Anonymous
12/10/2022 21:14
Subject: Re:VA Tech ED - results
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Deferred from Nova HS 4.1 w, 1450 SAT, lots of ECs, white male, applied to Pamplin
Afraid we are on the deferred/waitlist/deny train.
So Va Tech is harder to get into than William & Mary? I just read the William & Mary ED thread and almost all the accepted stats are around 4.1 or 4.2 weighted with lower SAT. Some 4.0 weighted.
The stats for all enrolled are definitely higher at W&M (SCHEV). DCUM isn't the best source for drawing conclusions.
DP. Here are the SCHEV stats. The 75% at W&M is barely higher than at VT. There is hardly any difference.
https://research.schev.edu/iprofile.asp?UID=233921
https://research.schev.edu/iprofile.asp?UID=231624
Thanks! 44% makes a lot of sense.
BTW, I heard that the applications have been increasing after Tech used Common Apps. One day the admission rate may go down to below 40%.
Anonymous
12/10/2022 20:58
Subject: Re:VA Tech ED - results
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Deferred from Nova HS 4.1 w, 1450 SAT, lots of ECs, white male, applied to Pamplin
Afraid we are on the deferred/waitlist/deny train.
So Va Tech is harder to get into than William & Mary? I just read the William & Mary ED thread and almost all the accepted stats are around 4.1 or 4.2 weighted with lower SAT. Some 4.0 weighted.
The stats for all enrolled are definitely higher at W&M (SCHEV). DCUM isn't the best source for drawing conclusions.
DP. Here are the SCHEV stats. The 75% at W&M is barely higher than at VT. There is hardly any difference.
https://research.schev.edu/iprofile.asp?UID=233921
https://research.schev.edu/iprofile.asp?UID=231624
You think there's barely any difference between a 1420 and a 1520 SAT score, or between a 4.28 and a 4.51 GPA? I'm not saying it's a dramatic difference, but why do you feel the need to downplay it? It is what it is. And the difference between the respective medians is greater.
Anonymous
12/10/2022 19:52
Subject: Re:VA Tech ED - results
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I also think the data about admission rate is mysterious.
Many kids with 4.08, 4.09, 4.1 ish GPA did not get into Tech. But if you google, it says their admission rate is over 70%.
Where does it say that? In-state admission is 44%
https://research.schev.edu/iprofile.asp?UID=233921
NP
Correct. VA Tech has seen a huge increase in applications in 20/21 which led to the plunge in admission rate. While WM has also seen an increase in applications, it has been much smaller, hence their 44% is closer in line with previous years.
Either way, I firmly believe applications will stay high for the next 2-3 yrs, making it tough.
Anonymous
12/10/2022 19:20
Subject: Re:VA Tech ED - results
Anonymous wrote:I also think the data about admission rate is mysterious.
Many kids with 4.08, 4.09, 4.1 ish GPA did not get into Tech. But if you google, it says their admission rate is over 70%.
Where does it say that? In-state admission is 44%
https://research.schev.edu/iprofile.asp?UID=233921
Anonymous
12/10/2022 19:19
Subject: Re:VA Tech ED - results
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Deferred from Nova HS 4.1 w, 1450 SAT, lots of ECs, white male, applied to Pamplin
Afraid we are on the deferred/waitlist/deny train.
So Va Tech is harder to get into than William & Mary? I just read the William & Mary ED thread and almost all the accepted stats are around 4.1 or 4.2 weighted with lower SAT. Some 4.0 weighted.
The stats for all enrolled are definitely higher at W&M (SCHEV). DCUM isn't the best source for drawing conclusions.
DP. Here are the SCHEV stats. The 75% at W&M is barely higher than at VT. There is hardly any difference.
https://research.schev.edu/iprofile.asp?UID=233921
https://research.schev.edu/iprofile.asp?UID=231624
Anonymous
12/10/2022 19:16
Subject: Re:VA Tech ED - results
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Deferred from Nova HS 4.1 w, 1450 SAT, lots of ECs, white male, applied to Pamplin
Afraid we are on the deferred/waitlist/deny train.
So Va Tech is harder to get into than William & Mary? I just read the William & Mary ED thread and almost all the accepted stats are around 4.1 or 4.2 weighted with lower SAT. Some 4.0 weighted.
For Virginians, VT and W&M are practically peer schools right below UVA.
Some Engineering majors at VT are considered peer to UVA.
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Also, many kids just don’t like the vibe at W&M and don’t even apply. For certain students W&M is amazing. None of my DC’s friends applied to W&M. Most applied to UVA and VT.
+1
Anonymous
12/10/2022 19:15
Subject: Re:VA Tech ED - results
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Deferred from Nova HS 4.1 w, 1450 SAT, lots of ECs, white male, applied to Pamplin
Afraid we are on the deferred/waitlist/deny train.
So Va Tech is harder to get into than William & Mary? I just read the William & Mary ED thread and almost all the accepted stats are around 4.1 or 4.2 weighted with lower SAT. Some 4.0 weighted.
For in-state students for some majors (e.g., engineering and business), yes it is harder to get into VT than W&M. But overall - if you look at school wide average stats - no.
The in-state acceptance rate for both schools is 44%.
Anonymous
12/10/2022 19:14
Subject: Re:VA Tech ED - results
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Deferred from Nova HS 4.1 w, 1450 SAT, lots of ECs, white male, applied to Pamplin
Afraid we are on the deferred/waitlist/deny train.
So Va Tech is harder to get into than William & Mary? I just read the William & Mary ED thread and almost all the accepted stats are around 4.1 or 4.2 weighted with lower SAT. Some 4.0 weighted.
VT and W&M had the same in-state acceptance rate last year - 44%.
Anonymous
12/10/2022 19:12
Subject: VA Tech ED - results
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: Only one friend got in who had lower scores but first time college family.
Increasing first gen students at the school is an institutional priority for VT, so it very well could have tipped the balance here.
(NP)
Absolutely. They have a stated goal of 40% URM and first generation.
+1. The President has said this several times. Google it
The same people keep repeating this, ad nauseum. We know. However, you're forgetting about the other 60+% of students who are accepted. Stop making excuses.
No excuses. This is a fact. The president of them only polytechnic university in the state wants 40 percent URM and first generation. The population of the state is not 40 percent URM. That is called social engineering. Many question if that is the proper role of the only public polytechnic. Read Chrinicke if Higher Education before casting aspirations. This is called a newsworthy issue so open to decays. Stop shutting down those who actually know what is going on.
The population of VT will never be anywhere near 40% URM. People are fixated on the URM portion of the goal and use that to misconstrue what is actually happening. BTW, what percent of the state is first generation? My guess is that it's higher than URM.
Anonymous
12/10/2022 19:09
Subject: VA Tech ED - results
Anonymous wrote:PP again, and their yield is not great, so why turn away excellent students who would go there? This is the part I don’t get.
Are you kidding? They always have a waitlist of kids who are hoping against hope to get in.
Anonymous
12/10/2022 19:08
Subject: VA Tech ED - results
Anonymous wrote:I’m in favor of offering opportunities to first generation college students, even if they don’t always have the highest SATs. If they come from weaker high schools, they should be supported to succeed. That said, there’s still 60% of the class to fill and I honestly don’t understand the deferrals on top students UNLESS the fear is that VT is the allowable state school in addition to one private school. My understanding is you can apply to one of each. In that case, the admission does not guarantee an enrollment. How to close this gap, of denying top students who really want to go to VT? Or, is it bc they want state-wide student body? I’m still a bit puzzled by admissions.
I'm not sure what you mean by the bolded. Could you clarify?
Anonymous
12/10/2022 19:07
Subject: VA Tech ED - results
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: Only one friend got in who had lower scores but first time college family.
It’s a hook, as it should be. OP wasn’t implying he wasn’t qualified or shouldn’t have an edge bc of being first gen.
OP absolutely implied that when they mentioned the “lower scores.”
Yep. And FTR - first gen does not imply lower scores, as some of you seem to claim. You still have to have the stats.
Anonymous
12/10/2022 19:04
Subject: VA Tech ED - results
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: Only one friend got in who had lower scores but first time college family.
Increasing first gen students at the school is an institutional priority for VT, so it very well could have tipped the balance here.
(NP)
Absolutely. They have a stated goal of 40% URM and first generation.
+1. The President has said this several times. Google it
The same people keep repeating this, ad nauseum. We know. However, you're forgetting about the other 60+% of students who are accepted. Stop making excuses.
I am not making excuses. My child is there now. That is how I know that the admissions director says this every time he speaks to parents. I personally (I can't speak for other posters) have little respect for that school for a multitude of reasons so I'm not upset or surprised at their admissions policies; it's their school so have at it.
I also have a child at VT right now. I'm sorry you have "little respect" for the school - I feel exactly the opposite. I would be furious if I found out they were practicing social engineering on the down low (like virtually every other university). Instead, they're completely transparent about it - which earns my respect. It's a great school and in such demand by many. As you say, it's "their school, so have at it" - they don't owe you or anyone else anything.
Anonymous
12/10/2022 19:01
Subject: VA Tech ED - results
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: Only one friend got in who had lower scores but first time college family.
Increasing first gen students at the school is an institutional priority for VT, so it very well could have tipped the balance here.
(NP)
Absolutely. They have a stated goal of 40% URM and first generation.
+1. The President has said this several times. Google it
The same people keep repeating this, ad nauseum. We know. However, you're forgetting about the other 60+% of students who are accepted. Stop making excuses.
No excuses. This is a fact. The president of them only polytechnic university in the state wants 40 percent URM and first generation. The population of the state is not 40 percent URM. That is called social engineering. Many question if that is the proper role of the only public polytechnic. Read Chrinicke if Higher Education before casting aspirations. This is called a newsworthy issue so open to decays. Stop shutting down those who actually know what is going on.
No one is "shutting you down."
The PP is correct - why are you acting like they *only* accept URM/1st gen when the FACT is that the majority of students are not selected using that criteria at all? Personally, I also hate social engineering. However, at least VT is transparent about it rather than hiding this information like most other schools. They all engage in it in some form or another.
You continue to repeat the same things over and over and over again.
Anonymous
12/10/2022 16:27
Subject: Re:VA Tech ED - results
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Deferred from Nova HS 4.1 w, 1450 SAT, lots of ECs, white male, applied to Pamplin
Afraid we are on the deferred/waitlist/deny train.
So Va Tech is harder to get into than William & Mary? I just read the William & Mary ED thread and almost all the accepted stats are around 4.1 or 4.2 weighted with lower SAT. Some 4.0 weighted.
For Virginians, VT and W&M are practically peer schools right below UVA.
Some Engineering majors at VT are considered peer to UVA.
‘
Also, many kids just don’t like the vibe at W&M and don’t even apply. For certain students W&M is amazing. None of my DC’s friends applied to W&M. Most applied to UVA and VT.
It's interesting, After readng threads and consulting with classmates, DS was so turned off by the admissions process at Tech, he's not even bothering to apply. A likely CS not even willing to consider the commonwealth's "tech school".