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Anonymous wrote:I want to know why the kid was allowed at school without the parent. Also want to know how someone in the administration was told the kid might have a gun but "couldn't find it." Like, how hard did they look?

Parents have to work

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Anonymous wrote:Every school has kids like these now but obviously not as extreme. Schools are not really allowed to discipline due to Obama era rules designed to reduce the school to prison pipeline.

The reality is that unhappy kids take it out on others in the schools. They have learned it gets them attention without typically any consequences unless there is physical violence.

Even with habitual violence, zero effective consequences. Shame on the Democrats.

So that actually started with Bush and No Child Left Behind when they started tracking attendance as a measure of schooling. Admin started not taking kids out of school for suspensions because it would affect attendance and graduation rates.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate lumping all these students as special needs. There needs to be different categories - category 1 with kids who have special needs that cause them to have negative behavior and category 2 with kids with special needs that only affect them academically but not behaviorally. Can we stop calling both groups kids with special needs? They are vastly different

In the olden days (the 80's) the label was SEM, socially and emotionally maladjusted. I'm fairly certain that category is no longer used.

Anonymous wrote:Getting rid of a student who has issues that a school is incapable of dealing with has been around longer than Biden. DD's school had a boy prone to violence and it took him attacking a first grader for them to finally force him out

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Anonymous wrote:I want to know why the kid was allowed at school without the parent. Also want to know how someone in the administration was told the kid might have a gun but "couldn't find it." Like, how hard did they look?

Parents have to work

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Anonymous wrote:Every school has kids like these now but obviously not as extreme. Schools are not really allowed to discipline due to Obama era rules designed to reduce the school to prison pipeline.

The reality is that unhappy kids take it out on others in the schools. They have learned it gets them attention without typically any consequences unless there is physical violence.

Even with habitual violence, zero effective consequences. Shame on the Democrats.

So that actually started with Bush and No Child Left Behind when they started tracking attendance as a measure of schooling. Admin started not taking kids out of school for suspensions because it would affect attendance and graduation rates.

NCLB is the worst thing to happen to modern schooling.

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Anonymous wrote:was the newport news shooter special needs?

The parents claim he was special needs. The parents had to attend class with him presumably to keep his behavior in check. I don't know why they weren't with him that day. He was violent in the classroom too. Very troubled student.

I hate lumping all these students as special needs. There needs to be different categories - category 1 with kids who have special needs that cause them to have negative behavior and category 2 with kids with special needs that only affect them academically but not behaviorally. Can we stop calling both groups kids with special needs? They are vastly different

This is a cop out, child wasn't special needs, very violent behavior learned from at home

False. A child with "very violent behavior" should qualify for an IEP under the Emotional Disturbance category.

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Anonymous wrote:Every school has kids like these now but obviously not as extreme. Schools are not really allowed to discipline due to Obama era rules designed to reduce the school to prison pipeline.

The reality is that unhappy kids take it out on others in the schools. They have learned it gets them attention without typically any consequences unless there is physical violence.

Even with habitual violence, zero effective consequences. Shame on the Democrats.

So that actually started with Bush and No Child Left Behind when they started tracking attendance as a measure of schooling. Admin started not taking kids out of school for suspensions because it would affect attendance and graduation rates.

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Anonymous wrote:CPS should be investigating all families/homes of kids who are emotional disturbed or disruptive at school to make sure the kids are eating and sleeping properly, not being abused, etc. And now we can add that they shouldn’t be allowed access to a gun to the list of things to be checked out.

The parents of this particular kid should be charged with attempted homicide for allowing their emotionally disturbed 6 year old access to a loaded firearm.

I know we all want to demonize these parents. But it’s possible these parents are living a nightmare with this kid, it’s possible they were doing almost everything they possibly could we th limited means. This kid is seriously disturbed based on what he’s said and done. The gun was a huge miscalculation on their part, but this child sounds, frankly, diabolical.

The teacher said to the principal get this kid out of my class. From now on teachers should be allowed to demand that administrators remove violent kids for the entire day, at a minimum. I hope the teacher unions fight for this. We will be destroying our public school system if we don’t protect teachers and other students from dangerous kids.

As a teacher reading up on this story I find it infuriating that admin ignored multiple warnings that this kid had a gun. The lesson I take from this? Trust no one and call the police if a weapon is seen or suspected.

Not a teacher. I find it infuriating too. What kind of bothers me also is this. If you believed a kid had a gun and posed a threat, why wouldn’t you check their pockets? I’m not victim blaming. Just trying to understand.

This may have been exactly what she was doing when she got shot. I guess we need to train teachers how to safely disarm students now.

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Anonymous wrote:Every school has kids like these now but obviously not as extreme. Schools are not really allowed to discipline due to Obama era rules designed to reduce the school to prison pipeline.

The reality is that unhappy kids take it out on others in the schools. They have learned it gets them attention without typically any consequences unless there is physical violence.

Even with habitual violence, zero effective consequences. Shame on the Democrats.

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Anonymous wrote:CPS should be investigating all families/homes of kids who are emotional disturbed or disruptive at school to make sure the kids are eating and sleeping properly, not being abused, etc. And now we can add that they shouldn’t be allowed access to a gun to the list of things to be checked out.

The parents of this particular kid should be charged with attempted homicide for allowing their emotionally disturbed 6 year old access to a loaded firearm.

I know we all want to demonize these parents. But it’s possible these parents are living a nightmare with this kid, it’s possible they were doing almost everything they possibly could we th limited means. This kid is seriously disturbed based on what he’s said and done. The gun was a huge miscalculation on their part, but this child sounds, frankly, diabolical.

The teacher said to the principal get this kid out of my class. From now on teachers should be allowed to demand that administrators remove violent kids for the entire day, at a minimum. I hope the teacher unions fight for this. We will be destroying our public school system if we don’t protect teachers and other students from dangerous kids.

As a teacher reading up on this story I find it infuriating that admin ignored multiple warnings that this kid had a gun. The lesson I take from this? Trust no one and call the police if a weapon is seen or suspected.

Not a teacher. I find it infuriating too. What kind of bothers me also is this. If you believed a kid had a gun and posed a threat, why wouldn’t you check their pockets? I’m not victim blaming. Just trying to understand.

Anonymous wrote:Every school has kids like these now but obviously not as extreme. Schools are not really allowed to discipline due to Obama era rules designed to reduce the school to prison pipeline.

The reality is that unhappy kids take it out on others in the schools. They have learned it gets them attention without typically any consequences unless there is physical violence.

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Anonymous wrote:Three things are true:
1.These issues predate Biden/Trump/Obama in my personal experience
2. Some kids are violent regardless of parenting
3. Owning a gun in this situation was bad parenting

But back in the day, we put violent kids into special schools with lots of staff and supports. My grandma worked at one during the 1970s, a "School for the Emotionally Disturbed." Expecting other kids and their teachers to deal with this and many other "special" behaviors is entirely unreasonable.

They still have schools like this. They are often full (no seats), and school districts pay $400/day-ish per student (these are day schools, not residential). There aren't enough of them and there aren't enough seats and they are incredibly difficult to staff.

They don't have them here, you know, in DCUM land.

We have them

https://www.fcps.edu/academics/academic-overview/nontraditional-school-programs/alternative-learning-centers

Those are for high schooler in trouble with the law, not mentally ill kindergarteners.

Burke is K-6

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Anonymous wrote:We have a child like this. Having any kind of weapon in the home with an aggressive and mentally unstable child is unbelievably stupid. The parents are at fault for owning the gun and the admin are at fault for not finding the gun.

I’m really sorry. I too have a violent and disturbed kid but much older than this little boy. This little boy is terrifying and I can’t imagine trying to find the resources to care for and treat him.

What I learned early on is this. Every single thing is a weapon. After we removed knives (we don’t have guns), our kid went into our cabinets and broke drinking glasses and used them as weapons. While I am careful, I know that I cannot make the environment safe. Even if I boarded my windows and resorted to paper plates and spoons, got rid of tweezers and toothbrushes, my neighbors still have recycling bins with wine bottles. It’s an endless struggle.

I am so so sorry that you have this struggle. unlike other SN kids, those with downs or academic limitations- wouldn't your child be better off in an institution that catered to caring for someone who has such difficulty regulating their emotions? I'm thinking some place almost designed like a retreat/monastary with individual rooms to sleep in and a lot of green space and room to be by themselves and have highly regulated interactions with others so they dont feel so isolated that it causes self harm? I mean shouldn't we be pouring tax dollars in this instead of having terrified and overwhelmed families, individuals (im sure the children who cant manage themselves are harsh towards themselves as well) and communities. I think instead if shutting down institutions they should've just proved them and increased staff b/c the problem of the mentally ill having to navigate society that they are utterly unequipped for is also cruel.