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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else just happy that this is the end of Youngkin? Either he comes out in support of a ban and becomes unelectable with his moderate appeal or he doesn't and he becomes unelectable after alienating his base.

"The end of Youngkin"? What are you smoking? He may not be eligible to run for a consecutive gubernatorial term, but he can certainly run for other offices. I hope he does.

These abortion bans and attempts at abortion bans didn't start with Youngkin and won't end with him. Youngkin and everyone like him needs to be defeated wherever they are.

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Anonymous wrote:There is at least one special election for state senate where an abortion ban can be dodged....

Yup

This election is happening right now in VA Beach. If you know people and care about abortion rights, please get involved. Groups all over the DMV are phonebanking and a few groups will be going down to canvass the weekend of January 7th. Rouse is an exceptional candidate. Former NFL player, VT Hokie and current City Council lawmaker. He's deeply involve in the community but this is a special election so it will be ALL about voter turn out. This is Youngkin's backyard and there are indications he's looking for a win after doing so terribly with his national tour.

It's also not just about Virginia. Abortion is banned in basically all of the states South of VA. NC might be able to hold on to some legal abortion but they continue to have a GOP dominated State legislature. Over a third of the women in the US live in Southern States. This would make it all the harder for those women to get access to lifesaving healthcare.

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Anonymous wrote:I do'nt understand what I'm reading, honestly.

What do you not understand?
Youngkin ran on banning all contraceptives, all abortions, IVF, any women's medical issues. Not one exception for age, rape or incest. So a 10 year old gets pregnant in VA she gets to carry.

The only reason he has not been able to pass anything is L Louise Lucas

There is a chance this will pass.

Virginia voters are idiots. FACT.

From a full abortion ban to privatizing schools welcome to the handmaid's tale and the new Alabama or Missouri.

Anyone sending a college student to any school in VA stupid. Women are going to die in droves.

Youngkin didn't run on those things. During the election people were on here saying he was being secretive about his real plans, telling a pro-lifer that he would do things after he was elected.

Oh please, you had to be a fool to think he was not running on these items.

Everyone with a brain knew he was a liar.

So you agree he wasn't running on those things explicitly. You have to call him a liar to attribute these positions to him.

Depends on what you mean by "explicitly", doesn't it? Did he say, in so many words, that he supported those positions? No. Did he make it clear that he did support them? Yes.

You confirmed the point. Not only was he not running on those things, he didn't even express support according to you. That is more than what Mitt Romney did in Massachusetts, who expressed support but said he wouldn't push any of these things.

He could have done that, but he didn’t. Because he DOES want to push those things.

He said he’d “go on the offense” against women’s rights after the election. He couldn’t talk about it before the election or he’d lose the Independent vote. Words right out of his mouth.

Yes he did. The whole point is that he was NOT running on abortion, and was hiding his true plans from voters. Opponents were eager to publicize his true plans when his statement were the opposite.

This is a pointless argument now that he is governor. Everyone seems to be acknowledging it is not correct that he did not run on these things, just with some people saying this is his true feelings. We will see what he proposes, which I was under the impression that Democrats in government would not support any restrictions.
This will be an issue in elections in 2023.

No, the comparison was to Romney who came out and explicitly said he was NOT going push abortion restrictions. Youngkin didn't say anything at all about it except that he would "go on the offense" after the election because he didn't want to turn off Independent voters.

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Anonymous wrote:I do'nt understand what I'm reading, honestly.

What do you not understand?
Youngkin ran on banning all contraceptives, all abortions, IVF, any women's medical issues. Not one exception for age, rape or incest. So a 10 year old gets pregnant in VA she gets to carry.

The only reason he has not been able to pass anything is L Louise Lucas

There is a chance this will pass.

Virginia voters are idiots. FACT.

From a full abortion ban to privatizing schools welcome to the handmaid's tale and the new Alabama or Missouri.

Anyone sending a college student to any school in VA stupid. Women are going to die in droves.

Youngkin didn't run on those things. During the election people were on here saying he was being secretive about his real plans, telling a pro-lifer that he would do things after he was elected.

Oh please, you had to be a fool to think he was not running on these items.

Everyone with a brain knew he was a liar.

So you agree he wasn't running on those things explicitly. You have to call him a liar to attribute these positions to him.

Depends on what you mean by "explicitly", doesn't it? Did he say, in so many words, that he supported those positions? No. Did he make it clear that he did support them? Yes.

You confirmed the point. Not only was he not running on those things, he didn't even express support according to you. That is more than what Mitt Romney did in Massachusetts, who expressed support but said he wouldn't push any of these things.

He could have done that, but he didn’t. Because he DOES want to push those things.

He said he’d “go on the offense” against women’s rights after the election. He couldn’t talk about it before the election or he’d lose the Independent vote. Words right out of his mouth.

Yes he did. The whole point is that he was NOT running on abortion, and was hiding his true plans from voters. Opponents were eager to publicize his true plans when his statement were the opposite.

This is a pointless argument now that he is governor. Everyone seems to be acknowledging it is not correct that he did not run on these things, just with some people saying this is his true feelings. We will see what he proposes, which I was under the impression that Democrats in government would not support any restrictions.
This will be an issue in elections in 2023.

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Anonymous wrote:So proud of Lucas.

And, yes, Virginia voters seem to assume this won't affect them. They are wrong.

Will we start seeing VA abortion refugees in DC and MD?

People think that there is a blue wall around NoVa, but state politics does impact NoVa, too.

DC or MD is a 20 minute drive. NOVA will be fine, it the people who live further out that will be impacted

Right now that's true. There is a provider shortage and with women from all the other states that have a ban also coming to the area appointments may be hard to get if that happens DC and MD may prioritize residents for services. NoVa being close won't matter.

And what if we have a pregnancy complication? I wouldn’t be able to use my own OB?

I should be able to get health care in my own state. I shouldn’t be forced to travel for health care because religious extremists are forcing their religious beliefs on me.

Many of your fellow Virginians do not seem to care about that.

Anonymous wrote:There is at least one special election for state senate where an abortion ban can be dodged....

Yup

There is at least one special election for state senate where an abortion ban can be dodged....

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Anonymous wrote:So proud of Lucas.

And, yes, Virginia voters seem to assume this won't affect them. They are wrong.

Will we start seeing VA abortion refugees in DC and MD?

People think that there is a blue wall around NoVa, but state politics does impact NoVa, too.

DC or MD is a 20 minute drive. NOVA will be fine, it the people who live further out that will be impacted

Right now that's true. There is a provider shortage and with women from all the other states that have a ban also coming to the area appointments may be hard to get if that happens DC and MD may prioritize residents for services. NoVa being close won't matter.

And what if we have a pregnancy complication? I wouldn’t be able to use my own OB?

I should be able to get health care in my own state. I shouldn’t be forced to travel for health care because religious extremists are forcing their religious beliefs on me.

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Anonymous wrote:So proud of Lucas.

And, yes, Virginia voters seem to assume this won't affect them. They are wrong.

Will we start seeing VA abortion refugees in DC and MD?

People think that there is a blue wall around NoVa, but state politics does impact NoVa, too.

DC or MD is a 20 minute drive. NOVA will be fine, it the people who live further out that will be impacted

Right now that's true. There is a provider shortage and with women from all the other states that have a ban also coming to the area appointments may be hard to get if that happens DC and MD may prioritize residents for services. NoVa being close won't matter.

Prolifer- I live in VA and haven’t done enough to keep updated on this issue and ways to get involved. Anyone have some suggestions/ yes I can google. Sometimes getting recommendations helps narrow the scope a bit.

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Anonymous wrote:I do'nt understand what I'm reading, honestly.

What do you not understand?
Youngkin ran on banning all contraceptives, all abortions, IVF, any women's medical issues. Not one exception for age, rape or incest. So a 10 year old gets pregnant in VA she gets to carry.

The only reason he has not been able to pass anything is L Louise Lucas

There is a chance this will pass.

Virginia voters are idiots. FACT.

From a full abortion ban to privatizing schools welcome to the handmaid's tale and the new Alabama or Missouri.

Anyone sending a college student to any school in VA stupid. Women are going to die in droves.

Youngkin didn't run on those things. During the election people were on here saying he was being secretive about his real plans, telling a pro-lifer that he would do things after he was elected.

Oh please, you had to be a fool to think he was not running on these items.

Everyone with a brain knew he was a liar.

So you agree he wasn't running on those things explicitly. You have to call him a liar to attribute these positions to him.

Depends on what you mean by "explicitly", doesn't it? Did he say, in so many words, that he supported those positions? No. Did he make it clear that he did support them? Yes.

You confirmed the point. Not only was he not running on those things, he didn't even express support according to you. That is more than what Mitt Romney did in Massachusetts, who expressed support but said he wouldn't push any of these things.

He could have done that, but he didn’t. Because he DOES want to push those things.

He said he’d “go on the offense” against women’s rights after the election. He couldn’t talk about it before the election or he’d lose the Independent vote. Words right out of his mouth.

Do you really not understand a politician can state how he personally feels and keep it separate from what he intends to pursue? It's simply not enough for you when a candidate says they're pro life but won't pursue an abortion ban. They must say they're in favor of no holds barred, abortion til end of the pregnancy or they're an extremist, religious zealot.

If that were the case for Youngkin, he easily could have come out with a statement like Romney.

He didn't because, as he said himself, he's "going to go on the offense" against women's rights. He's biding time until he can get enough pro-life Ds on board and/or flip a few seats next year.

He's a religious extremist who has no place in our government.

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else just happy that this is the end of Youngkin? Either he comes out in support of a ban and becomes unelectable with his moderate appeal or he doesn't and he becomes unelectable after alienating his base.

"The end of Youngkin"? What are you smoking? He may not be eligible to run for a consecutive gubernatorial term, but he can certainly run for other offices. I hope he does.

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Anonymous wrote:I do'nt understand what I'm reading, honestly.

What do you not understand?
Youngkin ran on banning all contraceptives, all abortions, IVF, any women's medical issues. Not one exception for age, rape or incest. So a 10 year old gets pregnant in VA she gets to carry.

The only reason he has not been able to pass anything is L Louise Lucas

There is a chance this will pass.

Virginia voters are idiots. FACT.

From a full abortion ban to privatizing schools welcome to the handmaid's tale and the new Alabama or Missouri.

Anyone sending a college student to any school in VA stupid. Women are going to die in droves.

Youngkin didn't run on those things. During the election people were on here saying he was being secretive about his real plans, telling a pro-lifer that he would do things after he was elected.

Oh please, you had to be a fool to think he was not running on these items.

Everyone with a brain knew he was a liar.

So you agree he wasn't running on those things explicitly. You have to call him a liar to attribute these positions to him.

Depends on what you mean by "explicitly", doesn't it? Did he say, in so many words, that he supported those positions? No. Did he make it clear that he did support them? Yes.

You confirmed the point. Not only was he not running on those things, he didn't even express support according to you. That is more than what Mitt Romney did in Massachusetts, who expressed support but said he wouldn't push any of these things.

He could have done that, but he didn’t. Because he DOES want to push those things.

He said he’d “go on the offense” against women’s rights after the election. He couldn’t talk about it before the election or he’d lose the Independent vote. Words right out of his mouth.

Do you really not understand a politician can state how he personally feels and keep it separate from what he intends to pursue? It's simply not enough for you when a candidate says they're pro life but won't pursue an abortion ban. They must say they're in favor of no holds barred, abortion til end of the pregnancy or they're an extremist, religious zealot.

THIS. Well said. I think it's clear who the zealots are, and they're out in full force on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I do'nt understand what I'm reading, honestly.

What do you not understand?
Youngkin ran on banning all contraceptives, all abortions, IVF, any women's medical issues. Not one exception for age, rape or incest. So a 10 year old gets pregnant in VA she gets to carry.

The only reason he has not been able to pass anything is L Louise Lucas

There is a chance this will pass.

Virginia voters are idiots. FACT.

From a full abortion ban to privatizing schools welcome to the handmaid's tale and the new Alabama or Missouri.

Anyone sending a college student to any school in VA stupid. Women are going to die in droves.

Youngkin didn't run on those things. During the election people were on here saying he was being secretive about his real plans, telling a pro-lifer that he would do things after he was elected.

Oh please, you had to be a fool to think he was not running on these items.

Everyone with a brain knew he was a liar.

So you agree he wasn't running on those things explicitly. You have to call him a liar to attribute these positions to him.

Depends on what you mean by "explicitly", doesn't it? Did he say, in so many words, that he supported those positions? No. Did he make it clear that he did support them? Yes.

You confirmed the point. Not only was he not running on those things, he didn't even express support according to you. That is more than what Mitt Romney did in Massachusetts, who expressed support but said he wouldn't push any of these things.

Reading comprehension, please.