Isn’t a current all-boys school worse than a former segregation academy?

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Anonymous wrote:Former segregation academy in the south?

I mean, pretty much all private schools are segregation academies at heart. It’s curious to get upset about it after the fact.

A “segregation academy” formed in the 1950s and 1960s with the purpose of keeping Black students out.

The demand for private schools went up because the whites supremacists didn’t want their kids mixing with Blacks and there was no longer space at these privates that were there prior to the 1950’s. They may as well be segregation academies too too since they weren’t letting many Blacks in either. Many of them are still segregation academies.

Anonymous wrote:I'm black for what it's worth. If the school works well for my child now, why would I deprive them of the school based on whatever happened in the past?

I get that this calculation might be different for white families (and others) that don't want to condone the transgressions of the past. But certainly don't make any decisions based on what you think black folks "might" think.

Most of us don't care and the ones that might raise a ruckus are almost invariably outliers in view and disposition AMONG black folks.

Speak for yourself. I’m Black and I’m definitely judging you if you currently send your child to a former segregation academy. That is a different level of racism from a formerly segregated school that was founded pre-Brown vs. Board. Like many things, there are levels to this.

I'm black for what it's worth. If the school works well for my child now, why would I deprive them of the school based on whatever happened in the past?

I get that this calculation might be different for white families (and others) that don't want to condone the transgressions of the past. But certainly don't make any decisions based on what you think black folks "might" think.

Most of us don't care and the ones that might raise a ruckus are almost invariably outliers in view and disposition AMONG black folks.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I know you're trolling because you find this out when doing research into schools when applying to them. And people who get upset enough at a past history that bothers them aren't the kind of people who accidentally enroll their children into a former segregation academy. Try better next time.

Get over yourself. I grew up in the Midwest and had no idea this was a thing. And yeah, the only research I did was, "Wow, highly ranked school that was open during covid and will take my children transferring mid-year because of a military PCS? Sign me up."

No excuse.

Pretty much any private school founded before the 1960s was explicitly racist and also quite often discriminated against Jews or even Catholics.

Moaning about a former segregation academy in a southern state while shrugging at the racist past of most DC privates? Ok....

Agree that most schools pre Civil Rights era were racist, but some schools were created specifically in reaction to Brown v Board and laws that forbade school segregation. That is a different level of racism, and not the "generic" racism that most schools of the era spouted.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I know you're trolling because you find this out when doing research into schools when applying to them. And people who get upset enough at a past history that bothers them aren't the kind of people who accidentally enroll their children into a former segregation academy. Try better next time.

Get over yourself. I grew up in the Midwest and had no idea this was a thing. And yeah, the only research I did was, "Wow, highly ranked school that was open during covid and will take my children transferring mid-year because of a military PCS? Sign me up."

No excuse.

Pretty much any private school founded before the 1960s was explicitly racist and also quite often discriminated against Jews or even Catholics.

Moaning about a former segregation academy in a southern state while shrugging at the racist past of most DC privates? Ok....

Schools have a particular responsibility to acknowledge their own history and complicity in egregious events of the past. This is because schools have an explicit charge to impart knowledge and truth to the next generation, which requires self-introspection. Many universities are grappling with their slave-owning past (see Georgetown as one local example). While I don't think that you need to dismiss a school altogether for sins that happened in generations past, the notion of sweeping its own history or white-washing its institutional history is troubling. How, in this post-George Floyd era, does a school that is committed (presumably) to non-discrimination and equity (presumably) not acknowledge its own past? Private schools often have an unofficial school historian. That might be a good place to start.

No. There are a lot of uncomfortable, racist, sexist parts of our country's history and individual families' histories. They provide opportunities to educate people about the past - not so distant past in some cases - and learn from the mistakes and understand the present challenges better. People are complex, and it helps to contextualize people in their place in history. Real life is not frequently populated by outright villains and heroes.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we constantly judging against todays standards? It was acceptable when it was implemented. I am sure that we as a society are doing things today that seem perfectly normal and in 50 yrs will seem egregious.

No, it wasn’t “acceptable” when it was implemented. This kind of thinking really reflects intense racism. You can only think “it was acceptable” if you don’t count the opinions of the human beings who were victims of segregation and racial terrorism. Those people (half the population in the South) never thought segregation, lynching, terrorism, and systematic denial of voting rights were “acceptable.”

That is exactly, precisely equivalent to saying that the murder of millions of Jews, gay people, Catholics, Gypsies, and communists was “acceptable” during Nazi rule of Germany.

Millions and billions of people’s schools affected directly by Jim Crowe laws in the southern plantation states. Millions.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we constantly judging against todays standards? It was acceptable when it was implemented. I am sure that we as a society are doing things today that seem perfectly normal and in 50 yrs will seem egregious.

No, it wasn’t “acceptable” when it was implemented. This kind of thinking really reflects intense racism. You can only think “it was acceptable” if you don’t count the opinions of the human beings who were victims of segregation and racial terrorism. Those people (half the population in the South) never thought segregation, lynching, terrorism, and systematic denial of voting rights were “acceptable.”

That is exactly, precisely equivalent to saying that the murder of millions of Jews, gay people, Catholics, Gypsies, and communists was “acceptable” during Nazi rule of Germany.

Good grief. "Acceptable" is a societal construct. Of course it was "acceptable" back then. If it weren't, thousands of these schools would not have opened up. Many folks, even Black folks, thought it was acceptable to be segregated. Not every Black American wanted an integrated society. But they did demand to be treated well and have the same opportunities that were available to white folks. That has taken decades to bring about, and many folks would admit we are still working towards that enviable goal.

Anonymous wrote:Why are we constantly judging against todays standards? It was acceptable when it was implemented. I am sure that we as a society are doing things today that seem perfectly normal and in 50 yrs will seem egregious.

No, it wasn’t “acceptable” when it was implemented. This kind of thinking really reflects intense racism. You can only think “it was acceptable” if you don’t count the opinions of the human beings who were victims of segregation and racial terrorism. Those people (half the population in the South) never thought segregation, lynching, terrorism, and systematic denial of voting rights were “acceptable.”

That is exactly, precisely equivalent to saying that the murder of millions of Jews, gay people, Catholics, Gypsies, and communists was “acceptable” during Nazi rule of Germany.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I know you're trolling because you find this out when doing research into schools when applying to them. And people who get upset enough at a past history that bothers them aren't the kind of people who accidentally enroll their children into a former segregation academy. Try better next time.

Get over yourself. I grew up in the Midwest and had no idea this was a thing. And yeah, the only research I did was, "Wow, highly ranked school that was open during covid and will take my children transferring mid-year because of a military PCS? Sign me up."

Same, some people decided to get obsessed with Jim Crowe states and simultaneously never realize this was not going on much in the East, Midwest or west. Learned about it in history class as part of history. Guess what? All the millions of current immigrants don’t know any US history- which either makes them totally ignorant or eat up whatever mass media or social media tells them to believe.

They also simultaneously neglect that other national and global issues like wars, plague, immigration from Asia to CA, mafia problems in Chicago, mission crises, etc were also action items the same years or decades.

Eh, I'm not really sure this is accurate. Jim Crow laws pervaded the entire nation.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I know you're trolling because you find this out when doing research into schools when applying to them. And people who get upset enough at a past history that bothers them aren't the kind of people who accidentally enroll their children into a former segregation academy. Try better next time.

Get over yourself. I grew up in the Midwest and had no idea this was a thing. And yeah, the only research I did was, "Wow, highly ranked school that was open during covid and will take my children transferring mid-year because of a military PCS? Sign me up."

Same, some people decided to get obsessed with Jim Crowe states and simultaneously never realize this was not going on much in the East, Midwest or west. Learned about it in history class as part of history. Guess what? All the millions of current immigrants don’t know any US history- which either makes them totally ignorant or eat up whatever mass media or social media tells them to believe.

They also simultaneously neglect that other national and global issues like wars, plague, immigration from Asia to CA, mafia problems in Chicago, mission crises, etc were also action items the same years or decades.

Anonymous wrote:Why are we constantly judging against todays standards? It was acceptable when it was implemented. I am sure that we as a society are doing things today that seem perfectly normal and in 50 yrs will seem egregious.

Segregation academies were considered egregious at the time, unless you were racist.

Why are we constantly judging against todays standards? It was acceptable when it was implemented. I am sure that we as a society are doing things today that seem perfectly normal and in 50 yrs will seem egregious.