Anonymous
12/15/2022 12:40
Subject: picture and tweet by ANC reps in Cleveland Park
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No. I’m not saying kickbacks.
But you are saying developer money is involved. Where is it going? Who is it coming from? How did you find this out?
Not suggesting anything unethical or illegal. Referring to organizing, lobbying and endorsements in support of certain ANC candidates and against others by large special interest groups.
Like environmentalists and transit equity advocates?
Oh the middle finger ANC is all about what’s in it for themselves. F*%k everyone else.
Anonymous
12/15/2022 08:45
Subject: picture and tweet by ANC reps in Cleveland Park
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No. I’m not saying kickbacks.
But you are saying developer money is involved. Where is it going? Who is it coming from? How did you find this out?
Not suggesting anything unethical or illegal. Referring to organizing, lobbying and endorsements in support of certain ANC candidates and against others by large special interest groups.
Like environmentalists and transit equity advocates?
Anonymous
12/15/2022 00:53
Subject: picture and tweet by ANC reps in Cleveland Park
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No. I’m not saying kickbacks.
But you are saying developer money is involved. Where is it going? Who is it coming from? How did you find this out?
Not suggesting anything unethical or illegal. Referring to organizing, lobbying and endorsements in support of certain ANC candidates and against others by large special interest groups.
Anonymous
12/14/2022 23:53
Subject: picture and tweet by ANC reps in Cleveland Park
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No. I’m not saying kickbacks.
But you are saying developer money is involved. Where is it going? Who is it coming from? How did you find this out?
They are pulling it out of their a$$ because they cannot imagine that some people, myself included, actually want more urban density, a more vibrant streetscape, more transportation options, a more economically diverse community, than the ones they are trying to "protect."
"Federal employee wants to help neighbors but decides to deep six career for three more housing units in a project"
News at 11
it is wild to believe that there has been a "rotating cast" (which would mean at least one commissioner leaving and returning) that has been in cahoots.
When I see the paranoiac's go-to conspiracy language, I feel bad because it reminds me of an aunt who deteriorated into this sort of soupy rot. It begins to read as "people who disagree with me are part of a larger conspiracy. They could not honestly disagree with my position, and therefore must be bribed by those with financial incentives to say they believe what they do." It builds until nuclear family members become accused of something vague, the effects of which are inchoate but perceived as a grievous moral harm.
Anonymous
12/14/2022 23:29
Subject: picture and tweet by ANC reps in Cleveland Park
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No. I’m not saying kickbacks.
But you are saying developer money is involved. Where is it going? Who is it coming from? How did you find this out?
They are pulling it out of their a$$ because they cannot imagine that some people, myself included, actually want more urban density, a more vibrant streetscape, more transportation options, a more economically diverse community, than the ones they are trying to "protect."
Anonymous
12/14/2022 22:37
Subject: picture and tweet by ANC reps in Cleveland Park
Anonymous wrote:No. I’m not saying kickbacks.
But you are saying developer money is involved. Where is it going? Who is it coming from? How did you find this out?
Anonymous
12/14/2022 22:26
Subject: picture and tweet by ANC reps in Cleveland Park
No. I’m not saying kickbacks.
Anonymous
12/14/2022 21:01
Subject: picture and tweet by ANC reps in Cleveland Park
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What the photo tells me is that these ANC reps are unprofessional, immature, don’t respect their constituents, and are ill-equipped for public office. I wouldn’t vote for someone for junior high class president if this was how they presented themselves and certainly don’t want these ANC reps weighing on in important issues. They don’t have the confidence if their constituents. And Beau Finley is trying to censor the topic in a public meeting?
You’ve obviously never been to an ANC meeting if this is the first time you realized ANC reps are not professionals, don’t respect their constituents, and ill-equipped for public office. ANC meetings feel a lot like high school government.
I’m the poster above and I’ve been to several ANC meetings and agree. I just expect more of our public servants and elected officials. Can they at least try to act like grown ups and not spoiled brats? The photo and tweet aren’t the first time the rotating group of ANC commissioners aligned with CP Smart Growth and GGW have acted inappropriately. Bike lanes is just the issue du jour. The tweeted photo is one example in a pattern of bad behavior. Amateur hour has been going on a long time and it discourages better candidates from running, especially if they don’t share the other ANC commissioners GGW & CPSG agenda. Combine the rude, immature unprofessional behavior with with special interest groups, developers throwing money into the pot, and the regulars on the CP list serve and at ANC meetings who don’t even live in Cleveland Park endlessly barking about their own agendas, it’s no wonder we have such abysmal representation and that so few reasonable people want to run.
Can you say more about developers throwing money into the pot? Are you saying 3c commissioners are getting kickbacks?
What else did the rotating cast of commissioners do?
Anonymous
12/14/2022 20:44
Subject: picture and tweet by ANC reps in Cleveland Park
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What the photo tells me is that these ANC reps are unprofessional, immature, don’t respect their constituents, and are ill-equipped for public office. I wouldn’t vote for someone for junior high class president if this was how they presented themselves and certainly don’t want these ANC reps weighing on in important issues. They don’t have the confidence if their constituents. And Beau Finley is trying to censor the topic in a public meeting?
You’ve obviously never been to an ANC meeting if this is the first time you realized ANC reps are not professionals, don’t respect their constituents, and ill-equipped for public office. ANC meetings feel a lot like high school government.
I’m the poster above and I’ve been to several ANC meetings and agree. I just expect more of our public servants and elected officials. Can they at least try to act like grown ups and not spoiled brats? The photo and tweet aren’t the first time the rotating group of ANC commissioners aligned with CP Smart Growth and GGW have acted inappropriately. Bike lanes is just the issue du jour. The tweeted photo is one example in a pattern of bad behavior. Amateur hour has been going on a long time and it discourages better candidates from running, especially if they don’t share the other ANC commissioners GGW & CPSG agenda. Combine the rude, immature unprofessional behavior with with special interest groups, developers throwing money into the pot, and the regulars on the CP list serve and at ANC meetings who don’t even live in Cleveland Park endlessly barking about their own agendas, it’s no wonder we have such abysmal representation and that so few reasonable people want to run.
Anonymous
12/14/2022 20:11
Subject: picture and tweet by ANC reps in Cleveland Park
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No one is defending what took place in that picture, but at some point, you have to move on. You can run for the seat in two years if you are still that bitter about it. The ANC are volunteer positions that take a lot of time. In most cases, someone runs because no one else will. Why don't you step up?
I love it. Block avenues of accountability and then tell people to “move on”. This is not serious.
What avenues of accountability were blocked? If you want to initiate a recall election, that is the place to go. A paper resolution offered at the last moment is not accountability.
This is not serious. They removed discussion from the agenda of the meeting citing Roberts Rules of Order like cowards.
Discussion wasn't removed. There was no notice that this would be on their agenda. No one knew this was even under consideration until Nancy decided to air dirty laundry on the listserv. It was a classless move, but par for the course from her. The bridge builder she claims to be- she should have worked with other commissioners to craft something that was both not against the rules and had buy-in from Chair Finley. Beau sounded pretty angry about what his allies did, so there was clearly room for doing something other than last night's performative sh*tshow.
This is not dirty laundry; it's a questionable action that was, thankfully, brought to light.
"Before notice went out of the ANC meeting agenda for tonight's (Dec. 13) ANC 3C meeting, I told commissioners that I intended to draft a resolution commenting on the incident and how the ANC interacts with the public. The topic was included in the notice, but was dropped from the agenda that was posted on the ANC website. I wasn't informed but discovered the omission. The ANC administrator when asked told me that Chair Finley told her to delete it." -- Nancy MacWood
If you want to hang your hat on the "needs to be an emergency" justification, emergencies are serious situations that require immediate action. It was the sponsor of the resolution's last meeting, and the next meeting would include ALL of the commissioners in the offending photo. How likely is it the resolution would see the light of day in that situation? It was now-or-never and important to fully and transparently consider. In the end, the trio did themselves more harm than they would have if they had expressed contrition, agreed with the premise that ANC Commissioners should be respectful of all of their constituents, even when they disagree, and allowed the vote to move forward. It's even possible the resolution wouldn't have passed if they'd done that. It was a missed opportunity.
Exactly. It would have been so easy to be magnanimous. Instead they chose to act like autocratic cowards, which I think really exposes who they are and should concern everyone of their constituents no matter what their position on bike lanes.
They people don’t seem to have learned that the attempted coverup is worse than the crime and they com off so ugly for it that I cannot see how they can reasonably do their jobs effectively.
Being magnanimus would have been to offer the resolution in a timely manner and not ask the chair to break DC law.
“Break DC law”? Are you serious? This is now getting clownish. These people are effectively corrupt cowards covering for each other to avoid public accountability. Pathetic.
Anonymous
12/14/2022 18:50
Subject: picture and tweet by ANC reps in Cleveland Park
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No one is defending what took place in that picture, but at some point, you have to move on. You can run for the seat in two years if you are still that bitter about it. The ANC are volunteer positions that take a lot of time. In most cases, someone runs because no one else will. Why don't you step up?
I love it. Block avenues of accountability and then tell people to “move on”. This is not serious.
What avenues of accountability were blocked? If you want to initiate a recall election, that is the place to go. A paper resolution offered at the last moment is not accountability.
This is not serious. They removed discussion from the agenda of the meeting citing Roberts Rules of Order like cowards.
Discussion wasn't removed. There was no notice that this would be on their agenda. No one knew this was even under consideration until Nancy decided to air dirty laundry on the listserv. It was a classless move, but par for the course from her. The bridge builder she claims to be- she should have worked with other commissioners to craft something that was both not against the rules and had buy-in from Chair Finley. Beau sounded pretty angry about what his allies did, so there was clearly room for doing something other than last night's performative sh*tshow.
This is not dirty laundry; it's a questionable action that was, thankfully, brought to light.
"Before notice went out of the ANC meeting agenda for tonight's (Dec. 13) ANC 3C meeting, I told commissioners that I intended to draft a resolution commenting on the incident and how the ANC interacts with the public. The topic was included in the notice, but was dropped from the agenda that was posted on the ANC website. I wasn't informed but discovered the omission. The ANC administrator when asked told me that Chair Finley told her to delete it." -- Nancy MacWood
If you want to hang your hat on the "needs to be an emergency" justification, emergencies are serious situations that require immediate action. It was the sponsor of the resolution's last meeting, and the next meeting would include ALL of the commissioners in the offending photo. How likely is it the resolution would see the light of day in that situation? It was now-or-never and important to fully and transparently consider. In the end, the trio did themselves more harm than they would have if they had expressed contrition, agreed with the premise that ANC Commissioners should be respectful of all of their constituents, even when they disagree, and allowed the vote to move forward. It's even possible the resolution wouldn't have passed if they'd done that. It was a missed opportunity.
December 13th was long after the agenda for the meeting was published. The community is required to have two weeks notice of an agenda. Count me clueless, but I believe December 13th is one day before the 14th, not two weeks.
December 13 as written above was a reference to the meeting date, not the date the agenda went out.
Anonymous
12/14/2022 18:23
Subject: picture and tweet by ANC reps in Cleveland Park
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No one is defending what took place in that picture, but at some point, you have to move on. You can run for the seat in two years if you are still that bitter about it. The ANC are volunteer positions that take a lot of time. In most cases, someone runs because no one else will. Why don't you step up?
I love it. Block avenues of accountability and then tell people to “move on”. This is not serious.
What avenues of accountability were blocked? If you want to initiate a recall election, that is the place to go. A paper resolution offered at the last moment is not accountability.
This is not serious. They removed discussion from the agenda of the meeting citing Roberts Rules of Order like cowards.
Discussion wasn't removed. There was no notice that this would be on their agenda. No one knew this was even under consideration until Nancy decided to air dirty laundry on the listserv. It was a classless move, but par for the course from her. The bridge builder she claims to be- she should have worked with other commissioners to craft something that was both not against the rules and had buy-in from Chair Finley. Beau sounded pretty angry about what his allies did, so there was clearly room for doing something other than last night's performative sh*tshow.
This is not dirty laundry; it's a questionable action that was, thankfully, brought to light.
"Before notice went out of the ANC meeting agenda for tonight's (Dec. 13) ANC 3C meeting, I told commissioners that I intended to draft a resolution commenting on the incident and how the ANC interacts with the public. The topic was included in the notice, but was dropped from the agenda that was posted on the ANC website. I wasn't informed but discovered the omission. The ANC administrator when asked told me that Chair Finley told her to delete it." -- Nancy MacWood
If you want to hang your hat on the "needs to be an emergency" justification, emergencies are serious situations that require immediate action. It was the sponsor of the resolution's last meeting, and the next meeting would include ALL of the commissioners in the offending photo. How likely is it the resolution would see the light of day in that situation? It was now-or-never and important to fully and transparently consider. In the end, the trio did themselves more harm than they would have if they had expressed contrition, agreed with the premise that ANC Commissioners should be respectful of all of their constituents, even when they disagree, and allowed the vote to move forward. It's even possible the resolution wouldn't have passed if they'd done that. It was a missed opportunity.
Exactly. It would have been so easy to be magnanimous. Instead they chose to act like autocratic cowards, which I think really exposes who they are and should concern everyone of their constituents no matter what their position on bike lanes.
They people don’t seem to have learned that the attempted coverup is worse than the crime and they com off so ugly for it that I cannot see how they can reasonably do their jobs effectively.
Being magnanimus would have been to offer the resolution in a timely manner and not ask the chair to break DC law.
Anonymous
12/14/2022 18:21
Subject: picture and tweet by ANC reps in Cleveland Park
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No one is defending what took place in that picture, but at some point, you have to move on. You can run for the seat in two years if you are still that bitter about it. The ANC are volunteer positions that take a lot of time. In most cases, someone runs because no one else will. Why don't you step up?
I love it. Block avenues of accountability and then tell people to “move on”. This is not serious.
What avenues of accountability were blocked? If you want to initiate a recall election, that is the place to go. A paper resolution offered at the last moment is not accountability.
This is not serious. They removed discussion from the agenda of the meeting citing Roberts Rules of Order like cowards.
Discussion wasn't removed. There was no notice that this would be on their agenda. No one knew this was even under consideration until Nancy decided to air dirty laundry on the listserv. It was a classless move, but par for the course from her. The bridge builder she claims to be- she should have worked with other commissioners to craft something that was both not against the rules and had buy-in from Chair Finley. Beau sounded pretty angry about what his allies did, so there was clearly room for doing something other than last night's performative sh*tshow.
This is not dirty laundry; it's a questionable action that was, thankfully, brought to light.
"Before notice went out of the ANC meeting agenda for tonight's (Dec. 13) ANC 3C meeting, I told commissioners that I intended to draft a resolution commenting on the incident and how the ANC interacts with the public. The topic was included in the notice, but was dropped from the agenda that was posted on the ANC website. I wasn't informed but discovered the omission. The ANC administrator when asked told me that Chair Finley told her to delete it." -- Nancy MacWood
If you want to hang your hat on the "needs to be an emergency" justification, emergencies are serious situations that require immediate action. It was the sponsor of the resolution's last meeting, and the next meeting would include ALL of the commissioners in the offending photo. How likely is it the resolution would see the light of day in that situation? It was now-or-never and important to fully and transparently consider. In the end, the trio did themselves more harm than they would have if they had expressed contrition, agreed with the premise that ANC Commissioners should be respectful of all of their constituents, even when they disagree, and allowed the vote to move forward. It's even possible the resolution wouldn't have passed if they'd done that. It was a missed opportunity.
December 13th was long after the agenda for the meeting was published. The community is required to have two weeks notice of an agenda. Count me clueless, but I believe December 13th is one day before the 14th, not two weeks.
Anonymous
12/14/2022 17:33
Subject: picture and tweet by ANC reps in Cleveland Park
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No one is defending what took place in that picture, but at some point, you have to move on. You can run for the seat in two years if you are still that bitter about it. The ANC are volunteer positions that take a lot of time. In most cases, someone runs because no one else will. Why don't you step up?
I love it. Block avenues of accountability and then tell people to “move on”. This is not serious.
What avenues of accountability were blocked? If you want to initiate a recall election, that is the place to go. A paper resolution offered at the last moment is not accountability.
This is not serious. They removed discussion from the agenda of the meeting citing Roberts Rules of Order like cowards.
Discussion wasn't removed. There was no notice that this would be on their agenda. No one knew this was even under consideration until Nancy decided to air dirty laundry on the listserv. It was a classless move, but par for the course from her. The bridge builder she claims to be- she should have worked with other commissioners to craft something that was both not against the rules and had buy-in from Chair Finley. Beau sounded pretty angry about what his allies did, so there was clearly room for doing something other than last night's performative sh*tshow.
"Before notice went out of the ANC meeting agenda for tonight's (Dec. 13) ANC 3C meeting, I told commissioners that I intended to draft a resolution commenting on the incident and how the ANC interacts with the public. The topic was included in the notice, but was dropped from the agenda that was posted on the ANC website. I wasn't informed but discovered the omission. The ANC administrator when asked told me that Chair Finley told her to delete it." -- Nancy MacWood
Finley noted last night that he had repeatedly tried to talk with Macwood before the notice went out but that she ignored his messages. He explained (and if you're explaining your losing) his reasoning for why Macwood's resolution was out of order and pointed out the relevant rules it violated. Nevertheless, the commission as a majority felt strongly enough that the rules should be ignored, so the resolution was passed.
Lee Brian Reba's pretend offense to being called out for repeatedly using a homophobic slur (which Macwood never called him on because she clearly doesn't care if her people are bullies) was amusing. Everyone heard him drop the f-bomb at a few meetings last year as a way to get under Pagats's thin skin. It sounds like Finley and Pagats tried to handle the issue confidentially with the Office of ANCs. Given Reba's similar thin skin, he could not refrain from his Airing of Grievances. I hope the new ANC puts together a compilation of clips of Reba saying it.
The District is quite lucky that young white Kathy Henderson (Maureen Boucher) is gone. While it was sometimes amusing to see her struggle with basic meeting procedure and it was clear she never read a single resolution, she came off as an unhinged bully so much of the time, shouting at people in the chat, and generally making an ass of herself.
Anonymous
12/14/2022 17:24
Subject: picture and tweet by ANC reps in Cleveland Park
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No one is defending what took place in that picture, but at some point, you have to move on. You can run for the seat in two years if you are still that bitter about it. The ANC are volunteer positions that take a lot of time. In most cases, someone runs because no one else will. Why don't you step up?
I love it. Block avenues of accountability and then tell people to “move on”. This is not serious.
What avenues of accountability were blocked? If you want to initiate a recall election, that is the place to go. A paper resolution offered at the last moment is not accountability.
This is not serious. They removed discussion from the agenda of the meeting citing Roberts Rules of Order like cowards.
Discussion wasn't removed. There was no notice that this would be on their agenda. No one knew this was even under consideration until Nancy decided to air dirty laundry on the listserv. It was a classless move, but par for the course from her. The bridge builder she claims to be- she should have worked with other commissioners to craft something that was both not against the rules and had buy-in from Chair Finley. Beau sounded pretty angry about what his allies did, so there was clearly room for doing something other than last night's performative sh*tshow.
That seemed to be what Finley was going on about - that the Commission should have met internally to discuss how to move forward, rather than the last minute against-the-rules naming and shaming by Macwood. It was one hell of a way to besmirch her legacy, but she let her true (lack of) character shine through.
This is not dirty laundry; it's a questionable action that was, thankfully, brought to light.
"Before notice went out of the ANC meeting agenda for tonight's (Dec. 13) ANC 3C meeting, I told commissioners that I intended to draft a resolution commenting on the incident and how the ANC interacts with the public. The topic was included in the notice, but was dropped from the agenda that was posted on the ANC website. I wasn't informed but discovered the omission. The ANC administrator when asked told me that Chair Finley told her to delete it." -- Nancy MacWood
If you want to hang your hat on the "needs to be an emergency" justification, emergencies are serious situations that require immediate action. It was the sponsor of the resolution's last meeting, and the next meeting would include ALL of the commissioners in the offending photo. How likely is it the resolution would see the light of day in that situation? It was now-or-never and important to fully and transparently consider. In the end, the trio did themselves more harm than they would have if they had expressed contrition, agreed with the premise that ANC Commissioners should be respectful of all of their constituents, even when they disagree, and allowed the vote to move forward. It's even possible the resolution wouldn't have passed if they'd done that. It was a missed opportunity.
Exactly. It would have been so easy to be magnanimous. Instead they chose to act like autocratic cowards, which I think really exposes who they are and should concern everyone of their constituents no matter what their position on bike lanes.
They people don’t seem to have learned that the attempted coverup is worse than the crime and they com off so ugly for it that I cannot see how they can reasonably do their jobs effectively.