Anonymous
03/27/2023 14:32
Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?
It is for a lot of families.
And not for many others. You don't need to force others into your religious beliefs. You do you
You adhere to unprovable religious beliefs whether you admit it or not.
I would not even have my beloved IVF family if I had held onto to my old unprovable religious beliefs. My beautiful children were created against the teaching of my old religion. They are awesome.
I don't think you understand my point. Your believe in love and beauty, it seems. OK, prove to me love and beauty exist. And show your work.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 14:23
Subject: Re:U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Shouldn't the non-religious be celebrating that the love of money is growing in our nation? Americans are ditching anything that gets in the way of money, like kids(the tuition!), religion(the tithing!), hard work(get rich quick!), patriotism(let others serve/die!). Isn't this great?
I think they celebrate their children and their families and their jobs and communities and country like everyone else.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 14:12
Subject: Re:U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Shouldn't the non-religious be celebrating that the love of money is growing in our nation? Americans are ditching anything that gets in the way of money, like kids(the tuition!), religion(the tithing!), hard work(get rich quick!), patriotism(let others serve/die!). Isn't this great?
Anonymous
03/27/2023 14:07
Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?
It is for a lot of families.
And not for many others. You don't need to force others into your religious beliefs. You do you
You adhere to unprovable religious beliefs whether you admit it or not.
I would not even have my beloved IVF family if I had held onto to my old unprovable religious beliefs. My beautiful children were created against the teaching of my old religion. They are awesome.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 14:04
Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?
It is for a lot of families.
And not for many others. You don't need to force others into your religious beliefs. You do you
You adhere to unprovable religious beliefs whether you admit it or not.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 14:03
Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?
Is this a serious question? I can’t tell.
DP I’d like to know why religion would be a core American value. And which religion?
Christianity. Read the Federalist papers.
The Constitution is my core value. Nothing in there establishes a national religion. Christianity has nothing to do with me and many Americans.
But there are many people in the US that value religion. And guess what, it’s ok. We have a great church that promotes love and tolerance for all. Our congregation is diverse and happy.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 14:01
Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?
It is for a lot of families.
And not for many others. You don't need to force others into your religious beliefs. You do you
Anonymous
03/27/2023 14:00
Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?
It is for a lot of families.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 13:57
Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?
Is this a serious question? I can’t tell.
DP I’d like to know why religion would be a core American value. And which religion?
Christianity. Read the Federalist papers.
The Constitution is my core value. Nothing in there establishes a national religion. Christianity has nothing to do with me and many Americans.
I agree that the founding was not particularly religious. But over the last 150 years the US has become far more religious than Europe and it has become a defining value of our country.
And now it’s significance is waning. So it’s returning to its roots. Things change. This is not a negative thing.
No it’s not. It’s just that a new “secular” religion has taken over. Complete with dogma, rituals, and cult-like thinking.
Lol. Does this new secular religion pay taxes or does it operate tax-free like churches? Where is it based, where and when do rituals take place, who are its priests and pastors? Does it get any federal holidays off?
I invite you to sit in at any state university lecture given by a conservative author or pundit. Watch and see what happens.
You are nothing but a hypocrite. Is there any church in the country that would invite an atheist to speak freely on Sunday? There is no one single dogma or canon that is available to the exclusion of all others at any public university. How would you know what reception conservative speakers have faced unless they were invited to speak in the first place?
My own church had a atheist inside their sanctuary to debate one of our congregation. Granted, it wasn't on a Sunday, but he was invited and, I assume, was paid some sort of honorarium. There was no heckling or violence. The rest of your comment makes no sense.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 13:43
Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:1998? Overturning roe had not happened. jan 6 had not happened. Trump had not happened. George Floyd had not happened. 9 11 had not happened. Iraq war had not happened.
Bush v Gore had not happened.
Clarence Thomas would not have been nominated. (W Bush)
The decade long assault weapons ban would not have lapsed. (W Bush)
Ukraine would be a NATO member and not at war with Russia. (W Bush flipped his support to suck the d of then conservative Ukrainian Prez who fled when Russia invaded Crimea)
Um...Clarence Thomas was nominated by George H. W. Bush.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 13:34
Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?
“In God We Trust”
Sound familiar?
Dates back all the way to 1956
This quote is a bit older: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." But it's from some dusty document
Religion /= God
Try again.
You are truly dense.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 13:34
Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?
Is this a serious question? I can’t tell.
DP I’d like to know why religion would be a core American value. And which religion?
Christianity. Read the Federalist papers.
The Constitution is my core value. Nothing in there establishes a national religion. Christianity has nothing to do with me and many Americans.
I agree that the founding was not particularly religious. But over the last 150 years the US has become far more religious than Europe and it has become a defining value of our country.
And now it’s significance is waning. So it’s returning to its roots. Things change. This is not a negative thing.
No it’s not. It’s just that a new “secular” religion has taken over. Complete with dogma, rituals, and cult-like thinking.
Lol. Does this new secular religion pay taxes or does it operate tax-free like churches? Where is it based, where and when do rituals take place, who are its priests and pastors? Does it get any federal holidays off?
I invite you to sit in at any state university lecture given by a conservative author or pundit. Watch and see what happens.
You are nothing but a hypocrite. Is there any church in the country that would invite an atheist to speak freely on Sunday? There is no one single dogma or canon that is available to the exclusion of all others at any public university. How would you know what reception conservative speakers have faced unless they were invited to speak in the first place?
Anonymous
03/27/2023 13:29
Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?
“In God We Trust”
Sound familiar?
Dates back all the way to 1956
This quote is a bit older: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." But it's from some dusty document
Religion /= God
Try again.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 13:24
Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?
“In God We Trust”
Sound familiar?
Dates back all the way to 1956
This quote is a bit older: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." But it's from some dusty document
Anonymous
03/27/2023 13:21
Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.wsj.com/articles/americans-pull-back-from-values-that-once-defined-u-s-wsj-norc-poll-finds-df8534cd
Some 38% of respondents said patriotism was very important to them, and 39% said religion was very important. That was down sharply from when the Journal first asked the question in 1998, when 70% deemed patriotism to be very important, and 62% said so of religion.
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The share of Americans who say that having children, involvement in their community and hard work are very important values has also fallen. Tolerance for others, deemed very important by 80% of Americans as recently as four years ago, has fallen to 58% since then.
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The only priority the Journal tested that has grown in importance in the past quarter-century is money, which was cited as very important by 43% in the new survey, up from 31% in 1998.
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Only 23% of adults under age 30 said that having children was very important
1998? Overturning roe had not happened. jan 6 had not happened. Trump had not happened. George Floyd had not happened. 9 11 had not happened. Iraq war had not happened.
Bush v Gore had not happened
Clarence Thomas would not have been nominated. (W Bush)
The decade long assault weapons ban would not have lapsed. (W Bush)
Ukraine would be a NATO member and not at war with Russia. (W Bush flipped his support to suck the d of then conservative Ukrainian Prez who fled when Russia invaded Crimea)