Anonymous wrote:I agree with the ruling. The open racism
against Asian students boggled my mind. There has also been a large anti white male issue happening and now less white males even go to college than before.The differences in criteria have been unfair. You even see this in kids who grew up on same street and parents make same money but are various ethnicities. Like many things people push things until enough people say no. I do think the SAT will be gone soon because schools will look to find away around this. FWIW I always thought the SAT was also unfair because you need to spend so much money in tutoring and for every genius that doesn’t need it you have thousands more kids who need the tutoring to get over these crazy scores.

Many people don't want to admit that Asians, as a group, are very smart. Their intelligence shows up at a very ypung age in preschool and elementary school settings, long before private tutoring or SAT prep.

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Anonymous wrote:I do think this a blow to diversity on college campuses, but I also think schools will get creative with how they keep said diversity. Pay attention to student zip codes who apply, the racial make up of the HS they attend, read the essays for clues as to the students race/ethnicity, etc.

I hope so. I feel like our society is back-sliding and reinforcing systemic racism, all because Asian kids don’t get their school of choice that they feel deeply entitled to. It’s disturbing

Thank you - as a well educated African American woman, this is a bitter pill to swallow. My kids will be fine but as a long time local prosecutor, man have I met some smart kids who due to circumstances, will never ever have the grades and test scores to meet some college admission criteria. However, these same kids would do well in the right circumstances on a college campus if given the opportunity. Many of these Asian families have no shortage of money for tutoring and other enrichment classes and can get into MANY colleges - not just the one they want, while the kids I have described will not get into any.

Many of them don’t have money for tutors and other enrichment. I don’t know where your metrics are derived, but that sounds anecdotal.

Asian students at Stuyvesant school by and large come from poor backgrounds, but scores well enough, when there was an entrance exam, to be admitted to the school.

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Anonymous wrote:These universities will just adjust there admissions criteria to eliminate the things that preference rich white, Asian, Latino applicants. They already eliminated standardized tests. They want a diverse class and they will figure out a way to get it.

Translation: they will water down criteria and let in a whole bunch of unqualified people who’ll fail out OR they’ll have to make curricula easier, bringing the education standards down for everyone. What a brilliant plan. We can all be equal when we are all equally mediocre to crappy.

Right because a 4.0 or 3.9 GPA Black student is really going to fail at Harvard and needs the entire university to dumb down curriculum to be able to learn. You sound like white folks in the 50s that had a fit the moment one Black family moved into the neighborhood. Forget that the Black family is as educated and wealthy if not more than you. SMH

I don't care how educated and wealthy they are, but if they want to have colleges just for blacks, events just for blacks, and magazines just for blacks, they can enjoy their segregated neighborhoods as well, regardless of their socio-economic status. But guess what, Obamas dont' want to live in a predominately black neighborhood of DC for a reason.

Anonymous wrote:They just reported on the news that Clarence Thomas said he does not know "what diversity is". Give me a break. He checked the box to get into Yale Law.

Ok Clarence. Get ready to have all these schools start to slew heavily female. Adolescent females are outpacing males academically and will be taking the spots at top universities. No need to try to balance any class by race or gender or income or anything. Get ready affluent young ladies...you are now at the head of the line.

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I'm one of those Democrats who is happy to see this ruling. I'd rather see affirmative action on the basis of socioeconomic status rather than race. It would probably get you to the same conclusion rather than giving preferential treatment to UMC and UC POCs.

It doesn't get you there. California has already proven that. As a black woman, I am devasted. How do you eliminate affirmative action when merit is not real. You have many black and latino students graduated from substandard schools and white kids going to high school with golf courses. SAT scores are based on income, not intelligence.

We haven't even come to terms with race in this country.

No, and we probably never will. Sorry, people are too concerned about their own and their kids' futures to willingly give up their own standing in this "dog-eat-dog" of a country. We kind of tried to help for a while. But rising inequality and the costs of securing a decent future since the 1980s in this meritocratic society has made us much less trusting, much more polarized and with fewer safety nets to fall back on. It's every person for himself even if we're starting from radically different starting points.

BS.

My kids in another era, would have been shoe-ins for an Ivy League school. Neither were accepted in their ED's and both ended up at otherwise outstanding schools and are/were very happy with the college educations and experiences. None of us in our family have ANY issues with racial preferences that worked against our kids because we understand the system racism and historic racism that has divided our country and are happy that kids who would not have been given a shot 100 years ago are being given one today.

Congratulations! That's great to hear! But your personal story is an anecdote. I'm speaking for society at large, which isn't necessarily reflective of your personal lived experience.

Flat out do not believe this. No one who has seen their kid work so hard is happy when they do not get into their qualified ED. Move along. Happy that admissions will be based on grades etc and still will be a lottery ticket but at least a fair one.

Anonymous wrote:They just reported on the news that Clarence Thomas said he does not know "what diversity is". Give me a break. He checked the box to get into Yale Law.

That is why no one takes him seriously because we all know he got there just because of his race.

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Anonymous wrote:These universities will just adjust there admissions criteria to eliminate the things that preference rich white, Asian, Latino applicants. They already eliminated standardized tests. They want a diverse class and they will figure out a way to get it.

Translation: they will water down criteria and let in a whole bunch of unqualified people who’ll fail out OR they’ll have to make curricula easier, bringing the education standards down for everyone. What a brilliant plan. We can all be equal when we are all equally mediocre to crappy.

Right because a 4.0 or 3.9 GPA Black student is really going to fail at Harvard and needs the entire university to dumb down curriculum to be able to learn. You sound like white folks in the 50s that had a fit the moment one Black family moved into the neighborhood. Forget that the Black family is as educated and wealthy, if not more than you. SMH

Anonymous wrote:They just reported on the news that Clarence Thomas said he does not know "what diversity is". Give me a break. He checked the box to get into Yale Law.

We can name some senators who did the same.

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Anonymous wrote:These universities will just adjust there admissions criteria to eliminate the things that preference rich white, Asian, Latino applicants. They already eliminated standardized tests. They want a diverse class and they will figure out a way to get it.

Translation: they will water down criteria and let in a whole bunch of unqualified people who’ll fail out OR they’ll have to make curricula easier, bringing the education standards down for everyone. What a brilliant plan. We can all be equal when we are all equally mediocre to crappy.

Oh well. If you don't want to attend a university that values diversity...choose a university that does not value diversity.

Sure, as soon as my tax dollars aren’t used to fund schools illegally using race in admissions.

+1 and that's not just public universities. It includes any university funded with Federal research grants, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:These universities will just adjust there admissions criteria to eliminate the things that preference rich white, Asian, Latino applicants. They already eliminated standardized tests. They want a diverse class and they will figure out a way to get it.

Translation: they will water down criteria and let in a whole bunch of unqualified people who’ll fail out OR they’ll have to make curricula easier, bringing the education standards down for everyone. What a brilliant plan. We can all be equal when we are all equally mediocre to crappy.

This is what I was thinking as well. If Harvard begins using zip codes, possibly ends legacy admissions, is intent on letting in a diverse set of applicants by new means, such as zip codes, or other novel methods, are they getting the most qualified or are they just getting the student body makeup up they are looking for? Can this student body manage the workload if they are accepted based on a potentially lowered bar? Do they come out less wealthy if they are expelled for poor grades? Would it even be possible for them to get kicked out or will grades simply become inflated and curriculum watered down to account for having accepted a student body that never took a rigorous standardized test for admission purposes. These tests help demonstrate capability. Does an increased focus on simply accepting student based on immutable characteristics lead to excellence?

Will wealthy parents, whose kids no longer get in to schools that use wealth, and mainly zip codes, as a means of denying students admission flock to other decent schools that don’t thereby increasing the caliber of those schools and creating bigger endowments for those schools?

There are so many questions that come out of this.

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I'm one of those Democrats who is happy to see this ruling. I'd rather see affirmative action on the basis of socioeconomic status rather than race. It would probably get you to the same conclusion rather than giving preferential treatment to UMC and UC POCs.

It doesn't get you there. California has already proven that. As a black woman, I am devasted. How do you eliminate affirmative action when merit is not real. You have many black and latino students graduated from substandard schools and white kids going to high school with golf courses. SAT scores are based on income, not intelligence.

We haven't even come to terms with race in this country.

And you apparently haven't come to terms with class. There are a TON of poor and lower income whites in this country. You really need to get out more.

Umm, are they poor because they are white??

Are you kidding? There are DCUM posters who think rural southerners are not very bright just because of their accents.

They just reported on the news that Clarence Thomas said he does not know "what diversity is". Give me a break. He checked the box to get into Yale Law.

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Anonymous wrote:These universities will just adjust there admissions criteria to eliminate the things that preference rich white, Asian, Latino applicants. They already eliminated standardized tests. They want a diverse class and they will figure out a way to get it.

Translation: they will water down criteria and let in a whole bunch of unqualified people who’ll fail out OR they’ll have to make curricula easier, bringing the education standards down for everyone. What a brilliant plan. We can all be equal when we are all equally mediocre to crappy.

Oh well. If you don't want to attend a university that values diversity...choose a university that does not value diversity.

Sure, as soon as my tax dollars aren’t used to fund schools illegally using race in admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:These universities will just adjust there admissions criteria to eliminate the things that preference rich white, Asian, Latino applicants. They already eliminated standardized tests. They want a diverse class and they will figure out a way to get it.

Translation: they will water down criteria and let in a whole bunch of unqualified people who’ll fail out OR they’ll have to make curricula easier, bringing the education standards down for everyone. What a brilliant plan. We can all be equal when we are all equally mediocre to crappy.

Oh well. If you don't want to attend a university that values diversity...choose a university that does not value diversity.

+1 Hillsdale is available.

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I'm one of those Democrats who is happy to see this ruling. I'd rather see affirmative action on the basis of socioeconomic status rather than race. It would probably get you to the same conclusion rather than giving preferential treatment to UMC and UC POCs.

It doesn't get you there. California has already proven that. As a black woman, I am devasted. How do you eliminate affirmative action when merit is not real. You have many black and latino students graduated from substandard schools and white kids going to high school with golf courses. SAT scores are based on income, not intelligence.

We haven't even come to terms with race in this country.

No, and we probably never will. Sorry, people are too concerned about their own and their kids' futures to willingly give up their own standing in this "dog-eat-dog" of a country. We kind of tried to help for a while. But rising inequality and the costs of securing a decent future since the 1980s in this meritocratic society has made us much less trusting, much more polarized and with fewer safety nets to fall back on. It's every person for himself even if we're starting from radically different starting points.

BS.

My kids in another era, would have been shoe-ins for an Ivy League school. Neither were accepted in their ED's and both ended up at otherwise outstanding schools and are/were very happy with the college educations and experiences. None of us in our family have ANY issues with racial preferences that worked against our kids because we understand the system racism and historic racism that has divided our country and are happy that kids who would not have been given a shot 100 years ago are being given one today.

Congratulations! That's great to hear! But your personal story is an anecdote. I'm speaking for society at large, which isn't necessarily reflective of your personal lived experience.