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Anonymous wrote:It seems like slacking is the new cool. Even if you put in 40 hours, people don’t understand. Quiet quitting, lazy girl jobs, etc. are now all the rage. People want to count their commute in their 40 hours. People want to sabotage RTO by exaggerating time on in-office conversations, coffee breaks, etc.

Here’s what I don’t understand: all these people are getting paid, so why the bitterness? In fact, most people have received hefty pay increases that well exceed their personal inflation rate. Yet, they seem angry at their employer, their job, and their coworkers. It’s like they expect to be paid and to do nothing. Where did this expectation come from?

Many don't actually slack but want to give the impression they do more in less time. People were like ducks at Stanford and in Silicon Valley over the last decade. It looks like they're hardly working but beneath the surface they're actually going crazy.

Rest and vest was a thing.

And Adam Neumann partied most of the time

Resting and vesting after getting through a hiring process far more selective than Harvard or Stanford? It happened less than outsiders think, at the top tech companies anyway. Everyone took a year just to get over the imposter syndrome in my experience. That is a classic example of the SV duck where people talk about how little they did for all that stock $$. I was basically sipping my Big Gulp on the roof!
He partied and worked obsessively. Bankers share that stereotype with startup playboys.

If they say they slacked off I'm going to believe them. Some of those tech campuses seem designed for it. But like you said they're also highly intelligent people so they probably worked very productively in less time and maybe it felt easy for them. These type of people would be responsible remote workers because they could slack off at home an hour or two but still get all of their work done and do it well. The problem lies in the OP assuming that people on the office are actually working for all 40 hours which is just not true most of the time.

The problem actually lies with you, old man. Few people in tech have jobs like answering the phone or staffing an office that requires 40 hours of continuous work. Most jobs are project-based and no one is paying “40 hours” anymore like it’s 2010. It’s well-known that you’re being paid to get the work done. Some weeks that’s 30 hours and some it’s 50. Some it’s 15, and your boss doesn’t care if the work is done.

That literally doesn't contradict anything I said.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like slacking is the new cool. Even if you put in 40 hours, people don’t understand. Quiet quitting, lazy girl jobs, etc. are now all the rage. People want to count their commute in their 40 hours. People want to sabotage RTO by exaggerating time on in-office conversations, coffee breaks, etc.

Here’s what I don’t understand: all these people are getting paid, so why the bitterness? In fact, most people have received hefty pay increases that well exceed their personal inflation rate. Yet, they seem angry at their employer, their job, and their coworkers. It’s like they expect to be paid and to do nothing. Where did this expectation come from?

Many don't actually slack but want to give the impression they do more in less time. People were like ducks at Stanford and in Silicon Valley over the last decade. It looks like they're hardly working but beneath the surface they're actually going crazy.

Rest and vest was a thing.

And Adam Neumann partied most of the time

Resting and vesting after getting through a hiring process far more selective than Harvard or Stanford? It happened less than outsiders think, at the top tech companies anyway. Everyone took a year just to get over the imposter syndrome in my experience. That is a classic example of the SV duck where people talk about how little they did for all that stock $$. I was basically sipping my Big Gulp on the roof!
He partied and worked obsessively. Bankers share that stereotype with startup playboys.

If they say they slacked off I'm going to believe them. Some of those tech campuses seem designed for it. But like you said they're also highly intelligent people so they probably worked very productively in less time and maybe it felt easy for them. These type of people would be responsible remote workers because they could slack off at home an hour or two but still get all of their work done and do it well. The problem lies in the OP assuming that people on the office are actually working for all 40 hours which is just not true most of the time.

The problem actually lies with you, old man. Few people in tech have jobs like answering the phone or staffing an office that requires 40 hours of continuous work. Most jobs are project-based and no one is paying “40 hours” anymore like it’s 2010. It’s well-known that you’re being paid to get the work done. Some weeks that’s 30 hours and some it’s 50. Some it’s 15, and your boss doesn’t care if the work is done.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like slacking is the new cool. Even if you put in 40 hours, people don’t understand. Quiet quitting, lazy girl jobs, etc. are now all the rage. People want to count their commute in their 40 hours. People want to sabotage RTO by exaggerating time on in-office conversations, coffee breaks, etc.

Here’s what I don’t understand: all these people are getting paid, so why the bitterness? In fact, most people have received hefty pay increases that well exceed their personal inflation rate. Yet, they seem angry at their employer, their job, and their coworkers. It’s like they expect to be paid and to do nothing. Where did this expectation come from?

Many don't actually slack but want to give the impression they do more in less time. People were like ducks at Stanford and in Silicon Valley over the last decade. It looks like they're hardly working but beneath the surface they're actually going crazy.

Rest and vest was a thing.

And Adam Neumann partied most of the time

Resting and vesting after getting through a hiring process far more selective than Harvard or Stanford? It happened less than outsiders think, at the top tech companies anyway. Everyone took a year just to get over the imposter syndrome in my experience. That is a classic example of the SV duck where people talk about how little they did for all that stock $$. I was basically sipping my Big Gulp on the roof!
He partied and worked obsessively. Bankers share that stereotype with startup playboys.

If they say they slacked off I'm going to believe them. Some of those tech campuses seem designed for it. But like you said they're also highly intelligent people so they probably worked very productively in less time and maybe it felt easy for them. These type of people would be responsible remote workers because they could slack off at home an hour or two but still get all of their work done and do it well. The problem lies in the OP assuming that people on the office are actually working for all 40 hours which is just not true most of the time.

Anonymous wrote:Because with a college degree I’m getting paid almost the exact same amount my dad was getting paid in 1995 as a laborer. And he was able to support our family and stay at home mom in a small but nice house on it, while I will be lucky to own a home before I’m 40.

It used to be that working hard easily led to a comfortable life. It’s not the case anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:There have always been slackers. It’s easy to do when you are in your 20s with few responsibilities or are otherwise unencumbered.

Think bohemians. Hippies. Etc etc.

Then biology takes over and you want to procreate and then you step it up with work.

You could not be more wrong. Most people in their twenties have grown up in an era of surveillance. Keystroke loggers and algorithms to measure productivity and rubrics and metrics. Hard to get away with much. It is you old folks who get away with slacking.

But the problem with all the metrics is if people find out what the specific minimum is that you have to do to not get fired or get promoted or whatever then that becomes the standard. If you must respond to emails within 24 hours then that means you don’t have to reply immediately, etc.

Not at professional jobs, snookums. Sorry you got undereducated and work in an Amazon warehouse

Some engineers working for DoT have surveillance software on their gov't laptops, logging all kinds of productivity metrics. Of this I am 100% certain.

Are engineers "professional" in your estimation, Hunny Bunny?

This small cohort, DoT engineers, cannot be the only one in America subjected to productivity surveillance. I'm also familiar with a telehealth NP -- employed for a VERY large company you all know -- who is watched by the corporation. Is her 6 years of higher ed "professional" enough for you, Cupcake?

Nope, precious. Your claims are unsupported by evidence and spurious, love. You sound paranoid.

DP but there have been slackers at every single job that I have had since high school. It’s not a media conspiracy that they exist. They genuinely feel entitled to get paid to do nothing. They are revolting.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like slacking is the new cool. Even if you put in 40 hours, people don’t understand. Quiet quitting, lazy girl jobs, etc. are now all the rage. People want to count their commute in their 40 hours. People want to sabotage RTO by exaggerating time on in-office conversations, coffee breaks, etc.

Here’s what I don’t understand: all these people are getting paid, so why the bitterness? In fact, most people have received hefty pay increases that well exceed their personal inflation rate. Yet, they seem angry at their employer, their job, and their coworkers. It’s like they expect to be paid and to do nothing. Where did this expectation come from?

Seems like it how? How are you concluding this?

Did you read OP’s first paragraph? Everything listed there is either a news headline or repeated endlessly in DCUM WFH threads.

Yeah, it’s in news stories and threads complaining about supposed slackers, mostly without evidence. The most those articles do is cherry pick TikTok videos and claim they prove a trend.

There have always been slackers.

In my lifetime, the pace of work sped up and there became the expectation of instant responses and quick turnaround. People are worn out yet they keep going and meeting these goals, IMO.

Commuting is a killer. We have to do it but it's onerous and yes, you can make it acceptable by listening to books or whatever but its still an onerous task.

WFH was a reset for people. They asked questions about life (we all changed some habits long-term) and work was one of the things examined and questioned.

People work hard and work smart and don't always achieve their goals and then have to recalibrate their expectations. That may be what you are observing.

There isn't room for everyone at the top or to be highly compensated. It happened to me and I am not alone. I did well, but not as well as I expected to.

Work is not everything. There were times where I loved it, escaped into it, veered into workaholism.

Retired now and did so because of examination during WFH.

I think thinking about our assumptions and questioning them is healthy.

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Anonymous wrote:What is up with all these bootlickers raging vs how the younger generations want a greater work life balance?

I guess we should walk in two feet of snow, too…because if you had it bad, we need to have it bad as well.

This is weak and pathetic. Have some personal integrity.

Are you the poster who keepstrying to compensate for cut rate salaries with "fancy holiday parties" and employee bday parties?

Employers aren't busting their butts so you can get rich. People put in the work they get paid for. Pay more, get better people.

I think your assumptions about compensation increasing are incorrect. If you look at the labor share metric it has been declining for decades although more steeply since 2000.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like slacking is the new cool. Even if you put in 40 hours, people don’t understand. Quiet quitting, lazy girl jobs, etc. are now all the rage. People want to count their commute in their 40 hours. People want to sabotage RTO by exaggerating time on in-office conversations, coffee breaks, etc.

Here’s what I don’t understand: all these people are getting paid, so why the bitterness? In fact, most people have received hefty pay increases that well exceed their personal inflation rate. Yet, they seem angry at their employer, their job, and their coworkers. It’s like they expect to be paid and to do nothing. Where did this expectation come from?

Seems like it how? How are you concluding this?

Did you read OP’s first paragraph? Everything listed there is either a news headline or repeated endlessly in DCUM WFH threads.

Anonymous wrote:It seems like slacking is the new cool. Even if you put in 40 hours, people don’t understand. Quiet quitting, lazy girl jobs, etc. are now all the rage. People want to count their commute in their 40 hours. People want to sabotage RTO by exaggerating time on in-office conversations, coffee breaks, etc.

Here’s what I don’t understand: all these people are getting paid, so why the bitterness? In fact, most people have received hefty pay increases that well exceed their personal inflation rate. Yet, they seem angry at their employer, their job, and their coworkers. It’s like they expect to be paid and to do nothing. Where did this expectation come from?

Seems like it how? How are you concluding this?

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like slacking is the new cool. Even if you put in 40 hours, people don’t understand. Quiet quitting, lazy girl jobs, etc. are now all the rage. People want to count their commute in their 40 hours. People want to sabotage RTO by exaggerating time on in-office conversations, coffee breaks, etc.

Here’s what I don’t understand: all these people are getting paid, so why the bitterness? In fact, most people have received hefty pay increases that well exceed their personal inflation rate. Yet, they seem angry at their employer, their job, and their coworkers. It’s like they expect to be paid and to do nothing. Where did this expectation come from?

Many don't actually slack but want to give the impression they do more in less time. People were like ducks at Stanford and in Silicon Valley over the last decade. It looks like they're hardly working but beneath the surface they're actually going crazy.

Rest and vest was a thing.

And Adam Neumann partied most of the time

Resting and vesting after getting through a hiring process far more selective than Harvard or Stanford? It happened less than outsiders think, at the top tech companies anyway. Everyone took a year just to get over the imposter syndrome in my experience. That is a classic example of the SV duck where people talk about how little they did for all that stock $$. I was basically sipping my Big Gulp on the roof!
He partied and worked obsessively. Bankers share that stereotype with startup playboys.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like slacking is the new cool. Even if you put in 40 hours, people don’t understand. Quiet quitting, lazy girl jobs, etc. are now all the rage. People want to count their commute in their 40 hours. People want to sabotage RTO by exaggerating time on in-office conversations, coffee breaks, etc.

Here’s what I don’t understand: all these people are getting paid, so why the bitterness? In fact, most people have received hefty pay increases that well exceed their personal inflation rate. Yet, they seem angry at their employer, their job, and their coworkers. It’s like they expect to be paid and to do nothing. Where did this expectation come from?

Many don't actually slack but want to give the impression they do more in less time. People were like ducks at Stanford and in Silicon Valley over the last decade. It looks like they're hardly working but beneath the surface they're actually going crazy.

Rest and vest was a thing.

And Adam Neumann partied most of the time

Anonymous wrote:It seems like slacking is the new cool. Even if you put in 40 hours, people don’t understand. Quiet quitting, lazy girl jobs, etc. are now all the rage. People want to count their commute in their 40 hours. People want to sabotage RTO by exaggerating time on in-office conversations, coffee breaks, etc.

Here’s what I don’t understand: all these people are getting paid, so why the bitterness? In fact, most people have received hefty pay increases that well exceed their personal inflation rate. Yet, they seem angry at their employer, their job, and their coworkers. It’s like they expect to be paid and to do nothing. Where did this expectation come from?

Many don't actually slack but want to give the impression they do more in less time. People were like ducks at Stanford and in Silicon Valley over the last decade. It looks like they're hardly working but beneath the surface they're actually going crazy.