And sure there are non religious judgmental people but this is your only argument. No one is saying there isn’t. Religion doesn’t fix temptation. Actions do.

Religious people are some of the most judgmental of all. Just look at the evangelicals who have photos of guns and Christmas trees together. I can think of 1000 examples right now. It isn't just "one person”. They think they have some rule book and are the chosen people and don’t watch what they do as a result. They dismiss others and do anything from disregarding them to killing them. In fact all of Jesus’s ministry was about this with the Pharisees. This issue has been going on since the beginning of time. They think because this new person is in their life and bringing them joy they are called to be with them. They equate joy with religion and don’t realize it’s just their earthly desires for money or sex or whatever. There is a name for Christian money one. It’s called the prosperity gospel teaching. How about the Taliban? Just following their religion right? Stories of sex with kids left and right. There is nothing religious about them that is worthwhile on this earth to bring peace to all. This has been a major issue with religion since the beginning of time. Self righteous piety and fake piety. Partly why there are so many religions. Everyone is looking for a fix from sin.

Romans 3:10-12
New International Version
10 As it is written:

“There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”

If you know any religious people who think they are holy, you are either lying; or the religious people you know are probably larping as Christians.

Don’t judge all religious people based off a jerk you know that is using religion to justify sin, especially if it’s your family member.

Anonymous wrote:Maybe it’s just that they think all this work justifies them as more holy than others and want to rationalize the need to be so fervent but the problem is that they take their eye off earthly relationships and don’t really pay attention to what they are doing in them anymore.

No one is holy but God.

What religious people claim to be holy? What is the church they attend?

Any Christians, any Jewish people, any Muslims: never have I heard any adherent of the aforementioned religion claim to be “holy.”

It’s weird because religious people do not describe themselves as holy.

Maybe it’s just that they think all this work justifies them as more holy than others and want to rationalize the need to be so fervent but the problem is that they take their eye off earthly relationships and don’t really pay attention to what they are doing in them anymore.

Religion can do that to some people though. They start to live in their mind and think themselves more holy and then don’t really pay attention to what they do. They start not really seeing their own sin. It kind of reminds me of the person who is so lovestruck they don’t realize how much they are changing their life for this new person and all of it not always good. My family always said don’t try to be more holy than the pope and I think that was a way of saying watch your own judgements and activities and don’t worry about others. Regarding this person who thinks their wife isn’t holy enough for them anymore, God is all we need to get to heaven. It’s your actions and thoughts that he sees. There is even a story like this in the Bible. Josiah I think where he marries someone who becomes an adulteress and leaves the home and he lets her till she apologizes and comes home and really works on being a better person.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are things you earn when you're religious, things to which you're entitled. If you're devout and give to your church and you work for the right type of things, then you deserve the best situation possible.

Ideally the wife steps up to the plate with you, and you both partner with each other in devotion. But sometimes the wife just isn't so worthy, or doesn't step up in her faith, or maybe gets distracted with day to day life.

Other times the wife does good, but you are SO good that you are just an inspiration and deserve opportunities that you didn't have starting out.

Point being the notion of "cheating" is complex. Sometimes you marry someone at one stage of life, and then your faith deepens and your profile grows and you're just suited to be with women you never would have been with before. So are you supposed to deny yourself and say no to God when you meet someone so lovely and you have been such a wonderful devotee and warrior for God?

I think not. I pray not. I know not.

Wtf

Seriously. More like deepening of selfishness than faith.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are things you earn when you're religious, things to which you're entitled. If you're devout and give to your church and you work for the right type of things, then you deserve the best situation possible.

Ideally the wife steps up to the plate with you, and you both partner with each other in devotion. But sometimes the wife just isn't so worthy, or doesn't step up in her faith, or maybe gets distracted with day to day life.

Other times the wife does good, but you are SO good that you are just an inspiration and deserve opportunities that you didn't have starting out.

Point being the notion of "cheating" is complex. Sometimes you marry someone at one stage of life, and then your faith deepens and your profile grows and you're just suited to be with women you never would have been with before. So are you supposed to deny yourself and say no to God when you meet someone so lovely and you have been such a wonderful devotee and warrior for God?

I think not. I pray not. I know not.

Wtf

It's another example of religious deflection -- saying it's OK to divorce if you have evolved to be a more worthy Servant of God than your spouse.

And rationalization - making excuses for what you intend to do, knowing that it's wrong.

My very Christian sister who is single had an affair with a married man she works with. When she told me about it, she kept repeating that it was "such a blessing" the they didn't have vaginal intercourse. What she meant by this was that God was watching out for her and made sure that they didn't cross that "sacred" line. But she and her co-worker were physical in all other ways, and emotionally involved. He had a newborn child and he and his wife were Catholic.

It doesn't surprise me that religious people have affairs (it's no more hypocritical than a non-religious person has an affair, even though they believe affairs are wrong) -- they're like anyone else, and can use their own belief systems to justify what they do.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are things you earn when you're religious, things to which you're entitled. If you're devout and give to your church and you work for the right type of things, then you deserve the best situation possible.

Ideally the wife steps up to the plate with you, and you both partner with each other in devotion. But sometimes the wife just isn't so worthy, or doesn't step up in her faith, or maybe gets distracted with day to day life.

Other times the wife does good, but you are SO good that you are just an inspiration and deserve opportunities that you didn't have starting out.

Point being the notion of "cheating" is complex. Sometimes you marry someone at one stage of life, and then your faith deepens and your profile grows and you're just suited to be with women you never would have been with before. So are you supposed to deny yourself and say no to God when you meet someone so lovely and you have been such a wonderful devotee and warrior for God?

I think not. I pray not. I know not.

Wtf

It's another example of religious deflection -- saying it's OK to divorce if you have evolved to be a more worthy Servant of God than your spouse.

Anonymous wrote:There are things you earn when you're religious, things to which you're entitled. If you're devout and give to your church and you work for the right type of things, then you deserve the best situation possible.

Ideally the wife steps up to the plate with you, and you both partner with each other in devotion. But sometimes the wife just isn't so worthy, or doesn't step up in her faith, or maybe gets distracted with day to day life.

Other times the wife does good, but you are SO good that you are just an inspiration and deserve opportunities that you didn't have starting out.

Point being the notion of "cheating" is complex. Sometimes you marry someone at one stage of life, and then your faith deepens and your profile grows and you're just suited to be with women you never would have been with before. So are you supposed to deny yourself and say no to God when you meet someone so lovely and you have been such a wonderful devotee and warrior for God?

I think not. I pray not. I know not.

Wtf

There are things you earn when you're religious, things to which you're entitled. If you're devout and give to your church and you work for the right type of things, then you deserve the best situation possible.

Ideally the wife steps up to the plate with you, and you both partner with each other in devotion. But sometimes the wife just isn't so worthy, or doesn't step up in her faith, or maybe gets distracted with day to day life.

Other times the wife does good, but you are SO good that you are just an inspiration and deserve opportunities that you didn't have starting out.

Point being the notion of "cheating" is complex. Sometimes you marry someone at one stage of life, and then your faith deepens and your profile grows and you're just suited to be with women you never would have been with before. So are you supposed to deny yourself and say no to God when you meet someone so lovely and you have been such a wonderful devotee and warrior for God?

I think not. I pray not. I know not.

Anonymous wrote:My experience married to a closeted gay man was that he rationalizes the cheating as something he had to hide because of church and didn’t know he could live freely in his life. He rationalized that I wasn’t always the best wife to him as if it would matter. He realized he has a problem and prayed to God about it. I ceased to exist as a person and his life became that of an addict seeking God to help him with this issue. I was basically forgotten about and if remembered it was only to tell me how I didn’t read the Bible enough. You know while taking care of the family while he was busy going back and forth from reading the Bible to having sex with others all over the dmv. He actually met a lot of men in church. I think they compartmentalized it that they gave their wives children and supported the family and so this was just something they did to bond with other men on the side. They rationalized that the religion didn’t care that much about sex.

Your husband lied to you and himself and the church. God didn’t want you to be abused in that way. You are not a tool for your husband to hide his identity and feelings. He should not have done that to you.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most "religious people" are religious on Saturday or Sunday, M-F not so much. Oh and they like to be "religious" when they catch someone else doing something 'wrong'.

Speak for yourself-but feel free to make generalizations about most religious people as hypocrites?

Can you point to a study where over 50% of religious people follow all the rules seven days a week?

No, I don’t know of any studies that state what percentage of religious people follow the “rules” of their religion.

I would not ask you for any proof in studies that show any segment of any populace follow the moral rules of western society and culture. I don’t know if those studies exist. We have criminal statistics that show things like that, I guess, if that’s what you mean?

Who knows if religious or non religious people lie? Commit adultery? Are their studies about Jewish people who don’t keep kosher, or sabbath? Evangelicals who don’t try to evangelize? I don’t know how academia and scholarship tracks such things? That would be impossible.

Christians, if they claim to be , have a personal relationship with Christ. He holds us accountable no matter what. We can’t hide from Him. If we so choose, we can wear a cross, go to church each week, pray and say we are not sinners because we’ve been cleansed by His Blood- whatever. But if we sin and don’t follow his commandments- He knows. Eventually we will die, and stand before Him. We will be judged and found wanting. That’s reality for Christians. He won’t be fooled. How mortal man can study that process, good luck. It’s not something you or I control.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most "religious people" are religious on Saturday or Sunday, M-F not so much. Oh and they like to be "religious" when they catch someone else doing something 'wrong'.

Speak for yourself-but feel free to make generalizations about most religious people as hypocrites?

Can you point to a study where over 50% of religious people follow all the rules seven days a week?