Anonymous
02/26/2023 13:05
Subject: Re:What was the first Religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
… Astro physicists can explain how the Big Bang unfolded (even if some assumptions are being turned upside down) but not how something came out nothing.
You took an otherwise intelligent post and ruined it with this first grade level rhetoric.
You dont know that time was infinite in both directions and you can’t even define nothing.
Ok wise one - explain the Big Bang to me - how did something come out of nothing … what existed prior to the Big Bang?
And I am familiar with credible scientific explanations for the process of what happened before the Big Bang but to me, it still not explain how something was created out of nothing … (Eg theory that Prior to the Big Bang, the universe underwent a cosmic expansion, doubling in size at least 80 times in a fraction of a second. This rapid inflation, fueled by a mysterious form of energy that permeated empty space itself, and left the universe desolate and cold.)
What was the mysterious form of energy?
I respect both science and religion as important for living well but genuinely cannot fathom how something came out of what we think of is nothing.
I also agree with scientist-philosophers who argue that random evolution cannot explain human consciousness, which is far more complex, creative and transcendent than a mind designed merely to help a physical body to survive in harsh physical environments.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 12:36
Subject: What was the first Religion?
Anonymous wrote:Early humans thinking that they could magically influence things if they courted the favor of the right... spirit? Element? "God"?
It is clear you have no direct experience with indigenous peoples. Their religious beliefs and practices are about being in right relationship with other, nature and the divine world. To indigenous peoples I have met and lived with, the spiritual realm is infused into every part of every day life not compartmentalized for when they are having bad days and need to ask for divine interventions. It was not magic so much as disciplined, spiritual, holistic and creative forms of religion.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 12:30
Subject: Re:What was the first Religion?
Anonymous wrote:
… Astro physicists can explain how the Big Bang unfolded (even if some assumptions are being turned upside down) but not how something came out nothing.
You took an otherwise intelligent post and ruined it with this first grade level rhetoric.
You dont know that time was infinite in both directions and you can’t even define nothing.
Ok wise one - explain the Big Bang to me - how did something come out of nothing … what existed prior to the Big Bang?
Anonymous
02/26/2023 11:22
Subject: Re:What was the first Religion?
… Astro physicists can explain how the Big Bang unfolded (even if some assumptions are being turned upside down) but not how something came out nothing.
You took an otherwise intelligent post and ruined it with this first grade level rhetoric.
You dont know that time was infinite in both directions and you can’t even define nothing.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 10:57
Subject: What was the first Religion?
Early humans thinking that they could magically influence things if they courted the favor of the right... spirit? Element? "God"?
Anonymous
02/26/2023 10:56
Subject: What was the first Religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Urg did a flip off a cliff at the same time thunder struck, everyone thought he was so cool and he became a God to the people. Urg worship continued for almost 50 years after his death but fizzled out when people getting sun burns blamed a jealous Sun.
Thunder does not strike. Thunder is caused by the rapid expansion of the air surrounding the path of a lightning bolt. So lightning strikes, and the air around the strike expands and causes thunder.
What you are describing is celebrity worship. People idolize actors, athletes, etc, and place such athletically or physically talented and gifted people as better than “normal” people. Unfortunately, they don’t realize those people are just people, too.
For evidence of this, see the Entertainment forum on dcum; lots of posts about what celebrity has the “perfect life” or what famous person would you choose to change lives with?
I don’t know why people who lived in prehistory are seen as “stupid” by people like you. Have you ever seen some of the inventive and innovative ideas these people had to figure out to live in a world with no grocery stores, pre-made homes, medical care, or clothing they could buy off the rack?
Just everyday survival was extremely brutal and hard. They didn’t worship other people who “flipped off a cliff.” You don’t know the difference between thunder and lightning, and should not be giving advice on more complicated subjects.
I thought the Urg person was being facetious - or attempting a satire akin to “The Gods Must have been Crazy” (made by white South African I believe when official racism was still legal there).
The patronizing ignorance about non western indigenous beliefs and practices tells us a lot more about ourselves than them. When cultures and lifestyles have survived for tens of thousands of years we should be asking ourselves what we could be learning from them.
"Cultures and lifestyles" aint religion. Do try to stay on topic
I believe that indigenous cultures have religious beliefs and practices - and so do many academics and lawyers .
When our religion has helped us to survive collectively for tens of thousands of years, we can mock others’ religions with credibility.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 10:53
Subject: Re:What was the first Religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pagan religions. Reverence for earth, sun, moon.
Hinduism or what the name of it was before it was labeled as Hinduism, Sanatana Dharma, is likely the oldest continuously practiced pagan religion.
?why do you say it's "pagan," You're not using that pejoratively I hope?
np. "Pagan" isn't a pejorative. Why would you think that.
I don't think it is either.
pagan means common/laborer and applies to folk beliefs. hinduism is the oldest religion that has texts. Hindu is the Persian word for pagan/idol worshipper someone who lacks an "organized religion" but hindus did have an organized, written down religion.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 10:48
Subject: What was the first Religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Urg did a flip off a cliff at the same time thunder struck, everyone thought he was so cool and he became a God to the people. Urg worship continued for almost 50 years after his death but fizzled out when people getting sun burns blamed a jealous Sun.
Thunder does not strike. Thunder is caused by the rapid expansion of the air surrounding the path of a lightning bolt. So lightning strikes, and the air around the strike expands and causes thunder.
What you are describing is celebrity worship. People idolize actors, athletes, etc, and place such athletically or physically talented and gifted people as better than “normal” people. Unfortunately, they don’t realize those people are just people, too.
For evidence of this, see the Entertainment forum on dcum; lots of posts about what celebrity has the “perfect life” or what famous person would you choose to change lives with?
I don’t know why people who lived in prehistory are seen as “stupid” by people like you. Have you ever seen some of the inventive and innovative ideas these people had to figure out to live in a world with no grocery stores, pre-made homes, medical care, or clothing they could buy off the rack?
Just everyday survival was extremely brutal and hard. They didn’t worship other people who “flipped off a cliff.” You don’t know the difference between thunder and lightning, and should not be giving advice on more complicated subjects.
I thought the Urg person was being facetious - or attempting a satire akin to “The Gods Must have been Crazy” (made by white South African I believe when official racism was still legal there).
The patronizing ignorance about non western indigenous beliefs and practices tells us a lot more about ourselves than them. When cultures and lifestyles have survived for tens of thousands of years we should be asking ourselves what we could be learning from them.
"Cultures and lifestyles" aint religion. Do try to stay on topic
Anonymous
02/26/2023 10:25
Subject: What was the first Religion?
What else do you get advice and answers from non-Western indigenous cultures for, other than religion?
Anonymous
02/26/2023 10:11
Subject: What was the first Religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Urg did a flip off a cliff at the same time thunder struck, everyone thought he was so cool and he became a God to the people. Urg worship continued for almost 50 years after his death but fizzled out when people getting sun burns blamed a jealous Sun.
Thunder does not strike. Thunder is caused by the rapid expansion of the air surrounding the path of a lightning bolt. So lightning strikes, and the air around the strike expands and causes thunder.
What you are describing is celebrity worship. People idolize actors, athletes, etc, and place such athletically or physically talented and gifted people as better than “normal” people. Unfortunately, they don’t realize those people are just people, too.
For evidence of this, see the Entertainment forum on dcum; lots of posts about what celebrity has the “perfect life” or what famous person would you choose to change lives with?
I don’t know why people who lived in prehistory are seen as “stupid” by people like you. Have you ever seen some of the inventive and innovative ideas these people had to figure out to live in a world with no grocery stores, pre-made homes, medical care, or clothing they could buy off the rack?
Just everyday survival was extremely brutal and hard. They didn’t worship other people who “flipped off a cliff.” You don’t know the difference between thunder and lightning, and should not be giving advice on more complicated subjects.
I thought the Urg person was being facetious - or attempting a satire akin to “The Gods Must have been Crazy” (made by white South African I believe when official racism was still legal there).
The patronizing ignorance about non western indigenous beliefs and practices tells us a lot more about ourselves than them. When cultures and lifestyles have survived for tens of thousands of years we should be asking ourselves what we could be learning from them.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 10:06
Subject: Re:What was the first Religion?
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This meme has as much “pre-history” evidence in it as the Urg and blood/flesh posters are claiming here.
Stay on the internet anon dcumers…your debate skills are only valid as anon internet trolls.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 10:02
Subject: Re:What was the first Religion?
Anonymous wrote:As soon as humans developed language, they came up with shared stories.
Nobody knows that. They more often killed for food or a mate or a cave. They didn’t sit around a crackling wood fire in animal skins talking about stories they liked. You think Disney is pre-history.
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Pictured: what some dcum posters think happened, after Urg “flipped off a cliff when thunder struck!”
Anonymous
02/26/2023 09:56
Subject: Re:What was the first Religion?
As soon as humans developed language, they came up with shared stories.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 09:55
Subject: What was the first Religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pagans killed animals humans, in ritual fashion, with their blood being poured into bowls or onto stones. Twigs were dipped into the liquid and shaken, throwing a spray onto the onlookers and the buildings.
No thanks, that is gross and weird and disgusting.
Better than eating flesh or drinking blood?
Who eats flesh and drinks blood?
Catholics.
They do not. There is no human or animal flesh or blood in any church I know of. You are a weirdo.
Huh? That’s what they think:
https://www.thecatholicthing.org/2011/08/06/the-eucharist-a-cannibalism/
“If Catholics believe the Eucharist really is the body and blood of Christ, then they believe they are eating human flesh and drinking human blood.”
You are being dishonest and disingenuous in your post. You put quotation marks around the question another person asked (the author of the article you linked) and pretended it is an answer that supports your opinion on Catholics “eating human flesh and blood.”
If you are going to distort the debate and openly lie, you know you are fighting a losing battle to prove your opinion correct.
Are you the same poster that claimed thunder “strikes?” It’s good you post anonymously on the internet, because you’d be eaten alive (flesh and blood!) in a real world debate.
haha I crack myself up!
Anonymous
02/26/2023 09:44
Subject: What was the first Religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pagans killed animals humans, in ritual fashion, with their blood being poured into bowls or onto stones. Twigs were dipped into the liquid and shaken, throwing a spray onto the onlookers and the buildings.
No thanks, that is gross and weird and disgusting.
Better than eating flesh or drinking blood?
Who eats flesh and drinks blood?
Catholics.
They do not. There is no human or animal flesh or blood in any church I know of. You are a weirdo.
Huh? That’s what they think:
https://www.thecatholicthing.org/2011/08/06/the-eucharist-a-cannibalism/
“If Catholics believe the Eucharist really is the body and blood of Christ, then they believe they are eating human flesh and drinking human blood.”