Anonymous
05/04/2023 10:08
Subject: Covid vax mandates over for Fed employees; time for all colleges to end them as well
Boosters can help those suffering from long COVID - https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/vaccines-long-covid
"As more people get vaccinated, a surprise discovery has been that the vaccines seem to provide relief for some patients with what’s being called “long COVID” (when symptoms linger for weeks or even months). "
But boosters do not help everyone with long COVID and in some cases after a booster their conditions can get worse. - In a recent review in the journal The Lancet e-Clinical Medicine, an international team of researchers looked at 11 studies that sought to find out if vaccines affected long COVID symptoms. Seven of those studies found that people’s symptoms improved after they were vaccinated, and four found that symptoms mostly remained the same. One found symptoms got worse in some patients.
"As more people get vaccinated, a surprise discovery has been that the vaccines seem to provide relief for some patients with what’s being called “long COVID” (when symptoms linger for weeks or even months). "
But boosters do not help everyone with long COVID and in some cases after a booster their conditions can get worse. - In a recent review in the journal The Lancet e-Clinical Medicine, an international team of researchers looked at 11 studies that sought to find out if vaccines affected long COVID symptoms. Seven of those studies found that people’s symptoms improved after they were vaccinated, and four found that symptoms mostly remained the same. One found symptoms got worse in some patients.
Anonymous
05/04/2023 09:48
Subject: Covid vax mandates over for Fed employees; time for all colleges to end them as well
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Colleges have always had vaccination requirements for communicable diseases. I went back for grad school after time away and they asked for proof of my chicken pox vaccine. I had chicken pox, I had to have a blood titer to prove I didn’t need the vaccine. I did get the meningitis vaccine. I think the covid vaccine will live on at universities.
+1
There's a difference between requirements when a large group of people are living together than just working somewhere. Colleges have long had stricter vaccine requirements of all sorts to avoid outbreaks that overwhelm their health services.
+1
Many anti-vaxers just refuse to acknowledge the fact that viruses spread in populations that are living together, like at colleges. And the anti-vaxers here love to bray about how vaccines "don't prevent or slow transmission" without addressing the fact that vaccines do reduce the severity of Covid cases. They insist that Covid poses (as one PP here claimed) "zero risk" to young adults who get it. It's the "Covid's only a bad cold" theory. My college student DC knows other students who have had it and yes, they had much more than a cold, and one now seems to have long Covid symptoms. At DC's college, students themselves are all about vaccination and many students choose to mask up indoors in group settings--I've seen it first-hand as recently as two weeks ago on a visit.
They don't see it as being paranoid etc. They don't get all worked up and shrill over vaccines or masks in some circumstances. These college students are more mature and more informed than many a so-called adult posting on DCUM.
Omicron is much milder than earlier variants. In a recent study done at Cleveland Clinic, they were unable to determine whether the bivalent helped reduce the severity of covid or not because there were too few people getting severe cases to be able to tell. (Their survey included both vaxxed and unvaxxed individuals.) Young adults face almost no risk of serious complications but do have the highest risk of myocarditis post-second dose of the vaccine. That is why many European countries no longer provide covid vaccinations to youth, deciding that the risks exceed the potential benefits.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.12.17.22283625v1.full
"There were too few severe illnesses for the study to be able to determine if the vaccine decreased severity of illness."
Anonymous
05/04/2023 09:41
Subject: Covid vax mandates over for Fed employees; time for all colleges to end them as well
Anonymous wrote:Quote above is mostly true. Vaccine and/or booster does not prevent someone from getting COVID.
Recent studies have shown that getting a booster can help those with long COVID, but others have no change and some get worse.
Ignorance on display.
The flu vaccine does not prevent anyone from getting flu, either.
What both vaccines do is reduce the severity of the illness if one is infected. But I figure you might be in the "Covid isn't a serious illness, it's merely a cold" camp and won't be convinced that we still don't know whether a person's outcome might be nothing much, or a more severe case.
And you're trying to imply above that getting a booster means "some get worse" --due to the booster? Citations, please. Not from inside your head or Newsmax; from an actual medical source. And you do know that correlation is not equal to causation, right? Someone getting worse after a booster does not translate into "The booster caused this."
Anonymous
05/04/2023 09:34
Subject: Covid vax mandates over for Fed employees; time for all colleges to end them as well
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Colleges have always had vaccination requirements for communicable diseases. I went back for grad school after time away and they asked for proof of my chicken pox vaccine. I had chicken pox, I had to have a blood titer to prove I didn’t need the vaccine. I did get the meningitis vaccine. I think the covid vaccine will live on at universities.
+1
There's a difference between requirements when a large group of people are living together than just working somewhere. Colleges have long had stricter vaccine requirements of all sorts to avoid outbreaks that overwhelm their health services.
+1
Many anti-vaxers just refuse to acknowledge the fact that viruses spread in populations that are living together, like at colleges. And the anti-vaxers here love to bray about how vaccines "don't prevent or slow transmission" without addressing the fact that vaccines do reduce the severity of Covid cases. They insist that Covid poses (as one PP here claimed) "zero risk" to young adults who get it. It's the "Covid's only a bad cold" theory. My college student DC knows other students who have had it and yes, they had much more than a cold, and one now seems to have long Covid symptoms. At DC's college, students themselves are all about vaccination and many students choose to mask up indoors in group settings--I've seen it first-hand as recently as two weeks ago on a visit.
They don't see it as being paranoid etc. They don't get all worked up and shrill over vaccines or masks in some circumstances. These college students are more mature and more informed than many a so-called adult posting on DCUM.
Anonymous
05/04/2023 08:42
Subject: Covid vax mandates over for Fed employees; time for all colleges to end them as well
Anonymous wrote:As an American this can be hard to accept but European countries have a much better handle on COVID.
I will break this up into sections to make it easy for people to comment/disagree.
A number of countries are now recommending boosters only for the elderly and those with compromised immune systems. Why, because unless you live by yourself on an island or have been at a research station in Antarctica you have been exposed to one or more strains and have natural immunity and in most cases "vaccine" immunity as well.
Yes, you wont' have active antibodies, but memory B and T-cells that will produce hundreds of times the antibodies provided by the booster in a few days.
Studies out of the UK show about 1 in 9,000 have a reaction to the booster shots. Yes, most mild but some serious.
For now with a healthy immune system, natural and "vaccine" immunity a booster makes no sense. When I am in my 80s and have lost B and T-cells as part of the aging process, then I will most likely need boosters twice a year if our current state of medicine were to remain.
So it is time to end mandated vaccine boosters everywhere.
Europeans are able to be a bit more clear eyed here because 1. they don’t suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome where people push for aggressive Covid vaccination policies just because it will upset MAGA people, and 2. European regulatory agencies and public health institutions aren’t captured in the same way by Pfizer and big pharma.
Anonymous
05/04/2023 07:53
Subject: Covid vax mandates over for Fed employees; time for all colleges to end them as well
Quote above is mostly true. Vaccine and/or booster does not prevent someone from getting COVID.
Recent studies have shown that getting a booster can help those with long COVID, but others have no change and some get worse.
Recent studies have shown that getting a booster can help those with long COVID, but others have no change and some get worse.
Anonymous
05/04/2023 07:22
Subject: Covid vax mandates over for Fed employees; time for all colleges to end them as well
Anonymous wrote:No indoctrinated people want to get boosters. Fact getting the vaccine and/or booster does not prevent COVID, so also will not prevent the effects of long COVID.
Tell me you’re MAGA without telling me you’re MAGA.
Anonymous
05/04/2023 07:09
Subject: Covid vax mandates over for Fed employees; time for all colleges to end them as well
As an American this can be hard to accept but European countries have a much better handle on COVID.
I will break this up into sections to make it easy for people to comment/disagree.
A number of countries are now recommending boosters only for the elderly and those with compromised immune systems. Why, because unless you live by yourself on an island or have been at a research station in Antarctica you have been exposed to one or more strains and have natural immunity and in most cases "vaccine" immunity as well.
Yes, you wont' have active antibodies, but memory B and T-cells that will produce hundreds of times the antibodies provided by the booster in a few days.
Studies out of the UK show about 1 in 9,000 have a reaction to the booster shots. Yes, most mild but some serious.
For now with a healthy immune system, natural and "vaccine" immunity a booster makes no sense. When I am in my 80s and have lost B and T-cells as part of the aging process, then I will most likely need boosters twice a year if our current state of medicine were to remain.
So it is time to end mandated vaccine boosters everywhere.
I will break this up into sections to make it easy for people to comment/disagree.
A number of countries are now recommending boosters only for the elderly and those with compromised immune systems. Why, because unless you live by yourself on an island or have been at a research station in Antarctica you have been exposed to one or more strains and have natural immunity and in most cases "vaccine" immunity as well.
Yes, you wont' have active antibodies, but memory B and T-cells that will produce hundreds of times the antibodies provided by the booster in a few days.
Studies out of the UK show about 1 in 9,000 have a reaction to the booster shots. Yes, most mild but some serious.
For now with a healthy immune system, natural and "vaccine" immunity a booster makes no sense. When I am in my 80s and have lost B and T-cells as part of the aging process, then I will most likely need boosters twice a year if our current state of medicine were to remain.
So it is time to end mandated vaccine boosters everywhere.
Anonymous
05/02/2023 22:26
Subject: Covid vax mandates over for Fed employees; time for all colleges to end them as well
Can't we just go back to mandatory facemasks and six foot distancing for everyone?
Anonymous
05/02/2023 22:19
Subject: Re:Covid vax mandates over for Fed employees; time for all colleges to end them as well
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not many 18 y/o are opposed to the vaccine. Their parents may be, but that’s very different
Are you kidding me? EVERY 18 YO male I know (and that's a lot, as I have twins that age) is opposed to the vaccine. And has no plans to get one, ever again.
Absolute anecdote aside would be curious to see how many of them have right wing parents
Anonymous
05/02/2023 22:04
Subject: Covid vax mandates over for Fed employees; time for all colleges to end them as well
Anonymous wrote:Hopefully our children will not suffer any long-term side effects from a forced “vaccine” that did not prevent young people from contracting or transmitting a disease that killed fewer children than die from allergic reaction to bee stings in a given year.
So disturbing how corrupt, incompetent and callous our public health establishment is.
Anonymous
05/02/2023 22:01
Subject: Covid vax mandates over for Fed employees; time for all colleges to end them as well
Hopefully our children will not suffer any long-term side effects from a forced “vaccine” that did not prevent young people from contracting or transmitting a disease that killed fewer children than die from allergic reaction to bee stings in a given year.
Anonymous
05/02/2023 21:42
Subject: Covid vax mandates over for Fed employees; time for all colleges to end them as well
Anonymous wrote:People that have spoken out early and held their convictions are the true heros here in my book. The fact that colleges are having a vax requirement for something that doesn't prevent transmission or infection is laughable at this point and says everything about how entrenched pharma is in our govn't. I took the first two and a booster and have nightmares with the fact that I was forced to give this crap to my kids to attend school and not have mandatory contact tracing quarantines. People that are doubling down on the vaccine because they have these same fears but dont want to acknowledge them at this point.
You are literally prohibited from giving kids the vax in a number of European countries 🤯. But in the US it’s mandatory. Outrageous
Anonymous
05/02/2023 21:27
Subject: Covid vax mandates over for Fed employees; time for all colleges to end them as well
People that have spoken out early and held their convictions are the true heros here in my book. The fact that colleges are having a vax requirement for something that doesn't prevent transmission or infection is laughable at this point and says everything about how entrenched pharma is in our govn't. I took the first two and a booster and have nightmares with the fact that I was forced to give this crap to my kids to attend school and not have mandatory contact tracing quarantines. People that are doubling down on the vaccine because they have these same fears but dont want to acknowledge them at this point.
Anonymous
05/02/2023 21:18
Subject: Re:Covid vax mandates over for Fed employees; time for all colleges to end them as well
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Let's be real here - the true reason conservatives want to end vaccine mandates is so they can have another bs culture war win. That's what this is really about
Or maybe I don’t want my perfectly healthy athlete son who already has natural immunity to be shot up with boosters for absolutely no reason- and to be basically one of the only people in the country forced to do it in order to pursue his life goals.
The natural immunity line is such BS, studies have proven it doesn't last very long. Unless your son catches COVID again by the fall, he won't have immunity any longer.
+1000
But with their attitude, it is likely their kid will have Long Covid sometime soon.
Fact is Covid is NOT always a minor thing for 18-30yo. My kid got covid in 2020 before vaccines, and to this day still has long covid issues. Fact is they still have health issues---previously healthy 24 yo can now only exercise for 15 mins before being completely exhausted (and that's a huge improvement in the last 2.5 years). Previously could play Basketball and other sports for 2-3 hours with friends.
DOn't like the rules, your kid is free to select somewhere else to attend. Plenty of schools in the Red states without any vaccine requirements, so select one there that suites your kids desires.
Nobody is forcing you to get a vaccine.
The colleges can impose the mandates, I suppose. And people can point out that there's no logic behind the mandate. The vaccines don't prevent transmission, so what's the point of requiring them, other than paternalism? Our universities are supposed to be more thoughtful and logical than that.
No one wants to prevent people from getting the vaccine. People like me just don't want to impose the covid vaccines on others, especially not healthy young people.
No one is forcing your kid to go to said school and hence the vaccine is not compulsary. They can choose a different school, problem solved.
What kind of moron argues like this? It’s like telling black people in the 1960s if they didn’t like Jim Crow to move north, problem solved. People have a right to object to policies of institutions that affect their lives.