Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 22:04     Subject: Anyone travel to/from Europe and NOT get covid? If so - where?
This thread is madness. You can travel, people. JFC.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 21:53     Subject: Re:Anyone travel to/from Europe and NOT get covid? If so - where?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t get Covid wading through the wall to wall crowds of the Vatican museums and the other crowded spots of Italy. It’s not like you get Covid any time you step into a crowd…


Since everyone is bashing OP, I will comment that we went to the Vatican spring break, all got Covid, & a 50-yr old otherwise healthy adult in our family ended up hospitalized for 3 days with Covid complications. Not saying you shouldn't go, but Covid is not "over" & raising the question in 2023 is completely rational.


Yes but that could be true anywhere at this point. There is essentially zero masking anywhere in the US anymore. We live our lives right now exactly as we did in summer 2019. The virus has completely spread everywhere in the world, and the vast majority of people have some level of immunity, either from vaccination, previous infection, or both. There is nothing special about traveling and transmission versus your day to day life.


DP. Maybe not YOUR life. But I live in a SFH, where I don't have to worry about covid. I drive a car rather than use public transport. I dont dine indoors. I only go indoors if I have to and when I do I wear a kn95. WHen I hang out with friends, I do so outside.

If I fly to Europe, I am in airports, planes, trains, ubers, and hotels with rooms that may have shared air. I will at a minimum need to go insto restaurants to get takeout. I will be tempted to visit indoor art galleries etc.


There is no reason you can't live that way while traveling if you want to. We traveled some in 2021 and 2022 and masked everywhere indoors, and only ate outdoors. Nothing preventing you from doing that now.


I’m sorry, what? Are you forgetting the concept of a long haul airplane flight? And crowded airports? I don’t put myself in the situation when I’m at home. I have traveled, by car. to cottages and houses.

That’s very different from taking a long-haul flight to Europe
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 21:46     Subject: Anyone travel to/from Europe and NOT get covid? If so - where?
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Anonymous wrote:I thought this was a revived zombie thread from 2021! There are completely full 747s landing in dc from Dulles every day and the majority of those people don’t have Covid. How is this even a question?


Exactly.

I started traveling in Dec 2020 and have been all over the world many times. No COVID, no masks. So ridiculous to still be restricting yourself.


+1
So bizarre. You may catch it, you may not - anywhere in the world. It’s just a bad cold at this point. Live your life.


You have no idea what health issues the OP may have that may make precautions completely valid. It's fine if you choose not to take precautions, but don't call those 'ridiculous' who do, or say that their experience will be that of a bad cold.


It is ridiculous. COVID isn’t going anywhere. Maybe you missed it but we can’t shelter and mask our way out of it spreading. At this point you either have to risk it or decide to live your life as a hermit. But if you’re going to pick the hermit route, don’t pop your head out of your hole once in a while to ask where you can fly to in Europe and not get COVID. Get real. The trauma of the pandemic made these precautions pathological with a shocking number of people.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 21:42     Subject: Anyone travel to/from Europe and NOT get covid? If so - where?
Relax. Take off the mask. COVID is over.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 21:37     Subject: Anyone travel to/from Europe and NOT get covid? If so - where?
If you are worried you shouldn’t go. That applies to the US too. 99.9 percent of people are over it. I don’t think the risks are anh higher in Europe than the US though.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 21:21     Subject: Anyone travel to/from Europe and NOT get covid? If so - where?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought this was a revived zombie thread from 2021! There are completely full 747s landing in dc from Dulles every day and the majority of those people don’t have Covid. How is this even a question?


Exactly.

I started traveling in Dec 2020 and have been all over the world many times. No COVID, no masks. So ridiculous to still be restricting yourself.



how nice to be judgmental and imperious!! DH went to Austin on a business trip and brought it home He's so sick I'm sitting here trying to decide whether or not to call he ambulance
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 21:12     Subject: Anyone travel to/from Europe and NOT get covid? If so - where?
Anonymous wrote:OP, nowhere in Europe is still “covid cautious” in terms of other people masking in large numbers. In Paris some elderly people still mask on the metro. That’s it.

That said, in many European cities, there is ample outdoor dining (because many restaurants do not have a/c indoors). Lots of beautiful patios with sun umbrellas and fans. I was able to eat entirely outdoors and mask indoors on two separate trips last summer. The only challenge was if it rained. I took no precautions on a different European trip in 2023 and luckily did not get sick. It’s not an automatic conclusion.

I don’t know your health situation, but my 70/72 year old parents have covid right now for the first time. They are total home bodies but flew domestically for the first time last weekend. My mom has at least 3 comorbidities in addition to her age, but she is fine. Said it’s like a sinus infection. All our living grandparents had it and were fine. Obviously they’ve all had all the vaccines.

It’s fine if you still wish to mask and are not ready to move on, but everywhere I have been in Europe moved on a long time ago. I hear parts of Asia are still masking more than Europe. Perhaps that might be more comforting an environment.


This. OP is asking the wrong question. You cannot find a Covid free place in Europe. Covid will find you, anywhere, as soon as you drop precautions. It’s a bit unnerving, because you never know exactly how an individual will be affected, and the effects vary so much between people, but getting it, eventually, is unavoidable.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 21:11     Subject: Re:Anyone travel to/from Europe and NOT get covid? If so - where?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I didn’t get Covid wading through the wall to wall crowds of the Vatican museums and the other crowded spots of Italy. It’s not like you get Covid any time you step into a crowd…


Since everyone is bashing OP, I will comment that we went to the Vatican spring break, all got Covid, & a 50-yr old otherwise healthy adult in our family ended up hospitalized for 3 days with Covid complications. Not saying you shouldn't go, but Covid is not "over" & raising the question in 2023 is completely rational.


Yes but that could be true anywhere at this point. There is essentially zero masking anywhere in the US anymore. We live our lives right now exactly as we did in summer 2019. The virus has completely spread everywhere in the world, and the vast majority of people have some level of immunity, either from vaccination, previous infection, or both. There is nothing special about traveling and transmission versus your day to day life.


DP. Maybe not YOUR life. But I live in a SFH, where I don't have to worry about covid. I drive a car rather than use public transport. I dont dine indoors. I only go indoors if I have to and when I do I wear a kn95. WHen I hang out with friends, I do so outside.

If I fly to Europe, I am in airports, planes, trains, ubers, and hotels with rooms that may have shared air. I will at a minimum need to go insto restaurants to get takeout. I will be tempted to visit indoor art galleries etc.


There is no reason you can't live that way while traveling if you want to. We traveled some in 2021 and 2022 and masked everywhere indoors, and only ate outdoors. Nothing preventing you from doing that now.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 21:06     Subject: Re:Anyone travel to/from Europe and NOT get covid? If so - where?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I didn’t get Covid wading through the wall to wall crowds of the Vatican museums and the other crowded spots of Italy. It’s not like you get Covid any time you step into a crowd…


Since everyone is bashing OP, I will comment that we went to the Vatican spring break, all got Covid, & a 50-yr old otherwise healthy adult in our family ended up hospitalized for 3 days with Covid complications. Not saying you shouldn't go, but Covid is not "over" & raising the question in 2023 is completely rational.


Yes but that could be true anywhere at this point. There is essentially zero masking anywhere in the US anymore. We live our lives right now exactly as we did in summer 2019. The virus has completely spread everywhere in the world, and the vast majority of people have some level of immunity, either from vaccination, previous infection, or both. There is nothing special about traveling and transmission versus your day to day life.


DP. Maybe not YOUR life. But I live in a SFH, where I don't have to worry about covid. I drive a car rather than use public transport. I dont dine indoors. I only go indoors if I have to and when I do I wear a kn95. WHen I hang out with friends, I do so outside.

If I fly to Europe, I am in airports, planes, trains, ubers, and hotels with rooms that may have shared air. I will at a minimum need to go insto restaurants to get takeout. I will be tempted to visit indoor art galleries etc.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 21:04     Subject: Anyone travel to/from Europe and NOT get covid? If so - where?
Anonymous wrote:And did you take any precautions like masking on flights, not eating indoors, masking indoors there or was it more a roll of the dice that worked out?

Any places in Europe that are still covid cautious and/or where it'd be easier to avoid it than other places? I'm guessing a rainy week in Ireland makes it easier to catch bc you'll mostly be indoors.


My friend was very cautious (travel to Rome), KN-95 masks on planes and indoors, only outdoor restaurants… she took her mask off only once fairly briefly inside a large hall of a museum. She got Covid.
Meanwhile I was squeezed into an elevator with 40 different international strangers and no masks on anyone four separate times, shoulder to shoulder in public transport in a large city, etc. and I did not get it. I think that’s because I already had it, and my friend didn’t. We are both up to date with vaccines.

There are no regulations or precautions anywhere in Europe at this point, and you will very rarely spot a mask anywhere.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 20:53     Subject: Re:Anyone travel to/from Europe and NOT get covid? If so - where?
Paris this Spring, did not get Covid. No masks. This included a day in the Louvre, the most crowded I’ve *ever* experienced it. Absolutely packed. The whole city was extremely busy, as were all attractions. Fully up to date with vaccines, and had Covid once.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 18:25     Subject: Re:Anyone travel to/from Europe and NOT get covid? If so - where?
The biggest chance of exposure to COVID or any airborne illness, is on the plane, especially during the time before takeoff and after landing, when the air isn't circulating and being filtered well. Wear very tight fitting KN95s at that time if you would prefer to not get sick, especially on the start of your trip.
Anonymous
Post 06/12/2023 17:12     Subject: Anyone travel to/from Europe and NOT get covid? If so - where?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought this was a revived zombie thread from 2021! There are completely full 747s landing in dc from Dulles every day and the majority of those people don’t have Covid. How is this even a question?


Exactly.

I started traveling in Dec 2020 and have been all over the world many times. No COVID, no masks. So ridiculous to still be restricting yourself.


+1
So bizarre. You may catch it, you may not - anywhere in the world. It’s just a bad cold at this point. Live your life.


You have no idea what health issues the OP may have that may make precautions completely valid. It's fine if you choose not to take precautions, but don't call those 'ridiculous' who do, or say that their experience will be that of a bad cold.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2023 15:06     Subject: Anyone travel to/from Europe and NOT get covid? If so - where?
OP, nowhere in Europe is still “covid cautious” in terms of other people masking in large numbers. In Paris some elderly people still mask on the metro. That’s it.

That said, in many European cities, there is ample outdoor dining (because many restaurants do not have a/c indoors). Lots of beautiful patios with sun umbrellas and fans. I was able to eat entirely outdoors and mask indoors on two separate trips last summer. The only challenge was if it rained. I took no precautions on a different European trip in 2023 and luckily did not get sick. It’s not an automatic conclusion.

I don’t know your health situation, but my 70/72 year old parents have covid right now for the first time. They are total home bodies but flew domestically for the first time last weekend. My mom has at least 3 comorbidities in addition to her age, but she is fine. Said it’s like a sinus infection. All our living grandparents had it and were fine. Obviously they’ve all had all the vaccines.

It’s fine if you still wish to mask and are not ready to move on, but everywhere I have been in Europe moved on a long time ago. I hear parts of Asia are still masking more than Europe. Perhaps that might be more comforting an environment.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2023 15:02     Subject: Re:Anyone travel to/from Europe and NOT get covid? If so - where?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I didn’t get Covid wading through the wall to wall crowds of the Vatican museums and the other crowded spots of Italy. It’s not like you get Covid any time you step into a crowd…


Since everyone is bashing OP, I will comment that we went to the Vatican spring break, all got Covid, & a 50-yr old otherwise healthy adult in our family ended up hospitalized for 3 days with Covid complications. Not saying you shouldn't go, but Covid is not "over" & raising the question in 2023 is completely rational.


This.

To everyone saying why are you so scared, covid is NBD? Yeah covid is no big deal until the otherwise healthy person gets it and a week later has a blood clot or cardiac arrest.

Not saying don't travel, but yeah it's rational to consider it, mask on flights, go places that are more amenable to spending times outdoors. As for - so what the same thing could happen at home, sure, but at home presumably you're not scrambling for medical care the same way, you aren't worrying about how you'll make your flight back etc. So maybe add to the list above - go places with decent medical care and decent english language skills, just in case.


That’s an excellent point about learning medical emergency language. I was just on a flight with a medical emergency, a coworker was too and the person did not make it. I feel like these instances are becoming more common.