Anonymous
12/11/2022 23:11
Subject: Are women's standards higher now or is it just a myth?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe having to excel in two spheres (work and home) is easier for women, on avg, and harder for men, on avg. Combine that with the fact that women, on average, don't withhold sex until marriage, you're going to see an increasing number of males not striving to be the best version of themselves.
If the past 50 years can be considered a success for women, someone else is going to be less successful. Social and political revolutions always have knock on effects.
Financial independence is nothing to sneer at, but there are always going to be trade offs and making men less essential could very well mean that their incentives to fulfill our ideals as husband's as father's have been cratered.
Agree, there isn't much incentive today for males to strive to be the best version of themselves.
But if women's standards are higher, in theory, wouldn't that be incentive enough?
Duh, if they are getting free sex via grinder, find no pushback companionship from a dog and daily life is satisfying at this level, what incentive is there?
So you are saying men are becoming gay video gamers with dogs? What is the incentive for women then? Why are women finding incentive and not men?
Hey, I didn't say women had incentives. There are just as many women who find companionship from canines and get sexual satisfaction via quickie hookup apps too.
However, there might be an incentive from knowing that the biological clock has a limit. Men assume they have no biological clock (it's kind of contested by research though).
I meant incentives not to be girl babies. Why do the girls want to grow up but not the guys?
Anonymous
12/11/2022 23:09
Subject: Re:Are women's standards higher now or is it just a myth?
Anonymous wrote:It's funny that most of the loser soy-boys women here are complaining about were themselves raised by single moms. Sad to see a million years of evolution flushed down the toilet by a couple of generations of poor parenting.
Where do you get that from? Not sure what you meant about millions of years of evolution either. Lets see in the 1900's there were major world wars, the century before that a civil war, centuries before that people moved here because they hated their home country and had no promise. what exactly are you referring to? And btw to me it seems like single moms are the ones parenting in your example, not the missing dads.
Anonymous
12/11/2022 22:59
Subject: Re:Are women's standards higher now or is it just a myth?
Women who are professionally and financially secure simply don’t need men now. So, to choose to be in a relationship with man, dedicating her time, energy and effort, the man has to be worth it. In my experience it’s not that women have unrealistic expectations for the men they date. Rather, it is simply that, if they choose to date, these are the expectations. But they are perfectly happy not to date, and not to be in long-term relationships. And more and more frequently not to marry in order to have children. Being in a relationship has to be more rewarding, on balance, than the alternative of spending more time with friends, family, solo, traveling, pursuing hobbies, all kinds of other activities. And now raising children.
As for the idea that women should essentially be dependent on men to prop up their egos, lest all men become man babies, I think that’s bs. First, the bulk f men are not prone to the silliness and have healthy egos not requiring adoration or dependency. Second, women just don’t care. I mean, really, does anyone really care how many man babies there are? They are irrelevant.
And I say all this as a woman happily married to a man I love (and, yess, my expectation, and his, were both high).
As for the idea that women should essentially be dependent on men to prop up their egos, lest all men become man babies, I think that’s bs. First, the bulk f men are not prone to the silliness and have healthy egos not requiring adoration or dependency. Second, women just don’t care. I mean, really, does anyone really care how many man babies there are? They are irrelevant.
And I say all this as a woman happily married to a man I love (and, yess, my expectation, and his, were both high).
Anonymous
12/11/2022 22:39
Subject: Are women's standards higher now or is it just a myth?
If that makes you feel better, sure.
Anonymous
12/11/2022 22:24
Subject: Re:Are women's standards higher now or is it just a myth?
It's funny that most of the loser soy-boys women here are complaining about were themselves raised by single moms. Sad to see a million years of evolution flushed down the toilet by a couple of generations of poor parenting.
Anonymous
12/11/2022 22:21
Subject: Are women's standards higher now or is it just a myth?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Matchmakers (women) are quitting because single women have become completely unreasonable with their wish lists and high standards. The men are dating younger or are dating foreign women.
So, yes.
+1
American women have a captive audience. The vast majority of men never seek out women from other countries and it's 100% their fault. The difference in quality is night and day. I've yet to find an American male expat who prefers American women.
What with the superior qualities known to be hoarded by men who are ex-pats, you'd think this would bother American women, but no.
All the expats I know cheat on their wives. The foreigners can have them.
Anonymous
12/11/2022 22:21
Subject: Are women's standards higher now or is it just a myth?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Matchmakers (women) are quitting because single women have become completely unreasonable with their wish lists and high standards. The men are dating younger or are dating foreign women.
So, yes.
+1
American women have a captive audience. The vast majority of men never seek out women from other countries and it's 100% their fault. The difference in quality is night and day. I've yet to find an American male expat who prefers American women.
When I lived in Europe and met a newly arrived, single American woman out like at a networking event, all us jaded expats would start taking bets on how long she'd last. Few made it to the 6 month mark. They were so used to getting attention in the US, but the expat and local men preferred the local women for various reasons.
It’s the “various reasons” bits that are fascinating…
Probably reasons like:
Have class
Kind
Affectionate
Caring
Fun
Non frumpy appearance
Won't stuff face with entire large deep dish pizza
Spontaneous
Hot body
Not obsessed with career
Anonymous
12/11/2022 22:19
Subject: Are women's standards higher now or is it just a myth?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Matchmakers (women) are quitting because single women have become completely unreasonable with their wish lists and high standards. The men are dating younger or are dating foreign women.
So, yes.
+1
American women have a captive audience. The vast majority of men never seek out women from other countries and it's 100% their fault. The difference in quality is night and day. I've yet to find an American male expat who prefers American women.
What with the superior qualities known to be hoarded by men who are ex-pats, you'd think this would bother American women, but no.
Anonymous
12/11/2022 22:19
Subject: Are women's standards higher now or is it just a myth?
Anonymous wrote:Matchmakers (women) are quitting because single women have become completely unreasonable with their wish lists and high standards. The men are dating younger or are dating foreign women.
So, yes.
My advice to young men is graduate from college and move overseas. A friend of a friend is a high school teacher in India. The students love him, and the other teachers sleep with him.
Anonymous
12/11/2022 22:10
Subject: Are women's standards higher now or is it just a myth?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Matchmakers (women) are quitting because single women have become completely unreasonable with their wish lists and high standards. The men are dating younger or are dating foreign women.
So, yes.
+1
American women have a captive audience. The vast majority of men never seek out women from other countries and it's 100% their fault. The difference in quality is night and day. I've yet to find an American male expat who prefers American women.
When I lived in Europe and met a newly arrived, single American woman out like at a networking event, all us jaded expats would start taking bets on how long she'd last. Few made it to the 6 month mark. They were so used to getting attention in the US, but the expat and local men preferred the local women for various reasons.
Yeah. Europe started world war I and II. I'm not sure what type of people they are meeting but in no way are those counties more civilized.
It’s the “various reasons” bits that are fascinating…
Anonymous
12/11/2022 22:03
Subject: Are women's standards higher now or is it just a myth?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Matchmakers (women) are quitting because single women have become completely unreasonable with their wish lists and high standards. The men are dating younger or are dating foreign women.
So, yes.
+1
American women have a captive audience. The vast majority of men never seek out women from other countries and it's 100% their fault. The difference in quality is night and day. I've yet to find an American male expat who prefers American women.
When I lived in Europe and met a newly arrived, single American woman out like at a networking event, all us jaded expats would start taking bets on how long she'd last. Few made it to the 6 month mark. They were so used to getting attention in the US, but the expat and local men preferred the local women for various reasons.
It’s the “various reasons” bits that are fascinating…
Anonymous
12/11/2022 21:51
Subject: Are women's standards higher now or is it just a myth?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe having to excel in two spheres (work and home) is easier for women, on avg, and harder for men, on avg. Combine that with the fact that women, on average, don't withhold sex until marriage, you're going to see an increasing number of males not striving to be the best version of themselves.
If the past 50 years can be considered a success for women, someone else is going to be less successful. Social and political revolutions always have knock on effects.
Financial independence is nothing to sneer at, but there are always going to be trade offs and making men less essential could very well mean that their incentives to fulfill our ideals as husband's as father's have been cratered.
Hold on. So women, who only recently got the right to work and to exist independently outside of a man, picked up the skill of multi-tasking through osmosis while men's ability to cope and do the same fell in the gutter? And their increased ability to function took away mens' ability to function due to a limited supply? Sure Jan.
I think this is pretty insulting to every woman who lived before 1960. What do you think the avg woman's life was like before reliable birth control and a washing machine. Yes, I think women, on average, have always been better at multitasking then men, on avg.
There’s “multitasking” and then there is literally fighting their way into careers that were closed to women as recently as mothers and grandmothers day, and somehow that is the less challenging task than learning to fold laundry? I think you’re doing a disservice to every woman who became a pilot, a diplomat, a judge, a surgeon in the last 40 years…
The average woman today will never become a pilot, a diplomat, a judge or a surgeon. But now it's also a hell of a lot harder for her to become a mother and wife.
That's weird, I know women that do all of those things and have families.
Anonymous
12/11/2022 21:49
Subject: Are women's standards higher now or is it just a myth?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe having to excel in two spheres (work and home) is easier for women, on avg, and harder for men, on avg. Combine that with the fact that women, on average, don't withhold sex until marriage, you're going to see an increasing number of males not striving to be the best version of themselves.
If the past 50 years can be considered a success for women, someone else is going to be less successful. Social and political revolutions always have knock on effects.
Financial independence is nothing to sneer at, but there are always going to be trade offs and making men less essential could very well mean that their incentives to fulfill our ideals as husband's as father's have been cratered.
Agree, there isn't much incentive today for males to strive to be the best version of themselves.
And what is the best version of manhood? As far as I can tell from this thread it's to be a good feminist. Do we raise our daughters with that sort of reverence and respect for the capabilities of men? My 8 year old son sees all of the girl power stuff my daughter has. There are no 'boy power' t-shirts and stickers.
Yeah it’s so sad that there are so few examples of men in power for them to aspire to…
It's not about aspiring to positions of power. It's about internalizing the archetypes and narratives we've created around girlhood and boyhood.
Anonymous
12/11/2022 21:33
Subject: Are women's standards higher now or is it just a myth?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe having to excel in two spheres (work and home) is easier for women, on avg, and harder for men, on avg. Combine that with the fact that women, on average, don't withhold sex until marriage, you're going to see an increasing number of males not striving to be the best version of themselves.
If the past 50 years can be considered a success for women, someone else is going to be less successful. Social and political revolutions always have knock on effects.
Financial independence is nothing to sneer at, but there are always going to be trade offs and making men less essential could very well mean that their incentives to fulfill our ideals as husband's as father's have been cratered.
Agree, there isn't much incentive today for males to strive to be the best version of themselves.
But if women's standards are higher, in theory, wouldn't that be incentive enough?
Duh, if they are getting free sex via grinder, find no pushback companionship from a dog and daily life is satisfying at this level, what incentive is there?
So you are saying men are becoming gay video gamers with dogs? What is the incentive for women then? Why are women finding incentive and not men?
Hey, I didn't say women had incentives. There are just as many women who find companionship from canines and get sexual satisfaction via quickie hookup apps too.
However, there might be an incentive from knowing that the biological clock has a limit. Men assume they have no biological clock (it's kind of contested by research though).
Anonymous
12/11/2022 21:27
Subject: Are women's standards higher now or is it just a myth?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Matchmakers (women) are quitting because single women have become completely unreasonable with their wish lists and high standards. The men are dating younger or are dating foreign women.
So, yes.
+1
American women have a captive audience. The vast majority of men never seek out women from other countries and it's 100% their fault. The difference in quality is night and day. I've yet to find an American male expat who prefers American women.
When I lived in Europe and met a newly arrived, single American woman out like at a networking event, all us jaded expats would start taking bets on how long she'd last. Few made it to the 6 month mark. They were so used to getting attention in the US, but the expat and local men preferred the local women for various reasons.