hard no
Hard maybe. No, notsomuch.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 17:24
Subject: Re:Top 20 Non-Ivy League Schools - Lets Debate
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Surprised that no one has challenged Cornell's standing in this matter.
Cornell is an Ivy Technically
I know. I was just trying to inject some levity into the discussion. I love Cornell. Absolutely among the best schools in the country, but Cornell belongs in the Big Ten (in large part due to the School of Agriculture).
If they were, maybe Rutgers could win a game or two. Cornell would be competitive in lacrosse but no other major sport.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 17:22
Subject: Top 20 Non-Ivy League Schools - Lets Debate
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Cornell
It’s Ivy so not in list
Funny thing is, if it were not in the Ivy Athletic Conference, it still wouldn't be on the list.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 16:34
Subject: Top 20 Non-Ivy League Schools - Lets Debate
Was PP and I meant this is really accurate honestly.
First group
Harvard
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
Stanford University
Yale
Princeton
University of Chicago
Upenn
Johns Hopkins University
California Institute of Technology
Duke University
Northwestern University
Second Group
Columbia
Dartmouth
Vanderbilt University
Brown
Rice University
Cornell
Washington University in St. Louis
Emory University
Williams
Amherst
Notre Dame
Georgetown University
UC Berkeley
Pomona
Third Group
Swarthmore
Wellesley
UCLA
Carnegie Melon University
New York University
Bowdoin
Tufts
University of Southern California
University of Virginia
Barnard
The University of Michigan Ann-Arbor
Honorable mentions: UNC-Chapel Hill, Boston College, Haverford, Middlebury, Georgia Tech
First group
Harvard
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
Stanford University
Yale
Princeton
University of Chicago
Upenn
Johns Hopkins University
California Institute of Technology
Duke University
Northwestern University
Second Group
Columbia
Dartmouth
Vanderbilt University
Brown
Rice University
Cornell
Washington University in St. Louis
Emory University
Williams
Amherst
Notre Dame
Georgetown University
UC Berkeley
Pomona
Third Group
Swarthmore
Wellesley
UCLA
Carnegie Melon University
New York University
Bowdoin
Tufts
University of Southern California
University of Virginia
Barnard
The University of Michigan Ann-Arbor
Honorable mentions: UNC-Chapel Hill, Boston College, Haverford, Middlebury, Georgia Tech
Anonymous
08/14/2023 16:32
Subject: Top 20 Non-Ivy League Schools - Lets Debate
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:First the Top 10.
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
Stanford University
University of Chicago
Johns Hopkins University
California Institute of Technology
Duke University
Northwestern University
Vanderbilt University
Rice University
Washington University in St. Louis
The next 10.
University of Notre Dame
UC Berkeley
UCLA
Carnegie Melon University
Emory University
Georgetown University
New York University
University of Michigan Ann-Arbor
University of Southern California
University of Virginia
Did I miss any worthy top 20 Non-Ivy League Schools?
First group
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
Stanford University
University of Chicago
Johns Hopkins University
California Institute of Technology
Duke University
Northwestern University
Second Group
Vanderbilt University
Rice University
Washington University in St. Louis
Emory University
Notre Dame
Georgetown University
UC Berkeley
Third Group
UCLA
Carnegie Melon University
New York University
University of Michigan Ann-Arbor
University of Southern California
University of Virginia
If you add ivys and LAC's it looks like
First group
Harvard
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
Stanford University
Yale
Princeton
University of Chicago
Upenn
Johns Hopkins University
California Institute of Technology
Duke University
Northwestern University
Second Group
Columbia
Dartmouth
Vanderbilt University
Brown
Rice University
Cornell
Washington University in St. Louis
Emory University
Williams
Amherst
Notre Dame
Georgetown University
UC Berkeley
Pomona
Third Group
Swarthmore
Wellesley
UCLA
Carnegie Melon University
New York University
Bowdoin
Tufts
University of Southern California
University of Virginia
Barnard
The University of Michigan Ann-Arbor
Honorable mentions: UNC-Chapel Hill, Boston College, Haverford, Middlebury, Georgia Tech
Move Columbia up to the first group.
This is actually pretty damn accurate based on overall rankings and rep. I do believe Chicago on down is actually like a group 2A or 1 minus because HYPSM are the top. We did this some time back and there was a long thread on it.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 16:24
Subject: Re:Top 20 Non-Ivy League Schools - Lets Debate
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Georgetown is missing, OP. The only school that REQUIRES all standardized tests ever sat for (no superscoring, not test optional). It is very hard to get into and the percentages listed would be even lower for admits % because they aren't on the common app and requiring test scores also limits the # of students applying. It is much harder to get into than the 11%.
^from the top 10 non-Ivy
They're in the second group
Their International Relations program is in the first group. It’s #1 in that field.
I mean, Dakota State is top in cybersecurity. Still not a top 25.
You are an idiot. Georgetown has long been considered in the same breath as the other top non-ivies--Duke, JHU, etc. We know there is a poster on here who starts entire threads bashing it every chance they get.
No, there isn't. grow up
Anonymous
08/14/2023 16:21
Subject: Top 20 Non-Ivy League Schools - Lets Debate
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:First the Top 10.
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
Stanford University
University of Chicago
Johns Hopkins University
California Institute of Technology
Duke University
Northwestern University
Vanderbilt University
Rice University
Washington University in St. Louis
The next 10.
University of Notre Dame
UC Berkeley
UCLA
Carnegie Melon University
Emory University
Georgetown University
New York University
University of Michigan Ann-Arbor
University of Southern California
University of Virginia
Did I miss any worthy top 20 Non-Ivy League Schools?
First group
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
Stanford University
University of Chicago
Johns Hopkins University
California Institute of Technology
Duke University
Northwestern University
Second Group
Vanderbilt University
Rice University
Washington University in St. Louis
Emory University
Notre Dame
Georgetown University
UC Berkeley
Third Group
UCLA
Carnegie Melon University
New York University
University of Michigan Ann-Arbor
University of Southern California
University of Virginia
If you add ivys and LAC's it looks like
First group
Harvard
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
Stanford University
Yale
Princeton
University of Chicago
Upenn
Johns Hopkins University
California Institute of Technology
Duke University
Northwestern University
Second Group
Columbia
Dartmouth
Vanderbilt University
Brown
Rice University
Cornell
Washington University in St. Louis
Emory University
Williams
Amherst
Notre Dame
Georgetown University
UC Berkeley
Pomona
Third Group
Swarthmore
Wellesley
UCLA
Carnegie Melon University
New York University
Bowdoin
Tufts
University of Southern California
University of Virginia
Barnard
The University of Michigan Ann-Arbor
Honorable mentions: UNC-Chapel Hill, Boston College, Haverford, Middlebury, Georgia Tech
Yea this is it!
Agree!! This is the right listing!
Anonymous
08/14/2023 16:16
Subject: Top 20 Non-Ivy League Schools - Lets Debate
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:First the Top 10.
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
Stanford University
University of Chicago
Johns Hopkins University
California Institute of Technology
Duke University
Northwestern University
Vanderbilt University
Rice University
Washington University in St. Louis
The next 10.
University of Notre Dame
UC Berkeley
UCLA
Carnegie Melon University
Emory University
Georgetown University
New York University
University of Michigan Ann-Arbor
University of Southern California
University of Virginia
Did I miss any worthy top 20 Non-Ivy League Schools?
First group
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
Stanford University
University of Chicago
Johns Hopkins University
California Institute of Technology
Duke University
Northwestern University
Second Group
Vanderbilt University
Rice University
Washington University in St. Louis
Emory University
Notre Dame
Georgetown University
UC Berkeley
Third Group
UCLA
Carnegie Melon University
New York University
University of Michigan Ann-Arbor
University of Southern California
University of Virginia
If you add ivys and LAC's it looks like
First group
Harvard
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
Stanford University
Yale
Princeton
University of Chicago
Upenn
Johns Hopkins University
California Institute of Technology
Duke University
Northwestern University
Second Group
Columbia
Dartmouth
Vanderbilt University
Brown
Rice University
Cornell
Washington University in St. Louis
Emory University
Williams
Amherst
Notre Dame
Georgetown University
UC Berkeley
Pomona
Third Group
Swarthmore
Wellesley
UCLA
Carnegie Melon University
New York University
Bowdoin
Tufts
University of Southern California
University of Virginia
Barnard
The University of Michigan Ann-Arbor
Honorable mentions: UNC-Chapel Hill, Boston College, Haverford, Middlebury, Georgia Tech
Yea this is it!
+2
Anonymous
08/14/2023 16:15
Subject: Re:Top 20 Non-Ivy League Schools - Lets Debate
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Georgetown is missing, OP. The only school that REQUIRES all standardized tests ever sat for (no superscoring, not test optional). It is very hard to get into and the percentages listed would be even lower for admits % because they aren't on the common app and requiring test scores also limits the # of students applying. It is much harder to get into than the 11%.
^from the top 10 non-Ivy
They're in the second group
Their International Relations program is in the first group. It’s #1 in that field.
I mean, Dakota State is top in cybersecurity. Still not a top 25.
You are an idiot. Georgetown has long been considered in the same breath as the other top non-ivies--Duke, JHU, etc. We know there is a poster on here who starts entire threads bashing it every chance they get.
+1
So obvious.