These pissing matches are pointless. It's not like back to work policies are made based on DCUM posts. If I may sum up each side,

WFH folks: We are fine, we are more productive, we don't need to see your ugly face in person to get the job done. Your "needs" to see others is not my problem.

Back to work folks: You are lazy, we know you are not doing work, you are cheating your employer, you are more productive in the office (you just don't know it).

Or some variation of above insults.

Surveys consistently show workers expect remote work. So long as unemployment is 3.5% (thanks, Biden!) and there is a race for a talent, remote work isn’t going away in many professions.

Because they aren’t let go. And lazy people make my job difficult.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t get why people care if others want to wfh. Are you jealous bc you want the choice to? Are you lonely at the office? I just…. Who cares what other people want to do? I don’t care if people want to go into an office - cool, let them. If people suck at their job presumably they will get let go so… what’s the problem? Let people do what works for them.

wfh is great for the people doing it. It is a nightmare for co-workers and for the entity itself.

This histrionic hyperbole has is unsupported by facts.

The short answer is some people are unproductive because they worry about what other people are doing more than worrying about themselves. It’s the same mindset conservatives have worrying that the blacks might get welfare. People who think this way generally are weak minded, reactionary, overly emotional and incapable of thinking strategically.

You are showing how you really are by bringing "blacks" into this

I guess you don’t understand that I am using their vocabulary

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Anonymous wrote:I hate zooming from my office, or from home, if it’s most of the work day. I much prefer working in person with humans. At least for me, the work gets done quicker and better, and l feel better and have better morale. It doesn’t have to be every day, but l do much better mentally with in person work as long as some of my colleagues are also there, so the days in need to be synchronized.

See, there’s the distinction. I don’t Zoom all day with people in my office. I Zoom with people in CA, OK, WA, AL, etc. Why on earth would I go to the office to do that?

Exactly this. My spouse has communication with people all over the world so he has to be flexible with his work hours. When he goes into the office, he refuses any after hour calls, etc. as at some point enough is enough with an hour commute or more each way. He can do 10 hours with flexibility at home or 8 in the office. Ironically, his boss never goes into the office but requests others go twice a week.

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Anonymous wrote:These threads are so pointless. Someone asks why people don’t like wfh and if anyone is brave enough to say why they prefer in person work they are criticized and picked apart by the wfh mob. I look forward to having a mandate for more in office time and an end to the constant whining from the people who want temporary pandemic flexibilities to be permanent.

Nobody cares if you prefer in person work. They care if you insist that everyone else upends their life to suit your preferences.

They they want to work in person, that's great and let them do that but if others want to WFH, and their job can accommodate it, they shouldn't be forced in because others like it.

The real push for return to office, is the space - those buildings need to be filled and many local businesses are dependent on the works who go to them - restaurants, etc. And, all those things mean more tax money. And, things like commutes and metro/bus are also supporting the government expenses. Let's be real, its about money, not productivity or people.

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Anonymous wrote:These threads are so pointless. Someone asks why people don’t like wfh and if anyone is brave enough to say why they prefer in person work they are criticized and picked apart by the wfh mob. I look forward to having a mandate for more in office time and an end to the constant whining from the people who want temporary pandemic flexibilities to be permanent.

Nobody cares if you prefer in person work. They care if you insist that everyone else upends their life to suit your preferences.

Luckily for all of us my office’s telework policies aren’t determined by the comments on this board and it doesn’t matter how much we all resent our peers, leadership will make a call on return to the office.

Anonymous wrote:I hate zooming from my office, or from home, if it’s most of the work day. I much prefer working in person with humans. At least for me, the work gets done quicker and better, and l feel better and have better morale. It doesn’t have to be every day, but l do much better mentally with in person work as long as some of my colleagues are also there, so the days in need to be synchronized.

See, there’s the distinction. I don’t Zoom all day with people in my office. I Zoom with people in CA, OK, WA, AL, etc. Why on earth would I go to the office to do that?

Anonymous wrote:These threads are so pointless. Someone asks why people don’t like wfh and if anyone is brave enough to say why they prefer in person work they are criticized and picked apart by the wfh mob. I look forward to having a mandate for more in office time and an end to the constant whining from the people who want temporary pandemic flexibilities to be permanent.

Nobody cares if you prefer in person work. They care if you insist that everyone else upends their life to suit your preferences.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t get why people care if others want to wfh. Are you jealous bc you want the choice to? Are you lonely at the office? I just…. Who cares what other people want to do? I don’t care if people want to go into an office - cool, let them. If people suck at their job presumably they will get let go so… what’s the problem? Let people do what works for them.

wfh is great for the people doing it. It is a nightmare for co-workers and for the entity itself.

This histrionic hyperbole has is unsupported by facts.

The short answer is some people are unproductive because they worry about what other people are doing more than worrying about themselves. It’s the same mindset conservatives have worrying that the blacks might get welfare. People who think this way generally are weak minded, reactionary, overly emotional and incapable of thinking strategically.

You are showing how you really are by bringing "blacks" into this

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Anonymous wrote:I don't care at all, but I think one should take a paycut. Generally, I think anyone who has a job that requires one to work in person, should be paid considerably more. From the grocery restocker to yard work people to teachers to construction crew to janitors to nurses.

100%. I love for people who can work from home to stay home! It means I can get to/from work without insane traffic. But, there should absolutely be a premium for people who don’t have the option. Though I do wish WFH people would stay off the roads from 4-6. If you don’t have to drive at rush hour, please don’t!

Why should someone get paid more based on their location of home versus the office? I’m being serious. If anything, the worker from home should get paid more since their home is being used as office space.

Nope. You have less mileage and less wear and tear on the car, and you would be living where you live anyway. The one who has the hardship is the one who has to commute and has to take that time away from their family. Nice try, however.

Anonymous wrote:It’s not jealousy, but fairness. Everyone knows that WFH employees - on average - shirk more than their in-office peers, yet they are paid the same. In-office workers should not receive a raise to work there, but WFH folks should be paid less to WFH, at least 25% less based on their lack of commuting, dry cleaning, aftercare, etc. and lower productivity. I know some WFH loon will go crazy about these comments, but this is what’s on everyone’s mind.

Corporate real estate is expensive. Why should employees WFH have to subsidize someone who needs to travel to do their job from a laptop?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't care at all, but I think one should take a paycut. Generally, I think anyone who has a job that requires one to work in person, should be paid considerably more. From the grocery restocker to yard work people to teachers to construction crew to janitors to nurses.

100%. I love for people who can work from home to stay home! It means I can get to/from work without insane traffic. But, there should absolutely be a premium for people who don’t have the option. Though I do wish WFH people would stay off the roads from 4-6. If you don’t have to drive at rush hour, please don’t!

Why should someone get paid more based on their location of home versus the office? I’m being serious. If anything, the worker from home should get paid more since their home is being used as office space.

The office was so much less productive. Pointless meetings. Gossip. Long lunches, long commutes. Slackers slack. Producers produce. Be a good manager and make sure you and your staff are producing. That is it.

Anonymous wrote:I’m afraid to answer this question because the wfh crazies will attack me for being a loser, being selfish, ruining things for everyone, and on and on. Unfortunately the climate on this board won’t allow an open discussion on this topic.

It's a ANONYMOUS board. Do you think they are going to come burn laptops on your lawn?