Anonymous
Post 07/09/2023 17:56     Subject: NYU Stern vs Columbia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is so surprising to me. Back in the day, the elite ws firms preferred ivy to anyone else.

How did nyu pull this off? I am genuinely curious. Are they providing a more useful, relevant, or rigorous education? Do they provide better networking events? What have they done?


Columbia destroyed itself by itself by admitting a lot of socially maladjusted kids and those with questionable academic potential.

Stern otoh build up a steady stream of grinder gunners who are killer employees in finance/consulting over the last 15 years.

There’s way more risk on what you will get from a random Columbia kid vs say Dartmouth or Cornell or Penn

Back to stern - if you have a high gpa from stern, everyone knows that said person works their ass off and is intelligent



This is a good summary of how finance and consulting employers see Columbia. The quality of students aiming for the high paying fields is uneven, which gets baked in.


The recruiters are not ignorant of the different schools Columbia has.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2023 17:18     Subject: NYU Stern vs Columbia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is so surprising to me. Back in the day, the elite ws firms preferred ivy to anyone else.

How did nyu pull this off? I am genuinely curious. Are they providing a more useful, relevant, or rigorous education? Do they provide better networking events? What have they done?


Columbia destroyed itself by itself by admitting a lot of socially maladjusted kids and those with questionable academic potential.

Stern otoh build up a steady stream of grinder gunners who are killer employees in finance/consulting over the last 15 years.

There’s way more risk on what you will get from a random Columbia kid vs say Dartmouth or Cornell or Penn

Back to stern - if you have a high gpa from stern, everyone knows that said person works their ass off and is intelligent



This is a good summary of how finance and consulting employers see Columbia. The quality of students aiming for the high paying fields is uneven, which gets baked in.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2023 17:14     Subject: NYU Stern vs Columbia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is stern a grad school? Seems Stern is similar to Columbia Business School. Did the student get into both? Seems at that level, you choose which ever school OP's kid got in. It's similar to UPenn Wharton vs Chicago Booth. OPs kid may not get into both. Go with who ever accepts.


Stern is a grad school, in addition to being undergrad. I went to Stern for an MBA. Pretty much everyone there didn’t get into Columbia or got offered enough merit aid to pick Stern over Columbia. Maybe things have changed? One thing that brought Stern down in the rankings was the part time program. It was wayyyyy easier to get into so it brought down average gmat scores and college gpas.

Job prospects were good, though I did talk with recruiters who were told to only look at resumes from HBS, Wharton and Stanford, which was annoying.


We are taking about undergrad here.


Columbia is a liberal arts university with its Core. It's not pre-prefresional.


What do you mean???
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2023 16:34     Subject: NYU Stern vs Columbia
Anonymous wrote:Columbia is ranked #18 however I do not see it staying in top 20 much longer. NYU is ranked #25 so not far from top 20. Who cares.


It will fall if you include GS and Barnard. This would be the same for NYU if it include its Extension program, not to mention its full blown universities NYU Shanghai and NYU Dubai. NYU Dubai is ranked something like #3500 among world universities.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2023 16:23     Subject: NYU Stern vs Columbia
Columbia is ranked #18 however I do not see it staying in top 20 much longer. NYU is ranked #25 so not far from top 20. Who cares.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2023 16:16     Subject: NYU Stern vs Columbia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is stern a grad school? Seems Stern is similar to Columbia Business School. Did the student get into both? Seems at that level, you choose which ever school OP's kid got in. It's similar to UPenn Wharton vs Chicago Booth. OPs kid may not get into both. Go with who ever accepts.


Stern is a grad school, in addition to being undergrad. I went to Stern for an MBA. Pretty much everyone there didn’t get into Columbia or got offered enough merit aid to pick Stern over Columbia. Maybe things have changed? One thing that brought Stern down in the rankings was the part time program. It was wayyyyy easier to get into so it brought down average gmat scores and college gpas.

Job prospects were good, though I did talk with recruiters who were told to only look at resumes from HBS, Wharton and Stanford, which was annoying.


We are taking about undergrad here.


Columbia is a liberal arts university with its Core. It's not pre-prefresional.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2023 15:55     Subject: NYU Stern vs Columbia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is stern a grad school? Seems Stern is similar to Columbia Business School. Did the student get into both? Seems at that level, you choose which ever school OP's kid got in. It's similar to UPenn Wharton vs Chicago Booth. OPs kid may not get into both. Go with who ever accepts.


Stern is a grad school, in addition to being undergrad. I went to Stern for an MBA. Pretty much everyone there didn’t get into Columbia or got offered enough merit aid to pick Stern over Columbia. Maybe things have changed? One thing that brought Stern down in the rankings was the part time program. It was wayyyyy easier to get into so it brought down average gmat scores and college gpas.

Job prospects were good, though I did talk with recruiters who were told to only look at resumes from HBS, Wharton and Stanford, which was annoying.


We are taking about undergrad here.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2023 14:37     Subject: NYU Stern vs Columbia
About the same for undergrad
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2023 14:18     Subject: NYU Stern vs Columbia
Anonymous wrote:Is stern a grad school? Seems Stern is similar to Columbia Business School. Did the student get into both? Seems at that level, you choose which ever school OP's kid got in. It's similar to UPenn Wharton vs Chicago Booth. OPs kid may not get into both. Go with who ever accepts.


Stern is a grad school, in addition to being undergrad. I went to Stern for an MBA. Pretty much everyone there didn’t get into Columbia or got offered enough merit aid to pick Stern over Columbia. Maybe things have changed? One thing that brought Stern down in the rankings was the part time program. It was wayyyyy easier to get into so it brought down average gmat scores and college gpas.

Job prospects were good, though I did talk with recruiters who were told to only look at resumes from HBS, Wharton and Stanford, which was annoying.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2023 13:59     Subject: NYU Stern vs Columbia
NYU maybe rising, but still not yet at the level of Columbia. Students at Stern has to be compared with students at Columbia with finance jobs in mind, not the whole student body.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2023 12:42     Subject: NYU Stern vs Columbia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DS asked me to "ask the DC ladies" if NYU Stern is better than Columbia these days.

Essentially the same in the NY market but Columbia is clearly better elsewhere.


Columbia is also better to namedrop generally and has great name recognition internationally and in smaller US cities.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2023 12:39     Subject: NYU Stern vs Columbia
Anonymous wrote:DS asked me to "ask the DC ladies" if NYU Stern is better than Columbia these days.

Essentially the same in the NY market but Columbia is clearly better elsewhere.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2023 12:36     Subject: NYU Stern vs Columbia
Its all just opinion and conjecture which is stronger / better/ more influential. They are both terrific places to be a student, obviously.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2023 11:42     Subject: NYU Stern vs Columbia
Anonymous wrote:Is stern a grad school? Seems Stern is similar to Columbia Business School. Did the student get into both? Seems at that level, you choose which ever school OP's kid got in. It's similar to UPenn Wharton vs Chicago Booth. OPs kid may not get into both. Go with who ever accepts.


No, we are talking about undergrad.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2023 11:38     Subject: NYU Stern vs Columbia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DCUM is not a good place if OP is looking for an impartial 3rd party's perspective. My kid's a recent CU SEAS grad whose undergrad long-term goal was an MBA program. A significant drawback for my kid already is the salary right out of Columbia is higher than the published MBA salary of most M7 schools. Really. So the opportunity cost of an MBA program is HUGE. The difference is enough to scrap the MBA plan altogether. Can't compare with Stern's experience or outcome. No personal NYU experience.


this is categorically false - unless - pls name major and field offer was received from


I am speaking from my kid's experience as a SEAS grad. I'd not be so arrogant as to say I know more about PP's kid than PP does.

Correction is TC, not just salary. Published M7 graduates about a year ago averaged $150-160,000, including CBS. This is for a residential MBA program costing approximately $200,000. Do the math on opportunity costs.