We need to have mandatory really long minimum prison sentences for gun crimes at the federal level, including for parents who provide gun access to minors.

Nothing in the constitution to say that there can’t be really harsh consequences when someone’s weapons are used in a crime.

I think that’s the first step towards gun control.

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Anonymous wrote:Teacher had tried to get help for this student already and administrators did nothing. Gun was obtained from crack house where uncle lives.

link?

I think the previous poster was confused. Pretty sure this was a different shooting, where a six year old boy shot and killed a classmate. Happened a few years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't even. And the one school official saying this wasn't a situation where a shooter was walking around the building! This student shot his teacher, allegedly saying before hand he was going to shoot her. THIS is the exact reason I've been lobbying for more support in our K and 1st grade rooms with these students who are out of control in my district. Assuming the teacher survives, I hope she sues her district into oblivion.

Who would she sue? The family likely has no resources and the school will be protected by applicable workers’ compensation laws. They’ll accept the claim and she’ll get her wage loss and medicals covered at the statutory rates.

She could sue the district for not protecting her. I'd bet anything she has email records of requesting parent conferences, conferences with the social worker or psych or principal or sped teacher on this kid. My guess is she's tried charts, preferential seating and a whole bunch of other things she's documented. I wouldn't be surprised if she's requested an evaluation on the kid. In my district we get a whole lotta, "well, we can start an eval until there's been several 6-8 week rounds of interventions that have been tried". She'll probably have tons of documentation. If she's ever uttered the words, "I have safety concerns around this child" and they've not provided her with significant help, she can sue them for not doing their due diligence. The district will not be protected by workman's comp in this case. It's not like she slipped on a wet floor. If anything, even if she doesn't win, she could bring attention to the nation wide issue that we have many of these kids in our early primary classes and most of the time, NOTHING is being done outside of what the classroom teacher can do. We have a right to a safe workplace. Full stop.

+1. There are also claims that the student brought bullets to school last week and told people he was going to bring a real gun. Some parents even went to admin about it. Admin brushed it off.

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Anonymous wrote:“Police said during the press conference that the shooting was not accidental and that they are working to learn how the student got a firearm and why the shooting occurred.”

Jesus.

Does a six year old have the ability to fully understand what he did? WTH.

No, but it means he didn’t just bring a gun from home to show his friends and accidentally discharged it. He brought a gun to school to shoot it.

How did he know how?? Disgusting.

Someone who leaves a gun accessible when a 6 year old is around probably also leaves it loaded. It wouldn’t surprise me if the safety wasn’t engaged. At that point, all you need to do is point the gun and pull the trigger, which damn near every 6 year old understands.

I don’t know how the legal system should treat a 6 year old who has intentionally shot someone. He definitely had intent, which must be dealt with, but he only had a 6 year old’s foresight and understanding of the consequences, which is not the same as an adult’s. It’s entirely possible that he was really angry and wanted to stop her from being his teacher, but never gave any thought to what it would mean if she died. He definitely wanted to hurt her, but does he grasp the finality of death? Did he think about her having a family? Did he recognize her humanity, that she was also a person with feelings? This was premeditated, but 6 year olds tend to have much less emotional regulation than an adult, so should premeditation in a 6 year old be treated the same as premeditation in an adult?

At bare minimum, this child needs to be removed from his home while his parents are investigated (as well as any other minor children they have), undergo a complete neuropsychological evaluation, receive court mandated therapy and treatment of any mental health issues, his parents need parenting classes and a home check before they can regain custody, and he needs a one-on-one aide for the first year that he’s back in a classroom. The parents should not be allowed to have any firearms in their home as long as any minor children live with them, they should have periodic unscheduled home visits, and they should permanently lose custody if they are found in possession of any firearms in their home.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't even. And the one school official saying this wasn't a situation where a shooter was walking around the building! This student shot his teacher, allegedly saying before hand he was going to shoot her. THIS is the exact reason I've been lobbying for more support in our K and 1st grade rooms with these students who are out of control in my district. Assuming the teacher survives, I hope she sues her district into oblivion.

Who would she sue? The family likely has no resources and the school will be protected by applicable workers’ compensation laws. They’ll accept the claim and she’ll get her wage loss and medicals covered at the statutory rates.

She could sue the district for not protecting her. I'd bet anything she has email records of requesting parent conferences, conferences with the social worker or psych or principal or sped teacher on this kid. My guess is she's tried charts, preferential seating and a whole bunch of other things she's documented. I wouldn't be surprised if she's requested an evaluation on the kid. In my district we get a whole lotta, "well, we can start an eval until there's been several 6-8 week rounds of interventions that have been tried". She'll probably have tons of documentation. If she's ever uttered the words, "I have safety concerns around this child" and they've not provided her with significant help, she can sue them for not doing their due diligence. The district will not be protected by workman's comp in this case. It's not like she slipped on a wet floor. If anything, even if she doesn't win, she could bring attention to the nation wide issue that we have many of these kids in our early primary classes and most of the time, NOTHING is being done outside of what the classroom teacher can do. We have a right to a safe workplace. Full stop.

The school systems are also under tremendous pressure to not prematurely identify minority males as having emotional and/or behavioral issues, especially at such a young age.

And of course, whatever legal action this teacher takes? That depends on if she survives.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't even. And the one school official saying this wasn't a situation where a shooter was walking around the building! This student shot his teacher, allegedly saying before hand he was going to shoot her. THIS is the exact reason I've been lobbying for more support in our K and 1st grade rooms with these students who are out of control in my district. Assuming the teacher survives, I hope she sues her district into oblivion.

Who would she sue? The family likely has no resources and the school will be protected by applicable workers’ compensation laws. They’ll accept the claim and she’ll get her wage loss and medicals covered at the statutory rates.

She could sue the district for not protecting her. I'd bet anything she has email records of requesting parent conferences, conferences with the social worker or psych or principal or sped teacher on this kid. My guess is she's tried charts, preferential seating and a whole bunch of other things she's documented. I wouldn't be surprised if she's requested an evaluation on the kid. In my district we get a whole lotta, "well, we can start an eval until there's been several 6-8 week rounds of interventions that have been tried". She'll probably have tons of documentation. If she's ever uttered the words, "I have safety concerns around this child" and they've not provided her with significant help, she can sue them for not doing their due diligence. The district will not be protected by workman's comp in this case. It's not like she slipped on a wet floor. If anything, even if she doesn't win, she could bring attention to the nation wide issue that we have many of these kids in our early primary classes and most of the time, NOTHING is being done outside of what the classroom teacher can do. We have a right to a safe workplace. Full stop.

Anonymous wrote:Teacher had tried to get help for this student already and administrators did nothing. Gun was obtained from crack house where uncle lives.

link?

Anonymous wrote:If the kid got the gun from the parent, they need to charge the parent. My god... this country.

+1 Yes. If we don't get it together, we are headed even closer to that Hobbesian existence...where life is just nasty, brutish, and short, right?


What kind of kids are we raising?! We have to do better than this.

This is worth reading…See the section on “Heart”:

https://raisingamericans.substack.com/p/the-good-american

Anonymous wrote:Teacher had tried to get help for this student already and administrators did nothing. Gun was obtained from crack house where uncle lives.

Where’s this information coming from?

Teacher had tried to get help for this student already and administrators did nothing. Gun was obtained from crack house where uncle lives.

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Anonymous wrote:If the kid got the gun from the parent, they need to charge the parent. My god... this country.

i doubt they’ll prosecute if the parent isn’t a legal gun owner. Might reveal thr identity of the kid. If legal gun owner they will probably prosecute

Wouldn't they have more reason to prosecute if the parents weren't legal gun owners but owned a gun? That doesn't make sense.

it’s a heavily democratic area would bring attention to the dysfunction

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Anonymous wrote:If the kid got the gun from the parent, they need to charge the parent. My god... this country.

i doubt they’ll prosecute if the parent isn’t a legal gun owner. Might reveal thr identity of the kid. If legal gun owner they will probably prosecute

Wouldn't they have more reason to prosecute if the parents weren't legal gun owners but owned a gun? That doesn't make sense.

The juvenile system sucks because we will never find out motive . Say if this was anti lgbt in motive? We will never know

I am from the area and sadly not surprised. High legal and illegal gun ownership rates and constant low level violence combined with other problems might led to an angry 6 year old thinking this is the way to solve his problem.

I'm actually sad that I am not surprised at all.