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Conservative America has far more gun deaths than liberal America, study finds

A comprehensive new study breaks down how firearm deaths correlate to pro- or anti-gun control politics

A horrific recent trend of mass shootings has severely polarized Americans on the topic of firearms. At the center of this heated controversy lies the policy question of gun control: Should the government impose restrictions on firearms and other dangerous weapons to protect the public?

Conservatives turn to the Second Amendment to argue that the Constitution's right to bear arms is sacred; liberals will argue that conservatives are misinterpreting the Second Amendment and that gun control policies have been proven to save lives. The conservative rejoinder to gun control, of course, is that good people with guns can protect the public from bad people with guns.

Yet several recent studies have revealed the exact opposite: In regions dominated by pro-gun politicians, the number of gun deaths is far higher than in areas controlled by pro-gun control politicians.

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More:
https://www.salon.com/2023/05/01/conservative...america-study-finds/

The right to vote is a right. However we take that away from the incarcerated.
You would think that we could take guns away from mentally health

Same reason people will pay for a $75 Uber instead of a $3 Metro fare.

According to this former police and Army officer who witnessed the Allen shooting, the problem is not mental illness.. it's lax gun laws.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-army-officer-witness-texas-155720157.html

We've had mentally ill people since the dawn of time but we didn't have mass weapons of destruction like assault rifles. Even when man did start having guns, they were single or six bullet shooters.

We've had a proliferation of mass shootings in modern times due to the proliferation of assault type rifles. Majority of mass shootings were committed by people who bought the assault rifles legally. That's the problem.

We also need to tighten gun laws that prevent *anyone* with a violent history from buying a gun. That's another problem. Even the military discharged the shooter from service due to being mentally unfit. Yet, he was allowed to buy a gun. Only in 'Murica.

Why can't we carry guns to the Republican national convention, courthouses, the supreme court and Congress??? Do these people not want to be saved because more guns make us safer.

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Anonymous wrote:Too many people are willingly misreading the Second Amendment and voting in equally ignorant people. 2E calls for a "well-regulated militia." At some point this became the idea that unregulated, unfettered access to guns of all types is a Constitutional right. A significant portion of our population really believes that's what the 2E says.
We the people won't be free of gun violence until we can overcome the ignorance, the intentional misunderstandings, the crazy conspiracy ideas that so many believe in. And that won't happen without a well-educated public, which in itself can't happen without Republican buy-in to strong public schools. For now, our best bet is to use our VOTE.

400 million guns. You aren't voting them away.

I would support strict gun control measures if they can explain what we do with the 400M guns already in circulation.

Liberals want to pass feel-good gun control measures that read like "thots and prayers." Now that we don't even have effective police enforcement, I wouldn't want normal people to give up their guns. You can make law abiding citizens give up guns while also refusing to enforce laws against dangerous criminals.

PP, please respond which gun safety measure you would support. A simple Y/N is fine
1. No more police auctioning off guns. Melt down guns used in crime.
2. Require licensing including taking a gun safety class
3. Require safe storage
4. Universal mental health background screenings
5. Gun insurance (to prevent property)
6. Red flag laws
7. Raise age of gun ownership to 21. Start with rapid fire assault then move yo long guns, pistols.

I'd add a few more, like
- Mandatory reporting of the details of the gun when any sale or transfer of guns or gun parts is made, whether retail or private, which goes into a persistent, searchable national database so that guns used in crimes can be traced to find the source
- Mandatory reporting of the details of the gun or gun part if someone is manufacturing them (to include home 3d printing or cnc machining)
- Require all gun owners to carry insurance, to cover costs of loss and suffering of people killed and injured in shootings
- Significant and serious felon penalties for non-compliance on reporting (bullets above) or for not carrying insurance, significant penalties if for example you bought 5 guns, one of them turns up in a crime, and you didn't report how it came to be that it's no longer in your possession or who it went to.
- Red flags for domestic violence, anger management issues, impulse control issues

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Anonymous wrote:Too many people are willingly misreading the Second Amendment and voting in equally ignorant people. 2E calls for a "well-regulated militia." At some point this became the idea that unregulated, unfettered access to guns of all types is a Constitutional right. A significant portion of our population really believes that's what the 2E says.
We the people won't be free of gun violence until we can overcome the ignorance, the intentional misunderstandings, the crazy conspiracy ideas that so many believe in. And that won't happen without a well-educated public, which in itself can't happen without Republican buy-in to strong public schools. For now, our best bet is to use our VOTE.

400 million guns. You aren't voting them away.

I would support strict gun control measures if they can explain what we do with the 400M guns already in circulation.

Liberals want to pass feel-good gun control measures that read like "thots and prayers." Now that we don't even have effective police enforcement, I wouldn't want normal people to give up their guns. You can make law abiding citizens give up guns while also refusing to enforce laws against dangerous criminals.

PP, please respond which gun safety measure you would support. A simple Y/N is fine
1. No more police auctioning off guns. Melt down guns used in crime.
2. Require licensing including taking a gun safety class
3. Require safe storage
4. Universal mental health background screenings
5. Gun insurance (to prevent property)
6. Red flag laws
7. Raise age of gun ownership to 21. Start with rapid fire assault then move yo long guns, pistols.

What if victims of gun violence could sue gun manufacturers?

Anonymous wrote:What’s sickening is cops who aren’t allowed to enforce the laws. Or when they do, the perp is immediately let out, so why bother?

If you want to support cops, you reduce guns.

EVERYONE should watch this. Yes, it's Jon Stewart, not the nightly news. But his point is made and made well:

https://youtu.be/tCuIxIJBfCY

Anonymous wrote:You gun appologists are trading our sons and daughters lives for your freedom.

I hope it is worth it when it hits home, because it will.

+2. Blood is on your hands.

Anonymous wrote:Now for the big question. Canada or Mexico?

Before you answer, remember how you love multiculturalism

You're the most Unamerican person on here. We do not have to leave the country to criticize it. We have that right.

You gun appologists are trading our sons and daughters lives for your freedom.

I hope it is worth it when it hits home, because it will.

Anonymous wrote:What’s sickening is cops who aren’t allowed to enforce the laws. Or when they do, the perp is immediately let out, so why bother?

Having innocent kids faces blown off isn't sickeningly at all to you I guess.

How many perps have been let out after doing this?

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Anonymous wrote:Second unconfirmed name is Mauricio Garcia. We should know within the hour.

His name could be Mickey Mouse for all I care. His name is not the issue. It’s the fact that guns are so easily accessible in this country. Stop trying to change the subject.

Do I have to file a form 4473 and undergo a background check to buy an SUV? A knife? A crack pipe?

Yes, to buy an SUV you do need to do a background check - a credit check. And you have to have insurance. And you have to register the car with the state you live in. And if you sell the car you have to do the legal paperwork so that the state is notified. And you have to have a driver's license that you took a class and then test to get and that needs to be renewed every so often, including with an eye exam. And if you have any relevant disabilities they are noted on your license or that you need to wear glasses, for example.

That would be great to subject gun ownership to the same level of scrutiny. All for it. Thanks for suggesting it.

pfft. I don't know what you're talking about. You don't need any of those things.

I can drive witbout a license or insurance. No credit check - pay cash. It's done all the damn time.

Sure you can do that. And you can buy a rifle and mow down a bunch of children in under a few minutes. It's done all the time.

What’s sickening is cops who aren’t allowed to enforce the laws. Or when they do, the perp is immediately let out, so why bother?