Anonymous wrote:Ugliest car ever. Is it just a flex or does anyone like them?

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Anonymous wrote:Just another incredibly stupid, massively oversized vehicle that is killing the planet, killing people, causing traffic, and drives terribly. Really, really stupid car, and you a premium to drive that craptacular POS.

Might be true if just driving one or two people to the store, but most huge SUVs are hauling a lot of folks or animals or both. Otherwise would need multiple vehicles.

That’s such a stupid myth. 99% of the idiots driving these massively stupid cars go to the grocery store and target between their soccer practices and going to their office jobs. The car industry sells propaganda to idiot Americans to convince them they need these ridiculously stupid vehicles because the profit margins are better. That’s because they’re exempt from regulations and additional safety testing since they’re classified as ‘light trucks’. A portion of these are sold to idiots in the burbs who drive them all around cities and take up way more space than is needed. A minivan or a station wagon is way, way more practical if you need to haul stuff or a family anyway.

..and you don't think a minivan is not as large? Go and check one out and report back the size, weight, and MPG. You sound like a miserable, unhappy, spiteful soul. BTW, I don't own an SUV, minivan either. I believe life is about choices and people can spend as they wish....

Jesus you're stupid. The specs on a minivan are way different than a dumb SUV. For starters, look up the ground clearance and bumper height. Minivans are way more practical for hauling a stuff + a family and are safer. You can actually see the damn road a pedestrians walking in front of you while driving a minivan. Meanwhile, stupidly sized SUVs are classified as light trucks (why the auto industry loves them because they can skirt safety regs), thefore often have way higher bumper heights that make them stupid for driving with terrible visibility.

No you’re stupid. You can’t haul shit in a minivan. Look at their max payload and at their towing. Now gtfo. Minivans suck.

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Anonymous wrote:Just another incredibly stupid, massively oversized vehicle that is killing the planet, killing people, causing traffic, and drives terribly. Really, really stupid car, and you a premium to drive that craptacular POS.

Might be true if just driving one or two people to the store, but most huge SUVs are hauling a lot of folks or animals or both. Otherwise would need multiple vehicles.

That’s such a stupid myth. 99% of the idiots driving these massively stupid cars go to the grocery store and target between their soccer practices and going to their office jobs. The car industry sells propaganda to idiot Americans to convince them they need these ridiculously stupid vehicles because the profit margins are better. That’s because they’re exempt from regulations and additional safety testing since they’re classified as ‘light trucks’. A portion of these are sold to idiots in the burbs who drive them all around cities and take up way more space than is needed. A minivan or a station wagon is way, way more practical if you need to haul stuff or a family anyway.

..and you don't think a minivan is not as large? Go and check one out and report back the size, weight, and MPG. You sound like a miserable, unhappy, spiteful soul. BTW, I don't own an SUV, minivan either. I believe life is about choices and people can spend as they wish....

Jesus you're stupid. The specs on a minivan are way different than a dumb SUV. For starters, look up the ground clearance and bumper height. Minivans are way more practical for hauling a stuff + a family and are safer. You can actually see the damn road a pedestrians walking in front of you while driving a minivan. Meanwhile, stupidly sized SUVs are classified as light trucks (why the auto industry loves them because they can skirt safety regs), thefore often have way higher bumper heights that make them stupid for driving with terrible visibility.

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Anonymous wrote:Man, people are really worked up over other folks car choices. Who cares?

Because other peoples' idiotic choices unnecessarily kill people, destroy the environment, and cause stupid amounts of traffic and congestion.

Anonymous wrote:Man, people are really worked up over other folks car choices. Who cares?

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Anonymous wrote:Just another incredibly stupid, massively oversized vehicle that is killing the planet, killing people, causing traffic, and drives terribly. Really, really stupid car, and you a premium to drive that craptacular POS.

Might be true if just driving one or two people to the store, but most huge SUVs are hauling a lot of folks or animals or both. Otherwise would need multiple vehicles.

That’s such a stupid myth. 99% of the idiots driving these massively stupid cars go to the grocery store and target between their soccer practices and going to their office jobs. The car industry sells propaganda to idiot Americans to convince them they need these ridiculously stupid vehicles because the profit margins are better. That’s because they’re exempt from regulations and additional safety testing since they’re classified as ‘light trucks’. A portion of these are sold to idiots in the burbs who drive them all around cities and take up way more space than is needed. A minivan or a station wagon is way, way more practical if you need to haul stuff or a family anyway.

..and you don't think a minivan is not as large? Go and check one out and report back the size, weight, and MPG. You sound like a miserable, unhappy, spiteful soul. BTW, I don't own an SUV, minivan either. I believe life is about choices and people can spend as they wish....

Jesus you're stupid. The specs on a minivan are way different than a dumb SUV. For starters, look up the ground clearance and bumper height. Minivans are way more practical for hauling a stuff + a family and are safer. You can actually see the damn road an pedestrians walking in front of you while driving a minivan. Meanwhile, stupidly sized SUVs are classified as light trucks (why the auto industry loves them because they can skirt safety regs), thefore often have way higher bumper heights that make them stupid for driving with terrible visibility.

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a great video about why SUVs are awful and why they are also everywhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruEo

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Anonymous wrote:Just another incredibly stupid, massively oversized vehicle that is killing the planet, killing people, causing traffic, and drives terribly. Really, really stupid car, and you a premium to drive that craptacular POS.

Might be true if just driving one or two people to the store, but most huge SUVs are hauling a lot of folks or animals or both. Otherwise would need multiple vehicles.

That’s such a stupid myth. 99% of the idiots driving these massively stupid cars go to the grocery store and target between their soccer practices and going to their office jobs. The car industry sells propaganda to idiot Americans to convince them they need these ridiculously stupid vehicles because the profit margins are better. That’s because they’re exempt from regulations and additional safety testing since they’re classified as ‘light trucks’. A portion of these are sold to idiots in the burbs who drive them all around cities and take up way more space than is needed. A minivan or a station wagon is way, way more practical if you need to haul stuff or a family anyway.

..and you don't think a minivan is not as large? Go and check one out and report back the size, weight, and MPG. You sound like a miserable, unhappy, spiteful soul. BTW, I don't own an SUV, minivan either. I believe life is about choices and people can spend as they wish....

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Anonymous wrote:Just another incredibly stupid, massively oversized vehicle that is killing the planet, killing people, causing traffic, and drives terribly. Really, really stupid car, and you a premium to drive that craptacular POS.

Might be true if just driving one or two people to the store, but most huge SUVs are hauling a lot of folks or animals or both. Otherwise would need multiple vehicles.

That’s such a stupid myth. 99% of the idiots driving these massively stupid cars go to the grocery store and target between their soccer practices and going to their office jobs. The car industry sells propaganda to idiot Americans to convince them they need these ridiculously stupid vehicles because the profit margins are better. That’s because they’re exempt from regulations and additional safety testing since they’re classified as ‘light trucks’. A portion of these are sold to idiots in the burbs who drive them all around cities and take up way more space than is needed. A minivan or a station wagon is way, way more practical if you need to haul stuff or a family anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a tax dodge for small biz owners. They get to write off 80% of vehicle price in year 1 against their income.

https://www.jeep.com/wagoneer/section-179-deduction.html

Its this!
The Section 179 tax deduction allows eligible businesses to deduct the cost of machinery and qualifying equipment when filing their taxes. This could be office furniture, technology, supplies, and other tangible items. This includes vehicles. And HEAVY vehicles get a better write off.

Any vehicle with at least 6,000 pounds GVWR but no more than 14,000 pounds (3-7 tons).
This includes many full-size SUVs, commercial vans, and pickup trucks.
For 2023, a vehicle qualifying in the “heavy” category has a Section 179 tax deduction limit of $28,900. However, these autos are eligible for 100% bonus depreciation through the end of 2022. Starting in 2023, the allowable bonus depreciation percentage will decrease to 80%.

But there are still better "heavy SUV's" so not sure why people are choosing Wagoners.

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Anonymous wrote:Just another incredibly stupid, massively oversized vehicle that is killing the planet, killing people, causing traffic, and drives terribly. Really, really stupid car, and you a premium to drive that craptacular POS.

Might be true if just driving one or two people to the store, but most huge SUVs are hauling a lot of folks or animals or both. Otherwise would need multiple vehicles.

That’s such a stupid myth. 99% of the idiots driving these massively stupid cars go to the grocery store and target between their soccer practices and going to their office jobs. The car industry sells propaganda to idiot Americans to convince them they need these ridiculously stupid vehicles because the profit margins are better. That’s because they’re exempt from regulations and additional safety testing since they’re classified as ‘light trucks’. A portion of these are sold to idiots in the burbs who drive them all around cities and take up way more space than is needed. A minivan or a station wagon is way, way more practical if you need to haul stuff or a family anyway.

+1, all the big families I know just get mini vans. Loading little kids into a suburban or similar is actually a pain. I also know people who often have to drive large groups (i.e. church groups) and they get regular vans (not mini) -- they would never get SUVs, which are hard for older people with mobility issues to climb in and out of. Station wagons are great for smaller families and lots of service people -- a friend of mine runs an in-home care company and they have a bunch of Subaru Imprezas for their staff that are perfect for transporting gear for home visits. Contractors, construction workers, others who have to tow a lot of tools and gear are better off with an actual truck.

SUVs, but especially the big ones like the Wagoneer, exist for a customer who simply wants to occupy more space. They want a mobile living room, complete with TVs, and to sit above everyone else on the road and to feel impervious. It has nothing to do with practicality or needing a large vehicle to transport people. It's all selfish desires.

Yeah, but minivans suck.

Agree.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a grand wagoneer and love it.

Feel free to stop me and tell me how stupid I am.

What do you love about it vs a Mercedes GLS, bmw x7, even a Range Rover?

Isn't Wagoneer in a different size class than all of these?

It's competing with Suburban, Tahoe, Escalade, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Just another incredibly stupid, massively oversized vehicle that is killing the planet, killing people, causing traffic, and drives terribly. Really, really stupid car, and you a premium to drive that craptacular POS.

Might be true if just driving one or two people to the store, but most huge SUVs are hauling a lot of folks or animals or both. Otherwise would need multiple vehicles.

That’s such a stupid myth. 99% of the idiots driving these massively stupid cars go to the grocery store and target between their soccer practices and going to their office jobs. The car industry sells propaganda to idiot Americans to convince them they need these ridiculously stupid vehicles because the profit margins are better. That’s because they’re exempt from regulations and additional safety testing since they’re classified as ‘light trucks’. A portion of these are sold to idiots in the burbs who drive them all around cities and take up way more space than is needed. A minivan or a station wagon is way, way more practical if you need to haul stuff or a family anyway.

+1, all the big families I know just get mini vans. Loading little kids into a suburban or similar is actually a pain. I also know people who often have to drive large groups (i.e. church groups) and they get regular vans (not mini) -- they would never get SUVs, which are hard for older people with mobility issues to climb in and out of. Station wagons are great for smaller families and lots of service people -- a friend of mine runs an in-home care company and they have a bunch of Subaru Imprezas for their staff that are perfect for transporting gear for home visits. Contractors, construction workers, others who have to tow a lot of tools and gear are better off with an actual truck.

SUVs, but especially the big ones like the Wagoneer, exist for a customer who simply wants to occupy more space. They want a mobile living room, complete with TVs, and to sit above everyone else on the road and to feel impervious. It has nothing to do with practicality or needing a large vehicle to transport people. It's all selfish desires.

Yeah, but minivans suck.