I think georgetown took a hit generations ago when it became easier and more acceptable for Catholics to go to secular schools. I used to joke it was the Irish Catholic Harvard. It broke my mom’s heart a little when I turned it down. And it’s alumni just haven’t been as financially loyal as some of the other top schools—-perhaps because they were planning on sending their kids to ivies.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s so strange how much DCUM hates Georgetown

UVA, VaTech, Georgetown, Hopkins all get dcum hate.

By the people who can’t get in.

They are not the only ones that get hate.

To just keep the thread on track, there is nothing to make me think Georgetown won't be better than a T30 school. Georgetown has a known brand name, a living president as an alum, and a great DC location that will continue to appeal to students. They have been more successful fundraising recently, have expanded their footprint internationally, and are investing in CS. They also have a number of strong professional schools that bolster its reputation as a university and tie it to high potential earners in the future.

Anonymous wrote:At Georgetown, you get the Jesuit tradition and commitment to service but are not going to be forced to live in single-sex dorms or worry about regularly getting preached to if you are not interested. You take a year of philosophy and a year of theology or religious studies.

Oh I loved the single sex dorms. ND haas an amazing residential life.

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown has a stellar reputation in foreign affairs. It's School of Foreign Affairs is probably the best in the nation. I did note that it had a B- grade for financial health in Forbes, although you could argue the criteria are perhaps not the ones you'd choose to gauge long-term financial health.

However I think it will be many generations before Georgetown declines, if it ever does.

It was the first foreign affair school in the country and still rated as one of the best in the world and attracts many International students.

It’s a Jesuit institution, you know—the best educators. It’s not the same as “Catholic”.

Right...tell me another one. Georgetown is as Catholic as Notre Dame and Villanova -- both not Jesuit. You only wish it wasn't Catholic...it is.

Georgetown is much more liberal than ND. Come on

But Georgetown is very much Catholic...as opposed to "not the same as Catholic."

Why do you think "very much Catholic" is an issue? I think that is what a few people want spelled out.

That shouldn’t be the question. What is “not the same as Catholic?” That’s who should be answering, not me.

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At Georgetown, you get the Jesuit tradition and commitment to service but are not going to be forced to live in single-sex dorms or worry about regularly getting preached to if you are not interested. You take a year of philosophy and a year of theology or religious studies.

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown has a stellar reputation in foreign affairs. It's School of Foreign Affairs is probably the best in the nation. I did note that it had a B- grade for financial health in Forbes, although you could argue the criteria are perhaps not the ones you'd choose to gauge long-term financial health.

However I think it will be many generations before Georgetown declines, if it ever does.

It was the first foreign affair school in the country and still rated as one of the best in the world and attracts many International students.

It’s a Jesuit institution, you know—the best educators. It’s not the same as “Catholic”.

Right...tell me another one. Georgetown is as Catholic as Notre Dame and Villanova -- both not Jesuit. You only wish it wasn't Catholic...it is.

Georgetown is much more liberal than ND. Come on

But Georgetown is very much Catholic...as opposed to "not the same as Catholic."

Why do you think "very much Catholic" is an issue? I think that is what a few people want spelled out.

That shouldn’t be the question. What is “not the same as Catholic?” That’s who should be answering, not me.

I don’t have a good impression of GU because I have not met one student that went there as an undergraduate that wasn’t a pompous self promoting bore. One of my kids went there for grad school and I did not see them feel entitled. They are hard working, successful and down to earth. I think the MBA Program was excellent.

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown has a stellar reputation in foreign affairs. It's School of Foreign Affairs is probably the best in the nation. I did note that it had a B- grade for financial health in Forbes, although you could argue the criteria are perhaps not the ones you'd choose to gauge long-term financial health.

However I think it will be many generations before Georgetown declines, if it ever does.

It was the first foreign affair school in the country and still rated as one of the best in the world and attracts many International students.

It’s a Jesuit institution, you know—the best educators. It’s not the same as “Catholic”.

Right...tell me another one. Georgetown is as Catholic as Notre Dame and Villanova -- both not Jesuit. You only wish it wasn't Catholic...it is.

Georgetown is much more liberal than ND. Come on

But Georgetown is very much Catholic...as opposed to "not the same as Catholic."

Why do you think "very much Catholic" is an issue? I think that is what a few people want spelled out.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why there are Georgetown hater on this board.

Georgetown is one of the rare universities not to play the rankings game. They don't even want the Common App, and as a result, go down in the rankings because their applicant numbers aren't artificially boosted. They ask for 4 essays, require ALL SAT or ACT scores (only college in the US to require this with MIT), and encourage submission of AP scores. They only want genuinely interested students to apply, clearly.

They don't deserve to be dumped on.

The number of applicants (or the acceptance rate) is NOT a factor in calculating the rankings. So the fact that they require 4 essays, all scores and don't use the common app have no impact on anything other than the number of applicants.

Number of applicants does factor in the acceptance rate, and acceptance rate is a very significant criteria in ranking universities and colleges, dumbass.
The other requirements are a sign that they don't bow to stupid trends, which is a good thing.

For some reason my original response to this offensive comment was deleted. So I will once again post it!! Here are the factors that are used to determine rank for USNWR. Note, there is nothing about acceptance rate or number of applications. I rest my case.

Why do so many people hold a 2nd-tier mag in such high regard in terms of the top colleges? If you can't attend them, rank them I guess? The commentary from law school and med school deans makes USNWR look awful.

"At a January presentation to law schools, Robert Morse, U.S. News’s chief data strategist, disclosed that he didn’t commit to a particular mathematical model until after receiving schools’ data, according to Ian Ayres, an economist and Yale Law School professor who attended the event. Once that information was in hand, Dr. Ayres said, the team ran simulations giving various factors different weights to see the potential outcomes before deciding on a final method.

Dr. Ayres said that approach violates fundamental social-science research standards in which the methodology is specified ahead of time to prevent anyone from reverse-engineering a preferred result."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-news-college-rankings-yale-law-fe24f0b2

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown has a stellar reputation in foreign affairs. It's School of Foreign Affairs is probably the best in the nation. I did note that it had a B- grade for financial health in Forbes, although you could argue the criteria are perhaps not the ones you'd choose to gauge long-term financial health.

However I think it will be many generations before Georgetown declines, if it ever does.

It was the first foreign affair school in the country and still rated as one of the best in the world and attracts many International students.

It’s a Jesuit institution, you know—the best educators. It’s not the same as “Catholic”.

Right...tell me another one. Georgetown is as Catholic as Notre Dame and Villanova -- both not Jesuit. You only wish it wasn't Catholic...it is.

Georgetown is much more liberal than ND. Come on

But Georgetown is very much Catholic...as opposed to "not the same as Catholic."

The hints of anti-Catholic sentiment are worrying on this thread. Georgetown is happy to welcome non-Catholics and it is a destination school for all.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why there are Georgetown hater on this board.

Georgetown is one of the rare universities not to play the rankings game. They don't even want the Common App, and as a result, go down in the rankings because their applicant numbers aren't artificially boosted. They ask for 4 essays, require ALL SAT or ACT scores (only college in the US to require this with MIT), and encourage submission of AP scores. They only want genuinely interested students to apply, clearly.

They don't deserve to be dumped on.

The number of applicants (or the acceptance rate) is NOT a factor in calculating the rankings. So the fact that they require 4 essays, all scores and don't use the common app have no impact on anything other than the number of applicants.

Number of applicants does factor in the acceptance rate, and acceptance rate is a very significant criteria in ranking universities and colleges, dumbass.
The other requirements are a sign that they don't bow to stupid trends, which is a good thing.

For some reason my original response to this offensive comment was deleted. So I will once again post it!! Here are the factors that are used to determine rank for USNWR. Note, there is nothing about acceptance rate or number of applications. I rest my case.

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown has a stellar reputation in foreign affairs. It's School of Foreign Affairs is probably the best in the nation. I did note that it had a B- grade for financial health in Forbes, although you could argue the criteria are perhaps not the ones you'd choose to gauge long-term financial health.

However I think it will be many generations before Georgetown declines, if it ever does.

It was the first foreign affair school in the country and still rated as one of the best in the world and attracts many International students.

It’s a Jesuit institution, you know—the best educators. It’s not the same as “Catholic”.

Right...tell me another one. Georgetown is as Catholic as Notre Dame and Villanova -- both not Jesuit. You only wish it wasn't Catholic...it is.

Georgetown is much more liberal than ND. Come on

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Anonymous wrote:Given it’s Catholic affiliation and small(ish) endowment? It seems like other schools around it have more momentum.

Georgetown will always have a good market, but it feels as if George Mason is the DMV school with the momentum.

Hard to have momentum when you're already ranked 22. Gtown is just fine

And you require test scores…ALL test scores from any sitting. No superscoring allowed.

And you are not on common app.

It’s much more selective because it doesn’t drive up unqualified applicants for the acceptance rates.

Most kids don’t have the scores required Without super scoring or taken it 5 times.