Anonymous
07/28/2023 08:59
Subject: My husband believes we seriously live in a matriarchy
A SAHD is seen like a martyr sacrificing his life at family's alter but a SAHM is mocked for not doing enough in life. If this is a matriarchal world then it needs improvement.
Anonymous
07/28/2023 08:55
Subject: My husband believes we seriously live in a matriarchy
Women, people of color and people of non heterosexual orientation are treated equally so it feels like a matriarchal world to straight white males. They've been superior for too long so it's difficult but eventually they'll get used to equality.
Anonymous
07/28/2023 08:52
Subject: My husband believes we seriously live in a matriarchy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My husband too! Any time I point out discrimination against women, he immediately counters with how oppressed white men are these days, and how the tables have turned against him.
My husband too!! When did white men be oppressed? I thought they were the oppressors?
In what way? I’m trying to understand how woman are paid 83.1% of what men are paid (per 2021 numbers), don’t have rights over their own reproductive system in at least a third of the states (as of 2023), are 10% of Fortune 500 CEOs (as of 2023) , dropped out of the workforce more when COVID hit due to family responsibilities AND still handle most of the household tasks even when working full time per every survey I’ve seen. How can white men be the most oppressed and still on top by every metric or is this a “compared to 1950 when it was okay that women made 60% of what men made …”.
My favorite is the “oh you can’t say anything without …” and yet do you think people in the past didn’t have to hold their tongue against true injustice to keep their jobs or even their lives? My parents definitely had to in order to stay employed.
Women earn less because they, by choice, select careers and jobs that pay less. Typically because they are less unpleasant and more flexible jobs.
This has been asked and answered in DOL studies since as early as the Clinton era.
Women earn less because they do the bulk of the unpaid labor that needs to be done.
They are paid roughly equally before having children.
Anonymous
07/28/2023 08:39
Subject: My husband believes we seriously live in a matriarchy
I think the original pp likely failed to cut apron strings with Mama. (Mama was likely domineering - and he was compliant). His view is warped. Might now work in an office that is very DEI - so optics distorted even more. (Watches TV and it’s all girrrrrrl power). Started for him with original sin - mom ‘married’ him. This is the undiagnosed crisis for a lot of men. As women gain more real power this will change.
Anonymous
07/28/2023 08:04
Subject: My husband believes we seriously live in a matriarchy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My husband too! Any time I point out discrimination against women, he immediately counters with how oppressed white men are these days, and how the tables have turned against him.
My husband too!! When did white men become oppressed? I thought they were the oppressors?
In what way? I’m trying to understand how woman are paid 83.1% of what men are paid (per 2021 numbers), don’t have rights over their own reproductive system in at least a third of the states (as of 2023), are 10% of Fortune 500 CEOs (as of 2023) , dropped out of the workforce more when COVID hit due to family responsibilities AND still handle most of the household tasks even when working full time per every survey I’ve seen. How can white men be the most oppressed and still on top by every metric or is this a “compared to 1950 when it was okay that women made 60% of what men made …”.
My favorite is the “oh you can’t say anything without …” and yet do you think people in the past didn’t have to hold their tongue against true injustice to keep their jobs or even their lives? My parents definitely had to in order to stay employed.
Women earn less because they, by choice, select careers and jobs that pay less. Typically because they are less unpleasant and more flexible jobs.
This has been asked and answered in DOL studies since as early as the Clinton era.
Yeah, but that's not a good talking point.
Except on Fox News!
Anonymous
07/28/2023 01:41
Subject: My husband believes we seriously live in a matriarchy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My husband too! Any time I point out discrimination against women, he immediately counters with how oppressed white men are these days, and how the tables have turned against him.
My husband too!! When did white men become oppressed? I thought they were the oppressors?
In what way? I’m trying to understand how woman are paid 83.1% of what men are paid (per 2021 numbers), don’t have rights over their own reproductive system in at least a third of the states (as of 2023), are 10% of Fortune 500 CEOs (as of 2023) , dropped out of the workforce more when COVID hit due to family responsibilities AND still handle most of the household tasks even when working full time per every survey I’ve seen. How can white men be the most oppressed and still on top by every metric or is this a “compared to 1950 when it was okay that women made 60% of what men made …”.
My favorite is the “oh you can’t say anything without …” and yet do you think people in the past didn’t have to hold their tongue against true injustice to keep their jobs or even their lives? My parents definitely had to in order to stay employed.
Women earn less because they, by choice, select careers and jobs that pay less. Typically because they are less unpleasant and more flexible jobs.
This has been asked and answered in DOL studies since as early as the Clinton era.
The careers that pay less do so because they’re traditionally considered “women’s work” and women weren’t the ones who supported the family. Nursing, teaching, child care, social work. How are those easier? Even if women choose flexible jobs, why do they do that? Because they’re also expected to be the primary parent.
We need someone to mansplain economics and supply and demand to this dim PP.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 22:24
Subject: My husband believes we seriously live in a matriarchy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My husband too! Any time I point out discrimination against women, he immediately counters with how oppressed white men are these days, and how the tables have turned against him.
My husband too!! When did white men become oppressed? I thought they were the oppressors?
In what way? I’m trying to understand how woman are paid 83.1% of what men are paid (per 2021 numbers), don’t have rights over their own reproductive system in at least a third of the states (as of 2023), are 10% of Fortune 500 CEOs (as of 2023) , dropped out of the workforce more when COVID hit due to family responsibilities AND still handle most of the household tasks even when working full time per every survey I’ve seen. How can white men be the most oppressed and still on top by every metric or is this a “compared to 1950 when it was okay that women made 60% of what men made …”.
My favorite is the “oh you can’t say anything without …” and yet do you think people in the past didn’t have to hold their tongue against true injustice to keep their jobs or even their lives? My parents definitely had to in order to stay employed.
Women earn less because they, by choice, select careers and jobs that pay less. Typically because they are less unpleasant and more flexible jobs.
This has been asked and answered in DOL studies since as early as the Clinton era.
The careers that pay less do so because they’re traditionally considered “women’s work” and women weren’t the ones who supported the family. Nursing, teaching, child care, social work. How are those easier? Even if women choose flexible jobs, why do they do that? Because they’re also expected to be the primary parent.
Pay isn’t based on difficulty. It’s based on the amount of money the labor makes and the perceived value by the one signing the pay checks.
Roofers work really hard, but they’re not paid very much. Same with landscapers.
On the other hand, lobbyists are paid very well.
It’s not about “traditional gender roles” at all. We just don’t value “hard work” we value ROI, and usually roi measured in the quarter or year… not even long term.
People in Haiti cut sugar cane in blazing heat for a dollar an hour or less and I get paid $500k for reading boring documents 40-45 hours a week while sipping iced lattes in an air conditioned office.
And mbappe is going to get a billion dollars for kicking a ball.
Pay is about market value of the product or service produced not the effort expended.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 21:42
Subject: Re:My husband believes we seriously live in a matriarchy
Has there ever even been a real matriarchy?
Anonymous
07/27/2023 21:26
Subject: My husband believes we seriously live in a matriarchy
Anonymous wrote:Go send him to watch the Barbie movie. Barbie World = matriarchy. The real world is so obviously a complete patriarchy.
Indeed! He is glad lighting you OP.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 21:22
Subject: My husband believes we seriously live in a matriarchy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My husband too! Any time I point out discrimination against women, he immediately counters with how oppressed white men are these days, and how the tables have turned against him.
My husband too!! When did white men become oppressed? I thought they were the oppressors?
In what way? I’m trying to understand how woman are paid 83.1% of what men are paid (per 2021 numbers), don’t have rights over their own reproductive system in at least a third of the states (as of 2023), are 10% of Fortune 500 CEOs (as of 2023) , dropped out of the workforce more when COVID hit due to family responsibilities AND still handle most of the household tasks even when working full time per every survey I’ve seen. How can white men be the most oppressed and still on top by every metric or is this a “compared to 1950 when it was okay that women made 60% of what men made …”.
My favorite is the “oh you can’t say anything without …” and yet do you think people in the past didn’t have to hold their tongue against true injustice to keep their jobs or even their lives? My parents definitely had to in order to stay employed.
Women earn less because they, by choice, select careers and jobs that pay less. Typically because they are less unpleasant and more flexible jobs.
This has been asked and answered in DOL studies since as early as the Clinton era.
The careers that pay less do so because they’re traditionally considered “women’s work” and women weren’t the ones who supported the family. Nursing, teaching, child care, social work. How are those easier? Even if women choose flexible jobs, why do they do that? Because they’re also expected to be the primary parent.
Pay isn’t based on difficulty. It’s based on the amount of money the labor makes and the perceived value by the one signing the pay checks.
Roofers work really hard, but they’re not paid very much. Same with landscapers.
On the other hand, lobbyists are paid very well.
It’s not about “traditional gender roles” at all. We just don’t value “hard work” we value ROI, and usually roi measured in the quarter or year… not even long term.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 20:51
Subject: My husband believes we seriously live in a matriarchy
Anonymous wrote:Not going to lie- I’ve often felt like it’s a matriarchy. Despite having strong male role models (and no divorce, they were married to the women), women have ran the show on both sides of my family and both sides of dhs family.
Women do all the caretaking, work full time, bring home equal money, kids nag them first nonstop (dad gets to go to the bathroom in peace. I have 3 kids beating down the door), they plan all the birthday parties, vacations, holidays. They plan the menus for holidays. They have complete control over all decorations in the house. Women politely ask their husbands for their opinions, but it’s pretty much a formality.
My mom told me when I was a kid to “marry well and train them hard.” Men basically do our bidding and we’ve trained them such that they’re happy to do it.
ummm … I don’t think you’re making a very persuasive argument…
Anonymous
07/27/2023 20:26
Subject: My husband believes we seriously live in a matriarchy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My husband too! Any time I point out discrimination against women, he immediately counters with how oppressed white men are these days, and how the tables have turned against him.
My husband too!! When did white men become oppressed? I thought they were the oppressors?
In what way? I’m trying to understand how woman are paid 83.1% of what men are paid (per 2021 numbers), don’t have rights over their own reproductive system in at least a third of the states (as of 2023), are 10% of Fortune 500 CEOs (as of 2023) , dropped out of the workforce more when COVID hit due to family responsibilities AND still handle most of the household tasks even when working full time per every survey I’ve seen. How can white men be the most oppressed and still on top by every metric or is this a “compared to 1950 when it was okay that women made 60% of what men made …”.
My favorite is the “oh you can’t say anything without …” and yet do you think people in the past didn’t have to hold their tongue against true injustice to keep their jobs or even their lives? My parents definitely had to in order to stay employed.
Women earn less because they, by choice, select careers and jobs that pay less. Typically because they are less unpleasant and more flexible jobs.
This has been asked and answered in DOL studies since as early as the Clinton era.
The careers that pay less do so because they’re traditionally considered “women’s work” and women weren’t the ones who supported the family. Nursing, teaching, child care, social work. How are those easier? Even if women choose flexible jobs, why do they do that? Because they’re also expected to be the primary parent.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 20:19
Subject: My husband believes we seriously live in a matriarchy
Anonymous wrote:Not going to lie- I’ve often felt like it’s a matriarchy. Despite having strong male role models (and no divorce, they were married to the women), women have ran the show on both sides of my family and both sides of dhs family.
Women do all the caretaking, work full time, bring home equal money, kids nag them first nonstop (dad gets to go to the bathroom in peace. I have 3 kids beating down the door), they plan all the birthday parties, vacations, holidays. They plan the menus for holidays. They have complete control over all decorations in the house. Women politely ask their husbands for their opinions, but it’s pretty much a formality.
My mom told me when I was a kid to “marry well and train them hard.” Men basically do our bidding and we’ve trained them such that they’re happy to do it.
Sounds like the men have the women trained to do all the work.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 20:13
Subject: My husband believes we seriously live in a matriarchy
Not going to lie- I’ve often felt like it’s a matriarchy. Despite having strong male role models (and no divorce, they were married to the women), women have ran the show on both sides of my family and both sides of dhs family.
Women do all the caretaking, work full time, bring home equal money, kids nag them first nonstop (dad gets to go to the bathroom in peace. I have 3 kids beating down the door), they plan all the birthday parties, vacations, holidays. They plan the menus for holidays. They have complete control over all decorations in the house. Women politely ask their husbands for their opinions, but it’s pretty much a formality.
My mom told me when I was a kid to “marry well and train them hard.” Men basically do our bidding and we’ve trained them such that they’re happy to do it.
Women do all the caretaking, work full time, bring home equal money, kids nag them first nonstop (dad gets to go to the bathroom in peace. I have 3 kids beating down the door), they plan all the birthday parties, vacations, holidays. They plan the menus for holidays. They have complete control over all decorations in the house. Women politely ask their husbands for their opinions, but it’s pretty much a formality.
My mom told me when I was a kid to “marry well and train them hard.” Men basically do our bidding and we’ve trained them such that they’re happy to do it.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 19:59
Subject: Re:My husband believes we seriously live in a matriarchy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:White men read criticism as being attacked. I think this is what they mean. That they feel attacked by other's words.
lol you are projecting classic female behavior onto men.
Why do they feel attacked then? There are plenty of jobs. People aren’t discriminating against them. To me it’s words people are saying that they are taking offense to.