Anonymous wrote:let’s be honest - UMD has only become attractive in the last decade for in state students. It for zero prestige on a national level. It is located in an area where the air has that car pollution feel and smell. That said, if your child plans on staying in the DMV - go the cheaper route with UMD.

? T20 for CS. People in the CS industry know UMD. I mean.. one of the Google founders graduated from there.

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Anonymous wrote:For Umich, is it CS Major in COE or LSA? Both takes the similar classes with LSA has 2 year of language requirements and COE has physics, chem, and multi variables and differential eq. 128 credits needed for COE graduation and 120 for LSA. Very tough CS program. EECS280 (first real CS class) has 1450 kids. Long waiting for help in office hour. 25% will drop/fail the class or take Pass/Fail. The next class EECS 281 is another killer class. If your child has lot of programming experience, it will be good in Umich, otherwise it can easily suck in the weeder classes.

It is true, these are tough weeder classes, but kids do get A's in them and move forward through the Major or as a minor.

Not the immediate pp, but I don't think you know what you're talking about. Very few kids getting A's in those classes, and if they do they are spending lots and lots of time and energy to pass. Kids routinely fail UM math classes, and are excited if they get a C+ based on the curve. There is real thing about Michigan Math, which people despise and there was a recent article in the Michigan Daily about how to improve math. FB parents complain about it all the time. Kids are routinely suffering through math, CS, econ classes that are required. The idea that it's easy to get an A is misleading at best, laughable at worst.

Per a Reddit user who got a FOIA males in CS are graduating with GPAs just over 3.0.

DP. Not sure why you are getting upset but the PP you are responding to did not imply that it was easy to get As. Mine is a Junior and has been able to maintain an A average in the CS program. Dean's list and all that. He plays a club sport, works part-time (10-12 hrs/week), leadership role in an engineering club, consistently takes 16-18 credits and parties most weekends. There are several others like him.

However, note that U. Michigan are a bunch of tight-fisted bast**ds. You can't expect to get a penny out of them in merit aid, especially is you are not a favored demographic (White or Asian). They don't care if you are a donut-hole family. You are fighting for every ounce of merit aid.. and not getting any or getting pennies. If you are committing to UM, plan on spending the full COA.

pp to amend *the average GPA was just above a 3.0.

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Anonymous wrote:For Umich, is it CS Major in COE or LSA? Both takes the similar classes with LSA has 2 year of language requirements and COE has physics, chem, and multi variables and differential eq. 128 credits needed for COE graduation and 120 for LSA. Very tough CS program. EECS280 (first real CS class) has 1450 kids. Long waiting for help in office hour. 25% will drop/fail the class or take Pass/Fail. The next class EECS 281 is another killer class. If your child has lot of programming experience, it will be good in Umich, otherwise it can easily suck in the weeder classes.

It is true, these are tough weeder classes, but kids do get A's in them and move forward through the Major or as a minor.

Not the immediate pp, but I don't think you know what you're talking about. Very few kids getting A's in those classes, and if they do they are spending lots and lots of time and energy to pass. Kids routinely fail UM math classes, and are excited if they get a C+ based on the curve. There is real thing about Michigan Math, which people despise and there was a recent article in the Michigan Daily about how to improve math. FB parents complain about it all the time. Kids are routinely suffering through math, CS, econ classes that are required. The idea that it's easy to get an A is misleading at best, laughable at worst.

Per a Reddit user who got a FOIA males in CS are graduating with GPAs just over 3.0.

Anonymous wrote:What is the salary for a UM CS graduate vs. UMD CS graduate? At the work place MAANG in my software division, they get paid the same. I work in a group of 20 SWE and I see all of their salaries.

What's the typical range at MAANG companies for a fresh undergrad students? How many years that will take to recoup college expenses at $75K x 4 years? Should I opt to go to college for $75k vs $55k COA college?

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Anonymous wrote:Ann Arbor is an awesome college town. UMD is not.

'awesome college town' means middle of nowhere, boring, and nothing much to do. Stuck in the school.

….sounds more like UVA

What is the salary for a UM CS graduate vs. UMD CS graduate? At the work place MAANG in my software division, they get paid the same. I work in a group of 20 SWE and I see all of their salaries.

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Anonymous wrote:Ann Arbor is an awesome college town. UMD is not.

'awesome college town' means middle of nowhere, boring, and nothing much to do. Stuck in the school.

What are you talking about? Students from UMich can go to Detroit, Toronto, Chicago, etc. if they want, although there's plenty to do in Ann Arbor. Ann Arbor is not a small college town. In addition to the area immediately surrounding campus, there's everything on State Street.

let’s be honest - UMD has only become attractive in the last decade for in state students. It for zero prestige on a national level. It is located in an area where the air has that car pollution feel and smell. That said, if your child plans on staying in the DMV - go the cheaper route with UMD.

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan is miserable cold. Nothing to do outside of Ann Arbor.

Well, college park is just miserable. I’d go Michigan if I could afford it and not think twice.

We are considering UMD and other schools, but not UMichigan. We are local and know UMD is good. However, every time we drive over there the surrounding area is so unattractive compared to a college town like Ann Arbor or even Bloomington, IN. Route one is a bummer

+10. Agree. Route 1 is very depressing to us. We are considering Indiana Hutton over UMD. Waitlisted at Michigan, sadly.

Anonymous wrote:University of Michigan for in-state: Yes
University of Michigan for OOS vs. UMD college park in-state: Hell no 75K for Michigan vs. 30K for UMD

That's 140K for 4 four years at Michigan. Am I going to be able to make up that amount after graduation? The answer is likely no.

The student is from VA, so both UMD and UM are OOS.

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Anonymous wrote:Ann Arbor is an awesome college town. UMD is not.

'awesome college town' means middle of nowhere, boring, and nothing much to do. Stuck in the school.

No, it means a town that is solely focused on the university, well other than Madison that also has a state capitol.

Ann Arbor is regularly mentioned as one of the top, if not the top, college towns in the entire country. Music, sports, food, clubs, activities, there is always something going on with such a wide variety of people and interests. College Park is a school with essentially a highway running through it and not much in terms of bars and restaurants. It depends on greater DC for cultural and music activities, though it does have a nice bike path running though campus.

wide variety? more than 1 out 2 people you see are from Michigan.

in the middle of nowhere in Michigan

If you are going to be disparaging about it, then compare Ann Arbor to College Park on every metric, and Ann Arbor comes out on top, and I am not a UM alum, it is just shows your ignorance to make this claim.

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Anonymous wrote:Ann Arbor is an awesome college town. UMD is not.

'awesome college town' means middle of nowhere, boring, and nothing much to do. Stuck in the school.

No, it means a town that is solely focused on the university, well other than Madison that also has a state capitol.

Ann Arbor is regularly mentioned as one of the top, if not the top, college towns in the entire country. Music, sports, food, clubs, activities, there is always something going on with such a wide variety of people and interests. College Park is a school with essentially a highway running through it and not much in terms of bars and restaurants. It depends on greater DC for cultural and music activities, though it does have a nice bike path running though campus.

wide variety? more than 1 out 2 people you see are from Michigan.

UM is a very diverse campus with students from all over the world and across the country. UMD is no different that way.

University of Michigan for in-state: Yes
University of Michigan for OOS vs. UMD college park in-state: Hell no 75K for Michigan vs. 30K for UMD

That's 140K for 4 four years at Michigan. Am I going to be able to make up that amount after graduation? The answer is likely no.

Just how many college students do you see running out of town every weekend to go places? Don’t know about your kid, but when I was in Ann Arbor there is plenty to do on campus. I didn’t have a car Freshman year anyhow and all of my free time was taken up with studying when not at football or basketball games or the weekend parties. It is very academically rigorous so your kid needs to plan on working hard!! Plenty to offer for college students.