Anonymous
04/07/2023 17:06
Subject: Jackson Reed - why do their public presentations not talk about APs?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Transplant_1 wrote:When my son was receiving very low marks on various things in math in Aspen, I had to send several emails, CC in the vice principal, then the principal for my son to get his work back marked up with what he got wrong, so that at the least we could look at it, see what he didn't understand, and learn.
when this occurred with my child, I set up a meeting with teacher and child that I attended. This isn’t the principal’s job. It’s your kid’s job, which he is failing at so you facilitate talking with the teacher. Why would you waste the principal’s time?
presumably PP was unsuccessful in contacting the teacher.
Of all the things that confuse me, the attitude towards correcting homework and giving feedback is one of the biggest ones. How are kids supposed to learn if they cannot make a clear connection between their effort in studying and the outcomes?
Probably because she is one of many moms sending email about kid’s poor performance and offloading the responsibility to teachers and principals. Meeting in person and discussing kid’s failures to study and the need for grades work to identify the problems, puts the ownership on the student with teacher identifying the value of graded homework/exams. Emails are cheap and easy but in-person drives points home. I did it once. Kid handled everything the rest of his time at Deal. It also established that “teacher doesn’t give feedback” is no longer a valid excuse for failure.
Ok so you did the same thing except by demanding an in-person meeting, and that makes you superior? Also of course failure to provide feedback hurts a child’s ability to succeed. I’m not at all sure what you are trying to say.
Anonymous
04/07/2023 14:28
Subject: Jackson Reed - why do their public presentations not talk about APs?
Anonymous wrote:Yes, and let’s not forget, since dcps made the great decision to eliminate the admissions test at walks, every single point matters for your middle school grades. All of a sudden an A-minus is a big deal. So principals and teachers should not be surprised when both students and parents advocate.
Sorry, how does this apply to JR?
Anonymous
04/07/2023 14:04
Subject: Jackson Reed - why do their public presentations not talk about APs?
Yes, and let’s not forget, since dcps made the great decision to eliminate the admissions test at walks, every single point matters for your middle school grades. All of a sudden an A-minus is a big deal. So principals and teachers should not be surprised when both students and parents advocate.
Anonymous
04/07/2023 13:57
Subject: Jackson Reed - why do their public presentations not talk about APs?
Transplant_1 wrote:My child is at Deal, and one thing I notice, is that non-consistency, confusion, lack of communication / clarity, is often explained away with "students need to learn to self-advocated and organize." I don't deny they need to learn this, and would have to in any public school. But it seems just too much. It seems there just aren't enough rescources to create clarity, consistency, etc. Just look at the difference between the website of JR and a high school in MoCo, Fairfax, Arlington. Also, I find, that as a parent, if you are trying to support your child -- either with organization, trying to help them develop montivation for challenge, etc -- the lack of communication/clarity puts you as the parent in a difficult position with nothing to "hold onto" to "grab onto." And this is not about being an overbearing parent, or about letting the kids figure it out or self-advocate. This is about, parents guiding children about the importance of school, until they are at the point of really understanding it themselves. For example, if I let my children "guide themselves" - they would eat sugary junk all day. Same thing with school - if I let my child guide themselves, they would try to do as little as possble. This is where I find the biggest difficult with DCPS's under resource, under communciation, under organization. That as a parent -- no matter what color - if you want to support your child until they can do it on their own, it is very very hard.
1000 PERCENT!
Transplant_1
04/07/2023 13:47
Subject: Jackson Reed - why do their public presentations not talk about APs?
+1. Bingo
Anonymous
04/07/2023 13:13
Subject: Jackson Reed - why do their public presentations not talk about APs?
I agree that I figured all of this out when I was in high school as well (high school counselors were useless then too), but I also had clear instructions and requirements as well as an up-to-date course list well in advance of needing to decide. And my parents COULD have helped me if I wanted to talk with them about it. Moreover, it was clear that I would very likely get whatever courses I selected and had a functional administration that could change things if I wanted to. DCPS seems to have none of this.
Anonymous
04/07/2023 13:07
Subject: Jackson Reed - why do their public presentations not talk about APs?
Transplant_1 wrote:Not all teachers are like this. My son's science teacher is outstanding with return work marked up in a timely manner. His english and social studies teacher also return work with comment. Again, it's the brazen inconsistency, in the name of self-advocacy.
Please stop. This is not an issue about JR. Head over to the FCPS forum or the MoCo forum. There are parents there complaining as well. Some hs teachers are great and some are less than stellar.
Anonymous
04/07/2023 13:06
Subject: Jackson Reed - why do their public presentations not talk about APs?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Transplant_1 wrote:When my son was receiving very low marks on various things in math in Aspen, I had to send several emails, CC in the vice principal, then the principal for my son to get his work back marked up with what he got wrong, so that at the least we could look at it, see what he didn't understand, and learn.
when this occurred with my child, I set up a meeting with teacher and child that I attended. This isn’t the principal’s job. It’s your kid’s job, which he is failing at so you facilitate talking with the teacher. Why would you waste the principal’s time?
presumably PP was unsuccessful in contacting the teacher.
Of all the things that confuse me, the attitude towards correcting homework and giving feedback is one of the biggest ones. How are kids supposed to learn if they cannot make a clear connection between their effort in studying and the outcomes?
Probably because she is one of many moms sending email about kid’s poor performance and offloading the responsibility to teachers and principals. Meeting in person and discussing kid’s failures to study and the need for grades work to identify the problems, puts the ownership on the student with teacher identifying the value of graded homework/exams. Emails are cheap and easy but in-person drives points home. I did it once. Kid handled everything the rest of his time at Deal. It also established that “teacher doesn’t give feedback” is no longer a valid excuse for failure.
Transplant_1
04/07/2023 13:05
Subject: Jackson Reed - why do their public presentations not talk about APs?
Not all teachers are like this. My son's science teacher is outstanding with return work marked up in a timely manner. His english and social studies teacher also return work with comment. Again, it's the brazen inconsistency, in the name of self-advocacy.
Transplant_1
04/07/2023 13:03
Subject: Jackson Reed - why do their public presentations not talk about APs?
Again, I think some parents and staff justify under-communication, organization, consistency, as kids needing to learn to self-advocate. But yet, in the rest of our adult lives, we like some level of clear communcation, consistency, clarity, etc.
Transplant_1
04/07/2023 13:02
Subject: Re:Jackson Reed - why do their public presentations not talk about APs?
Math teacher did not return work to any of the children. My child had asked him for his. The math teacher didn't return. In the math teacher's first reply to me via email, he said he doesn't bother returning work because kids throw it away or step on it. In his second reply to me via email, he said my child would have to find him during Advisory to get it. I asked a simple question - why can he not return marked up work to my kid in class. I asked another parent who has a child in the class, and she has never seen marked up return work. I think he didn't want to return it in class, so other kids wouldn't see that my kid got back his work marked up, and ask for theirs as well.
Anonymous
04/07/2023 12:53
Subject: Jackson Reed - why do their public presentations not talk about APs?
Anonymous wrote:Transplant_1 wrote:When my son was receiving very low marks on various things in math in Aspen, I had to send several emails, CC in the vice principal, then the principal for my son to get his work back marked up with what he got wrong, so that at the least we could look at it, see what he didn't understand, and learn.
when this occurred with my child, I set up a meeting with teacher and child that I attended. This isn’t the principal’s job. It’s your kid’s job, which he is failing at so you facilitate talking with the teacher. Why would you waste the principal’s time?
presumably PP was unsuccessful in contacting the teacher.
Of all the things that confuse me, the attitude towards correcting homework and giving feedback is one of the biggest ones. How are kids supposed to learn if they cannot make a clear connection between their effort in studying and the outcomes?
Anonymous
04/07/2023 12:48
Subject: Jackson Reed - why do their public presentations not talk about APs?
Transplant_1 wrote:When my son was receiving very low marks on various things in math in Aspen, I had to send several emails, CC in the vice principal, then the principal for my son to get his work back marked up with what he got wrong, so that at the least we could look at it, see what he didn't understand, and learn.
when this occurred with my child, I set up a meeting with teacher and child that I attended. This isn’t the principal’s job. It’s your kid’s job, which he is failing at so you facilitate talking with the teacher. Why would you waste the principal’s time?
Transplant_1
04/07/2023 12:18
Subject: Jackson Reed - why do their public presentations not talk about APs?
And, I've had to do the same with the Spanish teacher.
Transplant_1
04/07/2023 12:17
Subject: Jackson Reed - why do their public presentations not talk about APs?
When my son was receiving very low marks on various things in math in Aspen, I had to send several emails, CC in the vice principal, then the principal for my son to get his work back marked up with what he got wrong, so that at the least we could look at it, see what he didn't understand, and learn.