Anonymous
Post 01/05/2023 20:10     Subject: Re:Hook
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
But to answer the question, for some lesser known schools, being a legacy (but not giving money) might be an advantage (stats otherwise being acceptable) because the school thinks perhaps admission may make you give more money.

But in general for the more elite schools, yes, they want to see substantial giving. A history of it. Seven figures or a building-sized gift.


Being a legacy but not giving money can help at MANY schools, not just lesser known ones. The case against Harvard revealed that the legacy admission rate was above 30%.



OK, but my high-stats kid was applying to Harvard and got a soft rejection. We were told seven figures. We gave - oh - maybe 1 figure



In this year's REA legacies to HYP Ivies at our school - the legacy ED admits also had a VIP parent - one parent legacy and the other parent VIP. Will need to wait to see what happens for RD for other legacy kids (and, since they only report acceptances, it is not not known whether other legacy applicants to those schools were deferred or rejected).


If your kid is at the same school as mine, it was one VIP family member and on legacy athlete (not two VIP, just one)
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2023 16:01     Subject: Re:Hook
Also, hooks only matter at maybe 75-100 selective-admit schools. For the rest of them, you're in if you have a pulse.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2023 14:56     Subject: Re:Hook
One not mentioned yet: if you’re going for an Ivy, ROTC. Lots of rich private school blue bloods think they’re too good for that so Ivy schools get fewer ROTC applications. Combine that with first gen or URM and it’s a golden ticket. You still need the stats, of course , but you’re competing against a MUCH smaller pool than everyone else.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2023 14:48     Subject: Re:Hook
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
But to answer the question, for some lesser known schools, being a legacy (but not giving money) might be an advantage (stats otherwise being acceptable) because the school thinks perhaps admission may make you give more money.

But in general for the more elite schools, yes, they want to see substantial giving. A history of it. Seven figures or a building-sized gift.


Being a legacy but not giving money can help at MANY schools, not just lesser known ones. The case against Harvard revealed that the legacy admission rate was above 30%.



OK, but my high-stats kid was applying to Harvard and got a soft rejection. We were told seven figures. We gave - oh - maybe 1 figure


This is simply not true. 30% of the incoming class did not give 7 figure gifts. Listen to yourself. Legacy and no contributions help at Harvard -- a lot -- if your kid is in the pool of students that could be admitted. Harvard has more than 3 times the number of perfectly qualified students than they have slots. If you are in this group and if you apply ED it will help. Money will help even more.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2023 14:41     Subject: Re:Hook
Anonymous wrote:"Hook" is a dog whistle. A "URM" with a 1510 SAT, IB diploma, and 4.6 weighted GPA can be safely sneered at and dismissed by other students and families from the moment they start receiving acceptance letters and, frankly, dismissed their whole life during and after college.




+1
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2023 14:39     Subject: Hook
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:URM, full pay, athlete


I would not put "full pay" in there with URM and athlete.


Because overcoming racism or playing a sport exceptionally well are actual achievements, and having rich parents is just luck?

A hook is something that rich white kids can complain about as a way to assuage their hurt feelings about the fact that college admissions are competitive and they didn't win.


+1
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2023 13:22     Subject: Hook
Anonymous wrote:URM, full pay, athlete


The value of URM as a hook is so overrated on DCUM. It is true for FGLI students, less so for MC and UMC students. Numerous personal examples of high stat URM students that were not accepted at competitive schools - they still have to cast a wide net like all other applicants.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2023 13:00     Subject: Hook
Anonymous wrote:His an associate at a top DC law firm now--went to Georgetown Law from Princeton (seems to be underperforming--a good but not great law school).


Georgetown is #14 making it one of the T14, the exact standard of great for law schools. WTF are you talking about?

https://www.shemmassianconsulting.com/blog/t14-law-schools
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2023 12:40     Subject: Hook
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hook is basically when legacy kids who are 1/16th URM apply to HYPSM from their 45k a year private and claim they they are minorities.


I know of one kid that had one grand parent that was Hispanic (all other family members were Italian, Irish, etc.) Grandfather came from Colombia in his 30s in the 70s--was a doctor in the US, went to a DC top area private, parents went to Princeton and Duke--checked Hispanic on the Princeton application--got in. Had very good grades and test scores (not recruited athlete). Decent ECs. Probably would not have gotten in if not for Legacy and checking Hispanic but who knows maybe the Legacy would have been enough.

His an associate at a top DC law firm now--went to Georgetown Law from Princeton (seems to be underperforming--a good but not great law school).


The standard for “qualifying” as a URM is 25 percent heritage, or one grandparent. Sounds like this was totally legit.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2023 12:14     Subject: Hook
Anonymous wrote:Hook is basically when legacy kids who are 1/16th URM apply to HYPSM from their 45k a year private and claim they they are minorities.


I know of one kid that had one grand parent that was Hispanic (all other family members were Italian, Irish, etc.) Grandfather came from Colombia in his 30s in the 70s--was a doctor in the US, went to a DC top area private, parents went to Princeton and Duke--checked Hispanic on the Princeton application--got in. Had very good grades and test scores (not recruited athlete). Decent ECs. Probably would not have gotten in if not for Legacy and checking Hispanic but who knows maybe the Legacy would have been enough.

His an associate at a top DC law firm now--went to Georgetown Law from Princeton (seems to be underperforming--a good but not great law school).
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2023 12:08     Subject: Hook
Anonymous wrote:

The comments under the CNBC twitter link to the CEO story are fire:

https://twitter.com/cnbc/status/1503499846413692931?lang=en


Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hook is basically when legacy kids who are 1/16th URM apply to HYPSM from their 45k a year private and claim they they are minorities.




This guy's kids will be ultra hooked, in part to compensate for the systemic and structural oppression they endure:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/27/mt-bank-ceo-rene-jones-on-the-secret-weapon-to-his-success.html


Haha the comments.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2023 12:07     Subject: Hook
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hook is basically when legacy kids who are 1/16th URM apply to HYPSM from their 45k a year private and claim they they are minorities.




This guy's kids will be ultra hooked, in part to compensate for the systemic and structural oppression they endure:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/27/mt-bank-ceo-rene-jones-on-the-secret-weapon-to-his-success.html


OMG so true.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2023 11:46     Subject: Hook


The comments under the CNBC twitter link to the CEO story are fire:

https://twitter.com/cnbc/status/1503499846413692931?lang=en


Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hook is basically when legacy kids who are 1/16th URM apply to HYPSM from their 45k a year private and claim they they are minorities.




This guy's kids will be ultra hooked, in part to compensate for the systemic and structural oppression they endure:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/27/mt-bank-ceo-rene-jones-on-the-secret-weapon-to-his-success.html
Anonymous
Post 01/03/2023 22:48     Subject: Hook
Anonymous wrote:Hook is basically when legacy kids who are 1/16th URM apply to HYPSM from their 45k a year private and claim they they are minorities.




This guy's kids will be ultra hooked, in part to compensate for the systemic and structural oppression they endure:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/27/mt-bank-ceo-rene-jones-on-the-secret-weapon-to-his-success.html
Anonymous
Post 01/03/2023 01:04     Subject: Hook
Hook is basically when legacy kids who are 1/16th URM apply to HYPSM from their 45k a year private and claim they they are minorities.