Anonymous
03/28/2023 14:58
Subject: Generative AI set to affect 300 million jobs across major economies
Isnt there an issue that it doesn’t understand what its saying. Its combining different information in its data base to get an answer or making stuff up if it cant find an answer (heard it has made up case law before). So it wouldn’t necessarily recognize a substance over form issue. The big question to me is how far away are we from some level of understanding. Otherwise, it seems better for things that can be developed and tested quickly/efficiently. As opposed to something that needs to right the first time or if you need to go in and check ever substantive piece of information.
Anonymous
03/28/2023 14:57
Subject: Generative AI set to affect 300 million jobs across major economies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Don't study English, Art or 'pre-law'.
Or law, or IT, or accounting, or business.
Service industries--education, nursing will probably be the last to go.
CS isn't safe unless you're top-tier because AI will program itself etc.
Government/sociology/psychology majors might be really needed to figure out policy to manage the impacts of this!
Vast majority of professors, teachers, tutors, teaching assistants etc. will be redundant and not necessary anymore. We have better, customizable virtually free 'teacher' available 24/7 anytime anywhere for almost any subject.
But someone will still have to monitor the kids.
Anonymous
03/28/2023 14:50
Subject: Re:Generative AI set to affect 300 million jobs across major economies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kid tried to use an AI to help with CompSci. Useless. She doesn't know how to ask the right questions. The AI spit out something that COULD have been right but wasn't. And she doesn't know enough to be able to tell the difference. It will be a long, long time before AI replaces any developers.
I can imagine some grunt work getting sped up but the extra QA/QC time will be a problem for a while. Possibly forever. No chance anyone would load AI generated code into a family sedan, a microwave, or a spaceship.
Written communication is not great either. Passable. Not sure how it handles anything beyond a short piece of maybe 400 or 500 words or less.
But what written communication needs to be great? As we speak, ChatGPT is creating real estate listings from MLS databases, creating company blog/twitter posts, creating advertising copy, etc. How much of this needs to be great? Yet, this is happening right now...so in some R/E office an admin is either fired or not hired, who may have spent much of their day writing R/E listing summaries.
Also, you can train these models. So, the first work product isn't great, but you have it refine it several times...and now in 10 minutes you have a perfectly usable work product that may have taken 1/2 a day to previously write.
What are the largest industries that require excellent writing? Media and entertainment, legal work, publishing, consulting, research...what are they?
Legal needs to be precise, not great. The same goes for research.
Maybe it can learn to be more precise. Everything I have seen has been pretty generalized.
We're getting multiple generations a year now, it won't take too long.
I thought it was already here....can it write a long publishable research paper or not?
Anonymous
03/28/2023 14:48
Subject: Re:Generative AI set to affect 300 million jobs across major economies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kid tried to use an AI to help with CompSci. Useless. She doesn't know how to ask the right questions. The AI spit out something that COULD have been right but wasn't. And she doesn't know enough to be able to tell the difference. It will be a long, long time before AI replaces any developers.
I can imagine some grunt work getting sped up but the extra QA/QC time will be a problem for a while. Possibly forever. No chance anyone would load AI generated code into a family sedan, a microwave, or a spaceship.
Written communication is not great either. Passable. Not sure how it handles anything beyond a short piece of maybe 400 or 500 words or less.
But what written communication needs to be great? As we speak, ChatGPT is creating real estate listings from MLS databases, creating company blog/twitter posts, creating advertising copy, etc. How much of this needs to be great? Yet, this is happening right now...so in some R/E office an admin is either fired or not hired, who may have spent much of their day writing R/E listing summaries.
Also, you can train these models. So, the first work product isn't great, but you have it refine it several times...and now in 10 minutes you have a perfectly usable work product that may have taken 1/2 a day to previously write.
What are the largest industries that require excellent writing? Media and entertainment, legal work, publishing, consulting, research...what are they?
Creative writing is actually most at risk...already, people are producing entire movie scripts with ChatGPT. News articles are being churned out with AI. There was an article about how Government Grant writers are already getting displaced by companies using ChatGPT.
Can we see some of this. Show me a movie done by AI that is worth paying to see. At least post some of these news articles.
Anonymous
03/28/2023 14:47
Subject: Re:Generative AI set to affect 300 million jobs across major economies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kid tried to use an AI to help with CompSci. Useless. She doesn't know how to ask the right questions. The AI spit out something that COULD have been right but wasn't. And she doesn't know enough to be able to tell the difference. It will be a long, long time before AI replaces any developers.
I can imagine some grunt work getting sped up but the extra QA/QC time will be a problem for a while. Possibly forever. No chance anyone would load AI generated code into a family sedan, a microwave, or a spaceship.
Written communication is not great either. Passable. Not sure how it handles anything beyond a short piece of maybe 400 or 500 words or less.
But what written communication needs to be great? As we speak, ChatGPT is creating real estate listings from MLS databases, creating company blog/twitter posts, creating advertising copy, etc. How much of this needs to be great? Yet, this is happening right now...so in some R/E office an admin is either fired or not hired, who may have spent much of their day writing R/E listing summaries.
Also, you can train these models. So, the first work product isn't great, but you have it refine it several times...and now in 10 minutes you have a perfectly usable work product that may have taken 1/2 a day to previously write.
What are the largest industries that require excellent writing? Media and entertainment, legal work, publishing, consulting, research...what are they?
Legal needs to be precise, not great. The same goes for research.
Maybe it can learn to be more precise. Everything I have seen has been pretty generalized.
We're getting multiple generations a year now, it won't take too long.
Anonymous
03/28/2023 14:46
Subject: Re:Generative AI set to affect 300 million jobs across major economies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kid tried to use an AI to help with CompSci. Useless. She doesn't know how to ask the right questions. The AI spit out something that COULD have been right but wasn't. And she doesn't know enough to be able to tell the difference. It will be a long, long time before AI replaces any developers.
I can imagine some grunt work getting sped up but the extra QA/QC time will be a problem for a while. Possibly forever. No chance anyone would load AI generated code into a family sedan, a microwave, or a spaceship.
Written communication is not great either. Passable. Not sure how it handles anything beyond a short piece of maybe 400 or 500 words or less.
But what written communication needs to be great? As we speak, ChatGPT is creating real estate listings from MLS databases, creating company blog/twitter posts, creating advertising copy, etc. How much of this needs to be great? Yet, this is happening right now...so in some R/E office an admin is either fired or not hired, who may have spent much of their day writing R/E listing summaries.
Also, you can train these models. So, the first work product isn't great, but you have it refine it several times...and now in 10 minutes you have a perfectly usable work product that may have taken 1/2 a day to previously write.
What are the largest industries that require excellent writing? Media and entertainment, legal work, publishing, consulting, research...what are they?
Creative writing is actually most at risk...already, people are producing entire movie scripts with ChatGPT. News articles are being churned out with AI. There was an article about how Government Grant writers are already getting displaced by companies using ChatGPT.
Anonymous
03/28/2023 14:46
Subject: Re:Generative AI set to affect 300 million jobs across major economies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kid tried to use an AI to help with CompSci. Useless. She doesn't know how to ask the right questions. The AI spit out something that COULD have been right but wasn't. And she doesn't know enough to be able to tell the difference. It will be a long, long time before AI replaces any developers.
I can imagine some grunt work getting sped up but the extra QA/QC time will be a problem for a while. Possibly forever. No chance anyone would load AI generated code into a family sedan, a microwave, or a spaceship.
Written communication is not great either. Passable. Not sure how it handles anything beyond a short piece of maybe 400 or 500 words or less.
But what written communication needs to be great? As we speak, ChatGPT is creating real estate listings from MLS databases, creating company blog/twitter posts, creating advertising copy, etc. How much of this needs to be great? Yet, this is happening right now...so in some R/E office an admin is either fired or not hired, who may have spent much of their day writing R/E listing summaries.
Also, you can train these models. So, the first work product isn't great, but you have it refine it several times...and now in 10 minutes you have a perfectly usable work product that may have taken 1/2 a day to previously write.
What are the largest industries that require excellent writing? Media and entertainment, legal work, publishing, consulting, research...what are they?
Legal needs to be precise, not great. The same goes for research.
AI is already better at reviewing diagnostic related images and doing it much faster and much more accurately with million times more data base than human Radiologists. AI is already able to review contracts 1,000 times faster at much more accurate level.
Anonymous
03/28/2023 14:45
Subject: Generative AI set to affect 300 million jobs across major economies
Anonymous wrote:Media outlets are already using AI to write many of the news articles or proof-read ones written by humans.
Interesting. Could you post some of those articles here? I have not seen it produce anything I would consider well written.
Anonymous
03/28/2023 14:44
Subject: Re:Generative AI set to affect 300 million jobs across major economies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kid tried to use an AI to help with CompSci. Useless. She doesn't know how to ask the right questions. The AI spit out something that COULD have been right but wasn't. And she doesn't know enough to be able to tell the difference. It will be a long, long time before AI replaces any developers.
I can imagine some grunt work getting sped up but the extra QA/QC time will be a problem for a while. Possibly forever. No chance anyone would load AI generated code into a family sedan, a microwave, or a spaceship.
Written communication is not great either. Passable. Not sure how it handles anything beyond a short piece of maybe 400 or 500 words or less.
But what written communication needs to be great? As we speak, ChatGPT is creating real estate listings from MLS databases, creating company blog/twitter posts, creating advertising copy, etc. How much of this needs to be great? Yet, this is happening right now...so in some R/E office an admin is either fired or not hired, who may have spent much of their day writing R/E listing summaries.
Also, you can train these models. So, the first work product isn't great, but you have it refine it several times...and now in 10 minutes you have a perfectly usable work product that may have taken 1/2 a day to previously write.
What are the largest industries that require excellent writing? Media and entertainment, legal work, publishing, consulting, research...what are they?
Legal needs to be precise, not great. The same goes for research.
Maybe it can learn to be more precise. Everything I have seen has been pretty generalized.
Anonymous
03/28/2023 14:43
Subject: Generative AI set to affect 300 million jobs across major economies
Media outlets are already using AI to write many of the news articles or proof-read ones written by humans.
Anonymous
03/28/2023 14:41
Subject: Generative AI set to affect 300 million jobs across major economies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Don't study English, Art or 'pre-law'.
Or law, or IT, or accounting, or business.
Service industries--education, nursing will probably be the last to go.
CS isn't safe unless you're top-tier because AI will program itself etc.
Government/sociology/psychology majors might be really needed to figure out policy to manage the impacts of this!
Vast majority of professors, teachers, tutors, teaching assistants etc. will be redundant and not necessary anymore. We have better, customizable virtually free 'teacher' available 24/7 anytime anywhere for almost any subject.
Using that logic, why are we being charged $80,000 a year for college? May as well get rid of colleges, too.
Importance of college degrees and even the prestige of universities will decrease over time and degrees may not be necessary anymore. Something else, some certification in AI expertise level will replace degrees in the near future.
I actually expect the opposite at the highest level--college will become even more important--something generative outside the AI system.
How many generations of ChatGPT until it can produce better original research that humanities professors? Already you can use it to do quick and dirty meta analysis
What use is quick and dirty meta analysis?
Anonymous
03/28/2023 14:41
Subject: Re:Generative AI set to affect 300 million jobs across major economies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kid tried to use an AI to help with CompSci. Useless. She doesn't know how to ask the right questions. The AI spit out something that COULD have been right but wasn't. And she doesn't know enough to be able to tell the difference. It will be a long, long time before AI replaces any developers.
I can imagine some grunt work getting sped up but the extra QA/QC time will be a problem for a while. Possibly forever. No chance anyone would load AI generated code into a family sedan, a microwave, or a spaceship.
Written communication is not great either. Passable. Not sure how it handles anything beyond a short piece of maybe 400 or 500 words or less.
But what written communication needs to be great? As we speak, ChatGPT is creating real estate listings from MLS databases, creating company blog/twitter posts, creating advertising copy, etc. How much of this needs to be great? Yet, this is happening right now...so in some R/E office an admin is either fired or not hired, who may have spent much of their day writing R/E listing summaries.
Also, you can train these models. So, the first work product isn't great, but you have it refine it several times...and now in 10 minutes you have a perfectly usable work product that may have taken 1/2 a day to previously write.
What are the largest industries that require excellent writing? Media and entertainment, legal work, publishing, consulting, research...what are they?
Legal needs to be precise, not great. The same goes for research.
Anonymous
03/28/2023 14:37
Subject: Re:Generative AI set to affect 300 million jobs across major economies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kid tried to use an AI to help with CompSci. Useless. She doesn't know how to ask the right questions. The AI spit out something that COULD have been right but wasn't. And she doesn't know enough to be able to tell the difference. It will be a long, long time before AI replaces any developers.
I can imagine some grunt work getting sped up but the extra QA/QC time will be a problem for a while. Possibly forever. No chance anyone would load AI generated code into a family sedan, a microwave, or a spaceship.
Written communication is not great either. Passable. Not sure how it handles anything beyond a short piece of maybe 400 or 500 words or less.
But what written communication needs to be great? As we speak, ChatGPT is creating real estate listings from MLS databases, creating company blog/twitter posts, creating advertising copy, etc. How much of this needs to be great? Yet, this is happening right now...so in some R/E office an admin is either fired or not hired, who may have spent much of their day writing R/E listing summaries.
Also, you can train these models. So, the first work product isn't great, but you have it refine it several times...and now in 10 minutes you have a perfectly usable work product that may have taken 1/2 a day to previously write.
What are the largest industries that require excellent writing? Media and entertainment, legal work, publishing, consulting, research...what are they?
Anonymous
03/28/2023 14:36
Subject: Generative AI set to affect 300 million jobs across major economies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Don't study English, Art or 'pre-law'.
Or law, or IT, or accounting, or business.
Service industries--education, nursing will probably be the last to go.
CS isn't safe unless you're top-tier because AI will program itself etc.
Government/sociology/psychology majors might be really needed to figure out policy to manage the impacts of this!
Vast majority of professors, teachers, tutors, teaching assistants etc. will be redundant and not necessary anymore. We have better, customizable virtually free 'teacher' available 24/7 anytime anywhere for almost any subject.
Using that logic, why are we being charged $80,000 a year for college? May as well get rid of colleges, too.
Importance of college degrees and even the prestige of universities will decrease over time and degrees may not be necessary anymore. Something else, some certification in AI expertise level will replace degrees in the near future.
I actually expect the opposite at the highest level--college will become even more important--something generative outside the AI system.
How many generations of ChatGPT until it can produce better original research that humanities professors? Already you can use it to do quick and dirty meta analysis
Anonymous
03/28/2023 14:32
Subject: Generative AI set to affect 300 million jobs across major economies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Don't study English, Art or 'pre-law'.
You do realize that many jobs in CS/tech will also become redundant in the future? Plummers will probably have better job security than software developers....
Who pays the plumbers? If the middle class and upper middle class are all joining breadlines, the customer base for a lot of trades starts to vanish
UBI becomes essential for the elites/establishment to maintain some semblance of demand when millions of jobs are gone very soon or the 'alternative' as in revolution/rebellion will happen and the 'elite' will not let the 'alternative' occur and thus subsistence level UBI is no longer optional.
I personally can’t wait for UBI.
I don’t need much but I love my free time and energy to do things I am interested in, not the ones my boss tells me to do!
Pretty sure UBI will only cover the basics. Like food and shelter.
That’s fine by me! What else do you need? I need travel but I am pretty sure I will be able to figure it out. Clothes shouldn’t be a problem either.
We won’t need to pay for all the fancy extracurriculars for our kids anymore because colleges will be either elite and out of reach (with human profs) or very affordable with lukewarm quality - just like public schools. Many people won’t even bother with college because UBI.
There will be streaming services and libraries - what else is there to want for?