Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 07:40     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it appropriate for an educator to tell an elementary school child to walk at the end of the line for the final quarter of school because they are sick of telling them to stop talking in line?



There's is nothing wrong with this per se. The only slight problem is that it is too absolute and allows no chance for redemption/improvement... they are just stuck at the end of the line for the rest of the year.


So? Teachers have lost pretty much all disciplinary options. I bet she’s told this kid to stop the talking for months. Everyone has their limits. The OP is why teachers are quitting. I had a talker and I told the teachers to be harder in him. He learned through quick enforcement of the rules with appropriate consequences.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 07:37     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
As a high school teacher OP becomes the same parent who I call home to all year about their student skipping and not completing work and then in May is losing her mind that he’s failing and I won’t just pass him. Fascinating to see how early the lack of accountability starts.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 07:33     Subject: Re:Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't like punishments like this, especially for younger elementary kids. It's meant to break them. I understand why a kid who always talks when they are told not to is a problem for a teacher, but in an ideal world, we wouldn't be looking for ways to silence exuberant and social children.

But then I hate traditional school models and I love talkative, silly kids.

Agree with the PP who said elementary school sucks. I had forgotten how much it sucks, until I had a kid in one. It's the pits! Wish I could afford to send my kid to a school where they had class outside all the time and running and talking were encouraged.


You’re ridiculous. There are 1000 things wrong with schooling in general, but learning that there is a time and place for volume is something that any child must (should) do. School is certainly the appropriate place to teach it, and you should be reinforcing that at home.

Do you think it’s okay to encourage running and screeching in hotel rooms? Do you like your children to use loud and exuberant voices in the hallway when their elderly grandparent is napping in an adjacent room? Do you smile indulgently while your child’s talking wakes a sleeping baby? Or when your child is being “exuberant” in the public library while people are trying to read? If so, YOU are the problem.

There is a time and place for everything. Kids can be louder in the cafeteria and at recess and in PE and even in the classroom. But teachers are trying to teach and kids are trying to learn. There is no talking in the hallways. This was the rule at the dawn of time when I was in elementary school, too. Be a damn grown up and raise your kid to have some consideration for others.


At my kid's school they aren't allowed to talk in the cafeteria at lunchtime and they can't talk to each other during PE or very much in the classroom unless it's to discuss a designated assignment. The only time kids are allowed to talk freely to each other is during recess. So it doesn't surprise me that kids are constantly trying to chat in the hallways or during class -- they get very little time to socialize.

Sometimes the problem is the kid won't follow the rules. Sometimes the problem is the rules.


They are not allowed to talk at lunchtime because they get way too loud and other attempts to lower the volume have failed.

My DS tells me that they do a lot of group projects and work at school. The kids can talk during those times. I would bet that they are talking about the project/work as well as whatever else they are interested in. We don’t get many reports home from the Teacher about DS or about his class as a whole which makes me think that they stay on task for the most part and the extra talking is not over the top. DS has a friend in a different class whose parents talk about all the emails home about behavior, talking, and constant correction. The parents used those emails as part of their reason to have their child moved into my kids classroom. They say it is night and day different in terms of behavior.

Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 07:29     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Y’all complain that there’s no discipline anymore, then y’all complain when your kid gets disciplined.

Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 07:10     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it appropriate for an educator to tell an elementary school child to walk at the end of the line for the final quarter of school because they are sick of telling them to stop talking in line?


How do you respond when your child ignores your requests?


Haha most of these “constant irritation” behaviors that exist are also seen at home with the kids also disrespecting their parents.

Sometimes I think people here have completely forgotten what school is like. They actually think it’s OK for their kid to be constantly disobeying.


I'm a parent of a talker and I don't accept my kid constantly disobeying, but I do recognize that she often isn't "disobeying" so much as she's struggling with a rule. I could absolutely see this happening to her. Personally, I would try to reframe it as "the teacher is trying to help you remember not to talk in the hallways because sometimes it's hard to remember -- if you are behind everyone, it will be easier to remember because there will be fewer kids around you to talk to." So not even as a punishment, but as a way to facilitate her following the rule.

I think if the teacher framed it as a punishment, leading the kid to feel shamed by it, that was a mistake on the teacher's part. Kids are super sensitive to shame and punishment and it often distracts from the lesson you want to teach. It really works best if you can find a way to be on the same side as the kid ("how do we solve this problem together") and then invite them to join you in the solution, instead of administering a punishment. It empowers kids to *choose* to behave, and to see you as an ally in that happening.

Parenting/teaching is much easier if you don't view yourself as in opposition to the child all the time. I get annoyed with teachers who still haven't figured this out. Sure, it takes more work up front to take the approach I just outlined, but you get better results in the long run. Your kids need to see you as an ally and resource, not a dictator due for an uprising.


As a teacher I don’t. But there is an expectation that self control is used. Every human being needs self control. I give lots of time to talk and socialize so I expect 5 minutes of non talking during group lessons or walking in the hallway.
Anonymous
Post 05/02/2023 23:08     Subject: Re:Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:I don't like punishments like this, especially for younger elementary kids. It's meant to break them. I understand why a kid who always talks when they are told not to is a problem for a teacher, but in an ideal world, we wouldn't be looking for ways to silence exuberant and social children.

But then I hate traditional school models and I love talkative, silly kids.

Agree with the PP who said elementary school sucks. I had forgotten how much it sucks, until I had a kid in one. It's the pits! Wish I could afford to send my kid to a school where they had class outside all the time and running and talking were encouraged.


Traditional schools aren’t really meant for talkative silly kids, because those children are constantly disrupting learning.
Anonymous
Post 05/02/2023 23:00     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Oh dear, I know exactly what kind of parent you are, and my friend you are exhausting!!!
Anonymous
Post 05/02/2023 22:56     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it appropriate for an educator to tell an elementary school child to walk at the end of the line for the final quarter of school because they are sick of telling them to stop talking in line?



There's is nothing wrong with this per se. The only slight problem is that it is too absolute and allows no chance for redemption/improvement... they are just stuck at the end of the line for the rest of the year.


It's a line. Its sole purpose is to get the kids from one room to another one. It lasts all of two minutes max. Why is this a big deal?
Anonymous
Post 05/02/2023 22:55     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:OP here. Had taken that approach, but it seems like a rather severe immutable punishment for...talking in the hallways. If a child punches someone, which most would agree is a far more serious behavioral matter, are they given 3 months of daily punishment?

DD says they feel some kids are now treating them differently due to this.


It's walking last in line, it's not being spanked. Get over it.
Anonymous
Post 05/02/2023 22:51     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
I was a constant talker and I am the parent of one as well. I support the solution because sometimes there is NOTHING the teacher or kid can do. I think it’s more shaming / damaging for the kid to be scolded daily than to be moved to a place where it’s less disruptive.

For all the pearl clutching parents of angel snowflakes - do you even have an elementary age child? They are loud. Have you been in a school with one? Brick walls, linoleum floors - sound echoes. It’s important to be quiet to avoid disturbing other classes they walk past. This is a reasonable behavior most kids can master part way through kindergarten. MOST. For those that can’t, changing up line order is an effective tool.
Anonymous
Post 05/02/2023 22:41     Subject: Re:Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't like punishments like this, especially for younger elementary kids. It's meant to break them. I understand why a kid who always talks when they are told not to is a problem for a teacher, but in an ideal world, we wouldn't be looking for ways to silence exuberant and social children.

But then I hate traditional school models and I love talkative, silly kids.

Agree with the PP who said elementary school sucks. I had forgotten how much it sucks, until I had a kid in one. It's the pits! Wish I could afford to send my kid to a school where they had class outside all the time and running and talking were encouraged.


You’re ridiculous. There are 1000 things wrong with schooling in general, but learning that there is a time and place for volume is something that any child must (should) do. School is certainly the appropriate place to teach it, and you should be reinforcing that at home.

Do you think it’s okay to encourage running and screeching in hotel rooms? Do you like your children to use loud and exuberant voices in the hallway when their elderly grandparent is napping in an adjacent room? Do you smile indulgently while your child’s talking wakes a sleeping baby? Or when your child is being “exuberant” in the public library while people are trying to read? If so, YOU are the problem.

There is a time and place for everything. Kids can be louder in the cafeteria and at recess and in PE and even in the classroom. But teachers are trying to teach and kids are trying to learn. There is no talking in the hallways. This was the rule at the dawn of time when I was in elementary school, too. Be a damn grown up and raise your kid to have some consideration for others.


At my kid's school they aren't allowed to talk in the cafeteria at lunchtime and they can't talk to each other during PE or very much in the classroom unless it's to discuss a designated assignment. The only time kids are allowed to talk freely to each other is during recess. So it doesn't surprise me that kids are constantly trying to chat in the hallways or during class -- they get very little time to socialize.

Sometimes the problem is the kid won't follow the rules. Sometimes the problem is the rules.
Anonymous
Post 05/02/2023 22:37     Subject: Re:Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:I don't like punishments like this, especially for younger elementary kids. It's meant to break them. I understand why a kid who always talks when they are told not to is a problem for a teacher, but in an ideal world, we wouldn't be looking for ways to silence exuberant and social children.

But then I hate traditional school models and I love talkative, silly kids.

Agree with the PP who said elementary school sucks. I had forgotten how much it sucks, until I had a kid in one. It's the pits! Wish I could afford to send my kid to a school where they had class outside all the time and running and talking were encouraged.


You’re ridiculous. There are 1000 things wrong with schooling in general, but learning that there is a time and place for volume is something that any child must (should) do. School is certainly the appropriate place to teach it, and you should be reinforcing that at home.

Do you think it’s okay to encourage running and screeching in hotel rooms? Do you like your children to use loud and exuberant voices in the hallway when their elderly grandparent is napping in an adjacent room? Do you smile indulgently while your child’s talking wakes a sleeping baby? Or when your child is being “exuberant” in the public library while people are trying to read? If so, YOU are the problem.

There is a time and place for everything. Kids can be louder in the cafeteria and at recess and in PE and even in the classroom. But teachers are trying to teach and kids are trying to learn. There is no talking in the hallways. This was the rule at the dawn of time when I was in elementary school, too. Be a damn grown up and raise your kid to have some consideration for others.
Anonymous
Post 05/02/2023 22:26     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it appropriate for an educator to tell an elementary school child to walk at the end of the line for the final quarter of school because they are sick of telling them to stop talking in line?



Theirs is nothing wrong with this per se. The only slight problem is that it is too absolute and allows no chance for redemption/improvement... they are just stuck at the end of the line for the rest of the year.


They have had 3/4 of the year to improve. They have not. The teacher is trying to get through the year without quitting. Your kid needs to shut up and behave properly. Do better.
Anonymous
Post 05/02/2023 22:24     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it appropriate for an educator to tell an elementary school child to walk at the end of the line for the final quarter of school because they are sick of telling them to stop talking in line?



I do not like that the teacher went out of her way to embarrass a child with a punishment that she deemed humiliating


The teacher is not responsible for your child’s reaction to a very reasonable consequence for CONSTANT disreipuve behavior in the hallway.

What your child should heel ashamed of is her behavior. Work on that. Do not focus on criticizing the teacher. Help your child to do better.
Anonymous
Post 05/02/2023 22:18     Subject: Re:Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't like punishments like this, especially for younger elementary kids. It's meant to break them. I understand why a kid who always talks when they are told not to is a problem for a teacher, but in an ideal world, we wouldn't be looking for ways to silence exuberant and social children.

But then I hate traditional school models and I love talkative, silly kids.

Agree with the PP who said elementary school sucks. I had forgotten how much it sucks, until I had a kid in one. It's the pits! Wish I could afford to send my kid to a school where they had class outside all the time and running and talking were encouraged.


There is no school like that. Just homeschool


That's kind of what Waldorf school is like sometimes. And then they go inside and practice their cursive. But first, running and talking.