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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised by the vitriol in the responses. (Though the suggestion to secretly baptize is absurd.)

My own mother is extremely religious and devout. She is also a kind and loving person, and wonderful grandparent. I was raised in the church but no longer believe. She believes that faith is important and a key to a fulfilling and meaningful life. While I don't, I have observed how her religion has been good for her and those around her.

She worries about both me and my kids, not because she thinks we are "going to hell" but because her faith is a driving force in her life and she thinks we are missing out. When my kids stay with her, I am certain she talks about her religion and she often takes them to events at my childhood church.

I am fine with it. Exposure to *good* people of faith and *good* people who are not religious enables my kids to make their own decisions as they get older.

"good people" is BS.

Every day in this country a Pastor, Minister, & or Priest molests, rapes, and grooms kids. So great grandma takes the kids to see these "good people".
Amazing parenting on your part. Not to mention what do you do when your kids come home with Grandma's teachings if you don't believe? Again amazing parenting.

These people are not "good people" just because they go to church that is absurd.

You sound really scared of life in general. Keep sheltering you and your kids in your cocoon, it won't turn them into neurotic adults like you at all. sarcasm

You sound really mean and nasty and eager to put down people on line, which is hopefully the only outlet you have for your meanness. not sarcasm.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised by the vitriol in the responses. (Though the suggestion to secretly baptize is absurd.)

My own mother is extremely religious and devout. She is also a kind and loving person, and wonderful grandparent. I was raised in the church but no longer believe. She believes that faith is important and a key to a fulfilling and meaningful life. While I don't, I have observed how her religion has been good for her and those around her.

She worries about both me and my kids, not because she thinks we are "going to hell" but because her faith is a driving force in her life and she thinks we are missing out. When my kids stay with her, I am certain she talks about her religion and she often takes them to events at my childhood church.

I am fine with it. Exposure to *good* people of faith and *good* people who are not religious enables my kids to make their own decisions as they get older.

"good people" is BS.

Every day in this country a Pastor, Minister, & or Priest molests, rapes, and grooms kids. So great grandma takes the kids to see these "good people".
Amazing parenting on your part. Not to mention what do you do when your kids come home with Grandma's teachings if you don't believe? Again amazing parenting.

These people are not "good people" just because they go to church that is absurd.

You sound really scared of life in general. Keep sheltering you and your kids in your cocoon, it won't turn them into neurotic adults like you at all. sarcasm

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Anonymous wrote:No. It's typically because they were raised evangelical / fundie or strict Catholic. The grandkids will eventually find a church if they so choose and get baptized later in life.

Evangelicals don't baptize babies.

Right -- and as far as Catholics are concerned, if one of those kids die, they go to hell. What do the evangelicals believe?

I’m not a fan of Catholicism, but as a former Catholic I can tell you that this isn’t what they believe.

Catholics believe that unbaptized children go to Limbo.

Forever. There is no getting out

Which is why their policy of not baptizing during Lent is especially repugnant.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised by the vitriol in the responses. (Though the suggestion to secretly baptize is absurd.)

My own mother is extremely religious and devout. She is also a kind and loving person, and wonderful grandparent. I was raised in the church but no longer believe. She believes that faith is important and a key to a fulfilling and meaningful life. While I don't, I have observed how her religion has been good for her and those around her.

She worries about both me and my kids, not because she thinks we are "going to hell" but because her faith is a driving force in her life and she thinks we are missing out. When my kids stay with her, I am certain she talks about her religion and she often takes them to events at my childhood church.

I am fine with it. Exposure to *good* people of faith and *good* people who are not religious enables my kids to make their own decisions as they get older.

and this is your own decision and may differ among other parents.

Consider that it could be that your mother, or others at her church, are telling your kids that they must believe in God or else suffer for eternity and one of your kids may be suseptible to this type of thinking.

PP here, and of course I agree that others have differing views. Was just offering mine.

My mother is not telling my child that. And I'm fairly confident that nobody else at the church is doing so either, given that I grew up in that church and know what they teach. And to the extent that my child does hear something like that, I feel good about the way I raised them and that they would think critically and discuss with me.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised by the vitriol in the responses. (Though the suggestion to secretly baptize is absurd.)

My own mother is extremely religious and devout. She is also a kind and loving person, and wonderful grandparent. I was raised in the church but no longer believe. She believes that faith is important and a key to a fulfilling and meaningful life. While I don't, I have observed how her religion has been good for her and those around her.

She worries about both me and my kids, not because she thinks we are "going to hell" but because her faith is a driving force in her life and she thinks we are missing out. When my kids stay with her, I am certain she talks about her religion and she often takes them to events at my childhood church.

I am fine with it. Exposure to *good* people of faith and *good* people who are not religious enables my kids to make their own decisions as they get older.

"good people" is BS.

Every day in this country a Pastor, Minister, & or Priest molests, rapes, and grooms kids. So great grandma takes the kids to see these "good people".
Amazing parenting on your part. Not to mention what do you do when your kids come home with Grandma's teachings if you don't believe? Again amazing parenting.

These people are not "good people" just because they go to church that is absurd.

To your last sentence- I in no way said that they wee good people BECAUSE they went to church. Nor did I imply that the only good people are ones who go to church OR that there aren't bad people who go to church.

What do I do when my kid comes home and asked about grandma's teachings? I use that as an opportunity to have a good conversation with my kid.

If you really think that my child is necessarily exposed to a rapist and in extreme danger on the occasions they are in a church, I just disagree.

And are you really saying that any person of religion by default is not a good person?

Christian institutions have a massive child molestation problem. Bad actors like Jack Posobiec & Charlie Kirk deflected w/ a massive “groomers” propaganda campaign against public schools (which are secular)

Turning point former coordinator for youth events Adam Hagelman sentenced for child porn.

National executives of the nation’s largest Protestant denomination ignored victims resisted reforms & were mainly concerned with w/avoiding ‘potential liability,’ the 3rd-party investigation says.

Turning point former coordinator for youth events Adam Hagelman sentenced for child porn.

And all know about the Catholic Church. Recently in SC just had another Priest molest kids.

Mormons scandal 7-year sex abuse hidden by the church.

From kiddie porn distribution to grooming, to rape. Churches sure do love those kids.

If you want to take your kids to church more power to you, but don't you dare say Church is best for kids when there is significant proof that is false. Anyone can use the Magic box Google and look it up daily arrests.

I am tired of the narrative that religion belongs in Public schools when clearly churches can not even protect their own.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised by the vitriol in the responses. (Though the suggestion to secretly baptize is absurd.)

My own mother is extremely religious and devout. She is also a kind and loving person, and wonderful grandparent. I was raised in the church but no longer believe. She believes that faith is important and a key to a fulfilling and meaningful life. While I don't, I have observed how her religion has been good for her and those around her.

She worries about both me and my kids, not because she thinks we are "going to hell" but because her faith is a driving force in her life and she thinks we are missing out. When my kids stay with her, I am certain she talks about her religion and she often takes them to events at my childhood church.

I am fine with it. Exposure to *good* people of faith and *good* people who are not religious enables my kids to make their own decisions as they get older.

"good people" is BS.

Every day in this country a Pastor, Minister, & or Priest molests, rapes, and grooms kids. So great grandma takes the kids to see these "good people".
Amazing parenting on your part. Not to mention what do you do when your kids come home with Grandma's teachings if you don't believe? Again amazing parenting.

These people are not "good people" just because they go to church that is absurd.

This is my problem with the church my extended family go to. They believe in ignoring anything that is bad. My family was abusive and as an adult, if I say one word about it, they are offended. If you are right with Jesus you are meek and accepting of everything that is thrown at you and you pretend bad things never happened. They look down on people who are sad about anything. I also hate the idea that they preach again and again that what you do on Earth doesn't matter. You can be the most vile horrible person but if you accept Jesus at the end you are a- ok.

Southern Baptists release sex abuser database they kept secret for years - The Washington Post. Child sexual abuse isn’t a “mistake in judgment.” It’s a goddam CRIME.

Church with good people HAHAHAHA

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised by the vitriol in the responses. (Though the suggestion to secretly baptize is absurd.)

My own mother is extremely religious and devout. She is also a kind and loving person, and wonderful grandparent. I was raised in the church but no longer believe. She believes that faith is important and a key to a fulfilling and meaningful life. While I don't, I have observed how her religion has been good for her and those around her.

She worries about both me and my kids, not because she thinks we are "going to hell" but because her faith is a driving force in her life and she thinks we are missing out. When my kids stay with her, I am certain she talks about her religion and she often takes them to events at my childhood church.

I am fine with it. Exposure to *good* people of faith and *good* people who are not religious enables my kids to make their own decisions as they get older.

"good people" is BS.

Every day in this country a Pastor, Minister, & or Priest molests, rapes, and grooms kids. So great grandma takes the kids to see these "good people".
Amazing parenting on your part. Not to mention what do you do when your kids come home with Grandma's teachings if you don't believe? Again amazing parenting.

These people are not "good people" just because they go to church that is absurd.

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Anonymous wrote:No. It's typically because they were raised evangelical / fundie or strict Catholic. The grandkids will eventually find a church if they so choose and get baptized later in life.

Evangelicals don't baptize babies.

Right -- and as far as Catholics are concerned, if one of those kids die, they go to hell. What do the evangelicals believe?

I’m not a fan of Catholicism, but as a former Catholic I can tell you that this isn’t what they believe.

Catholics believe that unbaptized children go to Limbo.

Forever. There is no getting out

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised by the vitriol in the responses. (Though the suggestion to secretly baptize is absurd.)

My own mother is extremely religious and devout. She is also a kind and loving person, and wonderful grandparent. I was raised in the church but no longer believe. She believes that faith is important and a key to a fulfilling and meaningful life. While I don't, I have observed how her religion has been good for her and those around her.

She worries about both me and my kids, not because she thinks we are "going to hell" but because her faith is a driving force in her life and she thinks we are missing out. When my kids stay with her, I am certain she talks about her religion and she often takes them to events at my childhood church.

I am fine with it. Exposure to *good* people of faith and *good* people who are not religious enables my kids to make their own decisions as they get older.

and this is your own decision and may differ among other parents.

Consider that it could be that your mother, or others at her church, are telling your kids that they must believe in God or else suffer for eternity and one of your kids may be suseptible to this type of thinking.

I'm surprised by the vitriol in the responses. (Though the suggestion to secretly baptize is absurd.)

My own mother is extremely religious and devout. She is also a kind and loving person, and wonderful grandparent. I was raised in the church but no longer believe. She believes that faith is important and a key to a fulfilling and meaningful life. While I don't, I have observed how her religion has been good for her and those around her.

She worries about both me and my kids, not because she thinks we are "going to hell" but because her faith is a driving force in her life and she thinks we are missing out. When my kids stay with her, I am certain she talks about her religion and she often takes them to events at my childhood church.

I am fine with it. Exposure to *good* people of faith and *good* people who are not religious enables my kids to make their own decisions as they get older.

It does not matter what Grandparents believe, or what they want. This is a parental decision.

Would a priest or minister actually do this without the consent of the parents?

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Anonymous wrote:No. It's typically because they were raised evangelical / fundie or strict Catholic. The grandkids will eventually find a church if they so choose and get baptized later in life.

Evangelicals don't baptize babies.

Right -- and as far as Catholics are concerned, if one of those kids die, they go to hell. What do the evangelicals believe?

I’m not a fan of Catholicism, but as a former Catholic I can tell you that this isn’t what they believe.

Catholics believe that unbaptized children go to Limbo.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. It's typically because they were raised evangelical / fundie or strict Catholic. The grandkids will eventually find a church if they so choose and get baptized later in life.

Evangelicals don't baptize babies.

Right -- and as far as Catholics are concerned, if one of those kids die, they go to hell. What do the evangelicals believe?

No idea. I'm Anglican.