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Anonymous wrote:In the last 15 years or so NOVA has been the engine of job growth in the area. So much that areas far flung from DC like Loundon county has had significant growth and with it great property appreciation. MD on the other end seems to stagnate even under a republican governor. I'm not sure its going to improve under Wes Moore. I'm a long term MD resident and don't mean to diss it. But my property value in the most sought after area in Howard County has just stagnated over the last 15 years. Do you see hope for MD or is the gap just going to get wider?
What about MD turns off businesses?

LOL. You call Loudon car flung yet you live in Howard Co. I worked at the Census Bureau in Suitland, and many co-workers lived in Loudoun Co as well as WV and PA.

As far as RE, I agree with you. Maryland needs to bring in more businesses.

Loudon is far out and so is Howard. I say this and I'm in Frederick also equally far out. I think Loudon has had much better appreciation than Howard or Frederick though we've had decent appreciation in Frederick, imo.
Considering we're about an hour from DC and Baltimore, I'm not complaining.

Huh? Loudoun is right next to Fairfax and Tyson’s, which is a MAJOR job port. Two metro stations just opened there which go directly to those job locations.


Howard? No offense but it’s for people who want to commute to Baltimore, not DC. It’s almost like another region.

What Loudon has or Hoco does not have is not the question. It's about why Loudon is always included in the "NoVa" comparison to MD but HoCo never is even though HoCo is just as far from DC as Loudon is. And also, OP was asking about HoCo. But for some reason (insecurity), NoVa folks *always* have to compare NoVa (all four counties) to MoCo, even though, once again, the thread is not about MoCo.

It's like people who are insecure and went to some name brand school, and they have to mention that every chance they get. I think someone started a thread about how his wife name drops how she went to Harvard in every conversation. Only insecure people do that. This is like some of these NoVa posters.

Nobody is insecure. It is what it is. Loudoun (not Loudon, Jesus please learn to spell it, you look like a bozo) is a suburb of the Dulles Tech Corridor. Where an engineer or a programmer can easily pull in 200-300k. There is no need to commute and be dependent on DC.

Meanwhile, Howard county has no major job hubs around it. Hence, values are lower.

It’s not rocket science and nobody is insecure (except you…since you seem to keep bringing this up), it just is what it is. There’s a reason why Loudoun and Fairfax have the highest incomes in the nation.

NoVa posters like you are definitely insecure. Again, Loudon is just as far to DC as HoCo.

That would be relevant if all or even most of the area jobs were in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:In the last 15 years or so NOVA has been the engine of job growth in the area. So much that areas far flung from DC like Loundon county has had significant growth and with it great property appreciation. MD on the other end seems to stagnate even under a republican governor. I'm not sure its going to improve under Wes Moore. I'm a long term MD resident and don't mean to diss it. But my property value in the most sought after area in Howard County has just stagnated over the last 15 years. Do you see hope for MD or is the gap just going to get wider?
What about MD turns off businesses?

LOL. You call Loudon car flung yet you live in Howard Co. I worked at the Census Bureau in Suitland, and many co-workers lived in Loudoun Co as well as WV and PA.

As far as RE, I agree with you. Maryland needs to bring in more businesses.

Loudon is far out and so is Howard. I say this and I'm in Frederick also equally far out. I think Loudon has had much better appreciation than Howard or Frederick though we've had decent appreciation in Frederick, imo.
Considering we're about an hour from DC and Baltimore, I'm not complaining.

Huh? Loudoun is right next to Fairfax and Tyson’s, which is a MAJOR job port. Two metro stations just opened there which go directly to those job locations.


Howard? No offense but it’s for people who want to commute to Baltimore, not DC. It’s almost like another region.

What Loudon has or Hoco does not have is not the question. It's about why Loudon is always included in the "NoVa" comparison to MD but HoCo never is even though HoCo is just as far from DC as Loudon is. And also, OP was asking about HoCo. But for some reason (insecurity), NoVa folks *always* have to compare NoVa (all four counties) to MoCo, even though, once again, the thread is not about MoCo.

It's like people who are insecure and went to some name brand school, and they have to mention that every chance they get. I think someone started a thread about how his wife name drops how she went to Harvard in every conversation. Only insecure people do that. This is like some of these NoVa posters.

Nobody is insecure. It is what it is. Loudoun (not Loudon, Jesus please learn to spell it, you look like a bozo) is a suburb of the Dulles Tech Corridor. Where an engineer or a programmer can easily pull in 200-300k. There is no need to commute and be dependent on DC.

Meanwhile, Howard county has no major job hubs around it. Hence, values are lower.

It’s not rocket science and nobody is insecure (except you…since you seem to keep bringing this up), it just is what it is. There’s a reason why Loudoun and Fairfax have the highest incomes in the nation.

NoVa posters like you are definitely insecure. Again, Loudon is just as far to DC as HoCo.

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Anonymous wrote:In the last 15 years or so NOVA has been the engine of job growth in the area. So much that areas far flung from DC like Loundon county has had significant growth and with it great property appreciation. MD on the other end seems to stagnate even under a republican governor. I'm not sure its going to improve under Wes Moore. I'm a long term MD resident and don't mean to diss it. But my property value in the most sought after area in Howard County has just stagnated over the last 15 years. Do you see hope for MD or is the gap just going to get wider?
What about MD turns off businesses?

LOL. You call Loudon car flung yet you live in Howard Co. I worked at the Census Bureau in Suitland, and many co-workers lived in Loudoun Co as well as WV and PA.

As far as RE, I agree with you. Maryland needs to bring in more businesses.

Loudon is far out and so is Howard. I say this and I'm in Frederick also equally far out. I think Loudon has had much better appreciation than Howard or Frederick though we've had decent appreciation in Frederick, imo.
Considering we're about an hour from DC and Baltimore, I'm not complaining.

Huh? Loudoun is right next to Fairfax and Tyson’s, which is a MAJOR job port. Two metro stations just opened there which go directly to those job locations.


Howard? No offense but it’s for people who want to commute to Baltimore, not DC. It’s almost like another region.

What Loudon has or Hoco does not have is not the question. It's about why Loudon is always included in the "NoVa" comparison to MD but HoCo never is even though HoCo is just as far from DC as Loudon is. And also, OP was asking about HoCo. But for some reason (insecurity), NoVa folks *always* have to compare NoVa (all four counties) to MoCo, even though, once again, the thread is not about MoCo.

It's like people who are insecure and went to some name brand school, and they have to mention that every chance they get. I think someone started a thread about how his wife name drops how she went to Harvard in every conversation. Only insecure people do that. This is like some of these NoVa posters.

Nobody is insecure. It is what it is. Loudoun (not Loudon, Jesus please learn to spell it, you look like a bozo) is a suburb of the Dulles Tech Corridor. Where an engineer or a programmer can easily pull in 200-300k. There is no need to commute and be dependent on DC.

Meanwhile, Howard county has no major job hubs around it. Hence, values are lower.

It’s not rocket science and nobody is insecure (except you…since you seem to keep bringing this up), it just is what it is. There’s a reason why Loudoun and Fairfax have the highest incomes in the nation.

NoVa posters like you are definitely insecure. Again, Loudon is just as far to DC as HoCo.

Anonymous wrote:Suburban Maryland has been insecure when it comes to NoVa for a long time.

Back in 2010 MoCo was getting so insecure that it commissioned an entire report on the topic: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/olo/resources/files/2010-5.pdf

More of the same more recently: https://harpswellstrategies.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Post-Pandemic-Economic-Leadership-for-Montgomery-County.pdf

You don't see Arlington or Fairfax or Loudoun preparing reports bemoaning how they are losing out to suburban Maryland.

Now it's apparently not just bitter MoCo posters, but also some posters in Howard complaining about the lack of appreciation compared to NoVa. It's your problem, not ours. You don't live in our heads the way we do in yours.

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Anonymous wrote:In the last 15 years or so NOVA has been the engine of job growth in the area. So much that areas far flung from DC like Loundon county has had significant growth and with it great property appreciation. MD on the other end seems to stagnate even under a republican governor. I'm not sure its going to improve under Wes Moore. I'm a long term MD resident and don't mean to diss it. But my property value in the most sought after area in Howard County has just stagnated over the last 15 years. Do you see hope for MD or is the gap just going to get wider?
What about MD turns off businesses?

LOL. You call Loudon car flung yet you live in Howard Co. I worked at the Census Bureau in Suitland, and many co-workers lived in Loudoun Co as well as WV and PA.

As far as RE, I agree with you. Maryland needs to bring in more businesses.

Loudon is far out and so is Howard. I say this and I'm in Frederick also equally far out. I think Loudon has had much better appreciation than Howard or Frederick though we've had decent appreciation in Frederick, imo.
Considering we're about an hour from DC and Baltimore, I'm not complaining.

Huh? Loudoun is right next to Fairfax and Tyson’s, which is a MAJOR job port. Two metro stations just opened there which go directly to those job locations.


Howard? No offense but it’s for people who want to commute to Baltimore, not DC. It’s almost like another region.

What Loudon has or Hoco does not have is not the question. It's about why Loudon is always included in the "NoVa" comparison to MD but HoCo never is even though HoCo is just as far from DC as Loudon is. And also, OP was asking about HoCo. But for some reason (insecurity), NoVa folks *always* have to compare NoVa (all four counties) to MoCo, even though, once again, the thread is not about MoCo.

It's like people who are insecure and went to some name brand school, and they have to mention that every chance they get. I think someone started a thread about how his wife name drops how she went to Harvard in every conversation. Only insecure people do that. This is like some of these NoVa posters.

Nobody is insecure. It is what it is. Loudoun (not Loudon, Jesus please learn to spell it, you look like a bozo) is a suburb of the Dulles Tech Corridor. Where an engineer or a programmer can easily pull in 200-300k. There is no need to commute and be dependent on DC.

Meanwhile, Howard county has no major job hubs around it. Hence, values are lower.

It’s not rocket science and nobody is insecure (except you…since you seem to keep bringing this up), it just is what it is. There’s a reason why Loudoun and Fairfax have the highest incomes in the nation.

NoVa posters like you are definitely insecure. Again, Loudon is just as far to DC as HoCo.

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Anonymous wrote:I do find these threads mostly started by NoVa posters to reflect their insecurities. They also seem to compare four counties in NoVa to just one county in MD, Moco. That is another odd thing.

I'm originally from out west.

Interesting. I get the opposite vibe. The bitterness seems to come from Maryland posters.

DP here. Absolutely not. I'm from DC, and the bitterness and self-congratulatory cockiness definitely come more from the VA posters.

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Anonymous wrote:I do find these threads mostly started by NoVa posters to reflect their insecurities. They also seem to compare four counties in NoVa to just one county in MD, Moco. That is another odd thing.

I'm originally from out west.

Interesting. I get the opposite vibe. The bitterness seems to come from Maryland posters.

Anonymous wrote:Virginia has the largest number of jobs in the region with an increasingly diversified economy and - compared with Maryland - better infrastructure, better schools, better amenities, lower tax burdens, and lower crime. Driving around NoVa you get the feel of being in the 21st century. Driving around Maryland you get the feel of being stuck in the late 1990s.

The gap between the states continues to widen.

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Anonymous wrote:In the last 15 years or so NOVA has been the engine of job growth in the area. So much that areas far flung from DC like Loundon county has had significant growth and with it great property appreciation. MD on the other end seems to stagnate even under a republican governor. I'm not sure its going to improve under Wes Moore. I'm a long term MD resident and don't mean to diss it. But my property value in the most sought after area in Howard County has just stagnated over the last 15 years. Do you see hope for MD or is the gap just going to get wider?
What about MD turns off businesses?

LOL. You call Loudon car flung yet you live in Howard Co. I worked at the Census Bureau in Suitland, and many co-workers lived in Loudoun Co as well as WV and PA.

As far as RE, I agree with you. Maryland needs to bring in more businesses.

Loudon is far out and so is Howard. I say this and I'm in Frederick also equally far out. I think Loudon has had much better appreciation than Howard or Frederick though we've had decent appreciation in Frederick, imo.
Considering we're about an hour from DC and Baltimore, I'm not complaining.

Huh? Loudoun is right next to Fairfax and Tyson’s, which is a MAJOR job port. Two metro stations just opened there which go directly to those job locations.


Howard? No offense but it’s for people who want to commute to Baltimore, not DC. It’s almost like another region.

What Loudon has or Hoco does not have is not the question. It's about why Loudon is always included in the "NoVa" comparison to MD but HoCo never is even though HoCo is just as far from DC as Loudon is. And also, OP was asking about HoCo. But for some reason (insecurity), NoVa folks *always* have to compare NoVa (all four counties) to MoCo, even though, once again, the thread is not about MoCo.

It's like people who are insecure and went to some name brand school, and they have to mention that every chance they get. I think someone started a thread about how his wife name drops how she went to Harvard in every conversation. Only insecure people do that. This is like some of these NoVa posters.

Nobody is insecure. It is what it is. Loudoun (not Loudon, Jesus please learn to spell it, you look like a bozo) is a suburb of the Dulles Tech Corridor. Where an engineer or a programmer can easily pull in 200-300k. There is no need to commute and be dependent on DC.

Meanwhile, Howard county has no major job hubs around it. Hence, values are lower.

It’s not rocket science and nobody is insecure (except you…since you seem to keep bringing this up), it just is what it is. There’s a reason why Loudoun and Fairfax have the highest incomes in the nation.

Anonymous wrote:As the south continues to rise again in VA, the appeal will continue to lessen. Most of NOVA has already started to be ultra conservative with it spreading yearly. Get out now before you realize you live in what’s just like the Villages in Florida.

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Anonymous wrote:NOVA is much bigger than just the highly desirable zipcodes in Bethesda, CC, Potomac, Kensington. Its Fairfax County, Arlington County, Alexandria. A lot of NOVA has less crime and better rated schools than our MD counterpart

Once again, comparing four counties to one in MD. And OP is not even in MoCo.

It always comes down to some NoVa poster reeking of their insecurity.

I am from MD. I'd never go back.

Fairfax is nicer than MoCo.

NOVA is nicer than MoCo/PG

LOL where were you from in Moco to think Fairfax is nicer?

I've lived in Arlington, FFX, Moco and DC..close in Moco is by far the best place to live. Fantastic trails, short commutes, more established communities, downtown Bethesda, less gross strip malls, etc

+1. This is exactly right, and price appreciation in Bethesda/CC has been fantastic. Going into Virginia is like crossing into a place where every road is way too big and strip malls abound.

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Anonymous wrote:NOVA is much bigger than just the highly desirable zipcodes in Bethesda, CC, Potomac, Kensington. Its Fairfax County, Arlington County, Alexandria. A lot of NOVA has less crime and better rated schools than our MD counterpart

Once again, comparing four counties to one in MD. And OP is not even in MoCo.

It always comes down to some NoVa poster reeking of their insecurity.

I am from MD. I'd never go back.

Fairfax is nicer than MoCo.

NOVA is nicer than MoCo/PG

LOL where were you from in Moco to think Fairfax is nicer?

I've lived in Arlington, FFX, Moco and DC..close in Moco is by far the best place to live. Fantastic trails, short commutes, more established communities, downtown Bethesda, less gross strip malls, etc

Anonymous wrote:As the south continues to rise again in VA, the appeal will continue to lessen. Most of NOVA has already started to be ultra conservative with it spreading yearly. Get out now before you realize you live in what’s just like the Villages in Florida.