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Anonymous wrote:Maybe CVS and all retailers should just be locked and individual customers be buzzed in at manager discretion.

My local goldsmith/jewelry/pawn shop does this. What a world!

The discrimination claims will come in on day 1, after a law-abiding young man wearing a hoodie and a face mask is denied entry.

CVS would never do it, but it is possible to be done in a non-discriminatory way. You just need clear race-neutral guidelines, such as:

-- No oversized purses or shopping bags

-- No duffel bags or backpacks

-- Face masks must be removed briefly upon entry to the store, and you must look at a camera with the mask off (FYI, this is a requirement at Maryland casinos and is strictly enforced)

Wouldn't be a perfect solution, but would probably be somewhat of a deterrent.

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Overall crime is down. Look at the data.

12 carjackings in the first 3 months o f this year, just in Wheaton:

https://moco360.media/2023/03/17/12-carjackings-and-a-shooting-at-wheaton-mall-have-residents-fearful/

So last year it was even higher then?

Are you under the impression that crime levels are based purely on carjackings?

Let me prove it to you.

Montgomery county crime rate per 100,000 people:

2020: 1,571.5
2010: 2,293.7
2000: 3,153.9
1990: 4,027.5
1980: 5,482.4

Source, and 2021 and 2022 data?

The word was shut down in 2020 so no surprise crime went down during a lockdown.

Most peopel care about violent crimes like carjackings, robberies, and homiciides. How are those doing 2023 vs 2022?

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Anonymous wrote:
Overall crime is down. Look at the data.

12 carjackings in the first 3 months o f this year, just in Wheaton:

https://moco360.media/2023/03/17/12-carjackings-and-a-shooting-at-wheaton-mall-have-residents-fearful/

So last year it was even higher then?

Are you under the impression that crime levels are based purely on carjackings?

Let me prove it to you.

Montgomery county crime rate per 100,000 people:

2020: 1,571.5
2010: 2,293.7
2000: 3,153.9
1990: 4,027.5
1980: 5,482.4

Now tell me has MoCo become more or less politically progressive over that time period? I have lives here that whole time so you can’t fool me. I’m so sick of you MoCo bashing liars.

Anonymous wrote:Maybe CVS and all retailers should just be locked and individual customers be buzzed in at manager discretion.

My local goldsmith/jewelry/pawn shop does this. What a world!

The discrimination claims will come in on day 1, after a law-abiding young man wearing a hoodie and a face mask is denied entry.

Maybe CVS and all retailers should just be locked and individual customers be buzzed in at manager discretion.

My local goldsmith/jewelry/pawn shop does this. What a world!

I worked at peoples/cbs early 1990s in derwood and a couple came in with shopping carts loaded it up and walked out of the store with it

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently MoCo Police refused to come to the store. CVS employees were still waiting for 45 minutes, as “no units available.”

WTF is happening with the police that they had more pressing business?

Like most local governments around here, MoCo government has been captured by soft-on-crime zealots. Not going to change anytime soon, and this is the result. Brazen crime tolerated, I’d say affirmatively welcomed, by the authorities in formerly safe areas. Watch your back, everyone. No one is coming to stop this, and it’s only going to get worse.

If this is true, then what are police doing while they are at work & collecting a paycheck?

Police have largely adopted a "clean up crew" mentality. They have less interest in dealing with criminals these days. The criminals are more brazen, more mentally ill and on stronger drugs than ever before putting them at a greater risk than ever before. Meanwhile, you'll have a dozen people filming their every interaction looking for a social media gotcha with firing and jail time possible. Then even when they do arrest people, they are back on the streets in a day.

So what is even the point?

In other words, police are getting paid to do nothing because they hate the fact that they have to be held accountable for their conduct.

Btw how many police officers in Montgomery County have gotten fired or gone to jail for misconduct on the job? I'll wait.

The unfortunate reality is that policing doesn't work when its done in a way that is above reproach. Not enough people are willing to engage in risky encounters on the daily when the things can go wrong for them so many ways.

Its easy to criticize the police, but no one here is going to leave a cushy office job to show them how its done right. How many people here could keep their cool after they've been punched/spit on/bit and suddenly they've got hands in their pockets? Now add 10 people surrounding you with phones and jawing at you. No one wants to deal with that.

You're acting like the standard that people are expecting of police is really high, when in fact folks just want police to stop harassing and killing innocent people. These incidents are not cases of police being harassed and then losing their cool. Don't be so disrespectful.

The type of people that can walk the beat, keep their cool and not get themselves shot in the process won't do police work in any great number. So you get what you can get for the low pay and high risk. None of the "do better" posters around here will leave cushy office jobs to show them how its done. So you either deal with a police force that hangs back, or a police force that's going to go too far now and then. Pick your poison.

You are presenting a false dichotomy that is easily disproven by statistics. Corrupt police are criminals just like any other. If police can pick and choose which laws to obey then why not the same for all citizens? You are basically promoting fascism.

Anonymous wrote:
Overall crime is down. Look at the data.

12 carjackings in the first 3 months o f this year, just in Wheaton:

https://moco360.media/2023/03/17/12-carjackings-and-a-shooting-at-wheaton-mall-have-residents-fearful/

So last year it was even higher then?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently MoCo Police refused to come to the store. CVS employees were still waiting for 45 minutes, as “no units available.”

WTF is happening with the police that they had more pressing business?

Like most local governments around here, MoCo government has been captured by soft-on-crime zealots. Not going to change anytime soon, and this is the result. Brazen crime tolerated, I’d say affirmatively welcomed, by the authorities in formerly safe areas. Watch your back, everyone. No one is coming to stop this, and it’s only going to get worse.

If this is true, then what are police doing while they are at work & collecting a paycheck?

Police have largely adopted a "clean up crew" mentality. They have less interest in dealing with criminals these days. The criminals are more brazen, more mentally ill and on stronger drugs than ever before putting them at a greater risk than ever before. Meanwhile, you'll have a dozen people filming their every interaction looking for a social media gotcha with firing and jail time possible. Then even when they do arrest people, they are back on the streets in a day.

So what is even the point?

In other words, police are getting paid to do nothing because they hate the fact that they have to be held accountable for their conduct.

Btw how many police officers in Montgomery County have gotten fired or gone to jail for misconduct on the job? I'll wait.

The unfortunate reality is that policing doesn't work when its done in a way that is above reproach. Not enough people are willing to engage in risky encounters on the daily when the things can go wrong for them so many ways.

Its easy to criticize the police, but no one here is going to leave a cushy office job to show them how its done right. How many people here could keep their cool after they've been punched/spit on/bit and suddenly they've got hands in their pockets? Now add 10 people surrounding you with phones and jawing at you. No one wants to deal with that.

You're acting like the standard that people are expecting of police is really high, when in fact folks just want police to stop harassing and killing innocent people. These incidents are not cases of police being harassed and then losing their cool. Don't be so disrespectful.

The type of people that can walk the beat, keep their cool and not get themselves shot in the process won't do police work in any great number. So you get what you can get for the low pay and high risk. None of the "do better" posters around here will leave cushy office jobs to show them how its done. So you either deal with a police force that hangs back, or a police force that's going to go too far now and then. Pick your poison.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t worry everyone, there won’t be any consequences for them! We’ll just have a little circle to chat it out and they’ll be on their way.

We must do everything we can to protect them. Can’t you see they’ve had a traumatic upbringing?

Just keep electing the people we have elected before.

It’s funny how the only people I ever hear saying this are Republican trolls!

This is gonna blow your mind but I’m a Democrat, and I’m sick of crime and how tolerant we have become a crime.

Well then you are repeating partisan talking points. The police budget has gone up. Overall crime is down. Look at the data.

The proposed FY24 budget, that will raise our property taxes about 10%, includes no increase in staffing of police officers out on the street:
https://montgomeryperspective.com/2023/03/22/is-elrich-hiring-more-cops/

Spending will go up, but basically at the same rate as other departments in the county, to keep up with inflation.

Anonymous wrote:Listen to all of you fools hyping each other up over your armchair theories!

The reality is that the crime was over in mere seconds and the police can’t always get to places that fast. Police also prioritize life threatening situations like domestic violence, vehicle accidents, assaults and fentanyl. The MoCo police are not just ignoring crime despite the ignorant crap spewed here daily.

This. I don't blame police. Theft under $1,500 is a misdemeanor in MD. No weapons were used, and no one was hurt. The perps left. This is not considered a "priority" call because it's a misdemeanor theft of property with no injuries. Meanwhile, they did have a priority call (suicidal teen) where life was at risk.

And let's say they were caught. Will the prosecutor actually press charges? Will they actually get locked up? Not over a misdemeanor theft charge.

Then, how would you feel as a cop if Council members want to do things like limit police's ability to perform traffic stops, like Jawando and Mink propose:
https://montgomeryperspective.com/2023/02/24/jawando-and-mink-introduce-bill-to-limit-traffic-stops/

Traffic stops are a great way to get guns and drugs off the street. Jawando claims too many people of certain races are getting arrested due to this... without ever commenting about if these arrests were warranted (they were, or MCPD would be sued for false arrest).

Yes, there is a lack of diversity and equity in who police arrest, but that's because there's a lack of equity and diversity in who commits crimes. Maybe we should teach elderly Asian females how to hotwire a car!

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t worry everyone, there won’t be any consequences for them! We’ll just have a little circle to chat it out and they’ll be on their way.

We must do everything we can to protect them. Can’t you see they’ve had a traumatic upbringing?

Just keep electing the people we have elected before.

It’s funny how the only people I ever hear saying this are Republican trolls!

This is gonna blow your mind but I’m a Democrat, and I’m sick of crime and how tolerant we have become a crime.

Well you'd damn well better start voting that way.

The fact that there is all this hand-wringing that crime (gasp) has now come to Bethesda!! would be laughable if it wasn't so sad. You hypocrites were leading the way in the rallies just a few years ago - remember?

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t worry everyone, there won’t be any consequences for them! We’ll just have a little circle to chat it out and they’ll be on their way.

We must do everything we can to protect them. Can’t you see they’ve had a traumatic upbringing?

Just keep electing the people we have elected before.

It’s funny how the only people I ever hear saying this are Republican trolls!

This is gonna blow your mind but I’m a Democrat, and I’m sick of crime and how tolerant we have become a crime.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t worry everyone, there won’t be any consequences for them! We’ll just have a little circle to chat it out and they’ll be on their way.

We must do everything we can to protect them. Can’t you see they’ve had a traumatic upbringing?

Just keep electing the people we have elected before.

It’s funny how the only people I ever hear saying this are Republican trolls!

All the Dems in the rockville courthouse state that daily to juries and cases.

Go sit in a few hours.