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Anonymous wrote:PG is tough on crime, unlike MoCo. We don't have woke officials on our County Board.

https://wtop.com/prince-georges-county/2022/09/prince-georges-co-to-enforce-teen-curfew-to-combat-crime-these-kids-dont-just-need-a-hug/

Prince George’s County Executive Angela Alsobrooks says police in the Maryland county will begin stepping up enforcement of an already on-the-books curfew to keep teens off the streets at night, amid a rise in carjackings and other violent crime.

Wow, this might be the first time ever, in way too many years on DCUM, that somebody used Prince George's County as a positive example (as opposed to an example of their own racism). I'm going to check out the window for pigs flying.

Yup. I do think Black politicians - who understand the very real effects of crime in PG - know they need to get tough, while ensuring their police aren't doing it in a racially biased way.

This is exactly right. And what's wrecking Montgomery County, at least, is a bunch of white progressives who think they are being allies, but who are in fact bringing more pain to marginalized communities in the form of increased crime. I invite Elrich, the entire Council, and all their little activist buddies to spend a week living in the Enclave. And see how they like it.

So let's see. The Enclave is in state district 20 and county council district 5. And whom did the voters who actually live in state district 20 and county council district 5 (which you probably don't) elect as their representatives, just last month? 4 non-white progressives and 1 white progressive. How about that.

DP. And do any of these politicians live in the Enclave? Have they even visited?

I grimace when I think of this council addressing crime. I don’t see how they are remotely qualified to do so. Have they attended the MCPD Citizen’s Academy? Have they even done a ride-along?

It’s pretty easy to address crime from afar, when it doesn’t touch the street you live on. I’ve been the victim of a crime in Montgomery County. I want a present and supported police force, and I worry that’s not what we’ll get with this council. The current plan is to reduce police presence to reduce crime. How does that even remotely make sense?

I'm guessing the voters who live in the Enclave have a better understanding of living in the Enclave, and of their own interests and priorities, than you do.

Perhaps, but I am pretty confident saying I know more about our police department than they do. At least I’ve done several ride-alongs. Let’s not pretend for a second that the previous council improved safety in Montgomery County. You don’t have to look any further than the crime reports to see that. They also decimated MCPD, which used to be the most sought-out department by recruits. Now they can’t even fill a class because recruits can go to neighboring counties for better pay and more support.

And listening to constituents? No, they didn’t do that, either. The council and exec listened to a task force of 3 students before removing SROs. 3, out of 160,000. Meanwhile, PGCPS actually sent out a community-wide survey. 80% of respondents said to keep them. I doubt there will be a ton of listening going on by the current council, but I would love to see them prove me wrong.

So, are they prepared to handle crime? Not remotely. I’ll change my mind when I see one of them learn a little bit about policing instead of issuing self-serving statements.

That's some chutzpah there. You've done several ride-alongs, so you know more about what's good for east county voters than the east county voters themselves and the people they just elected/re-elected. Wow.

Um… why did you assume I don’t live in east county?

I stand by my statements. I’ve watched the council for the past few years because I am very concerned about increasing crime. All I’ve seen are things that make me worry. The Reimagining Public Safety Task force? Recommendations to decrease police presence by 50% in Silver Spring and Wheaton? Stopping enforcement of quality of life crimes? A suggestion to remove guns from the officers? How does any of this come across as logical and reasoned?

Look at the incidents in MCPS. It was Elrich and the past council who removed SROs against the desire of the school system. How do they know what’s better for students and staff than the educators and administrators?

I live in reality. I want to feel safe in my community. So you call it “churzpah.” I call it holding these representatives accountable.

Ok, so you live in the east county. Well, the majority of your voting neighbors disagree with you. That's democracy.

You have yet to comment on crime itself: the increasing statistics, the task force recommendations, the lack of research before removing SROs, etc.

Is it just “my candidate won,” or is it “let’s get to work”? I’m not seeing that you’re actually concerned about crime. I guess it hasn’t affected you as it has me.

No. It's that east county voters JUST voted to elect progressives (of whom 4 of 5 are non-white, and 4 of 5 were actually RE-elected) to represent them in the Maryland General Assembly and the County Council, and your take on this is "a bunch of white progressives who think they are being allies, but who are in fact bringing more pain to marginalized communities in the form of increased crime". Terrible take.

I am not that poster. I have made no statement about “a bunch of white progressives.” I have ONLY provided true facts about crime and the previous council’s affect on the county.

Once again: will you only comment on the election, or do you have a comment about crime?

You haven't provided any "true facts" about crime. You have only provided your personal opinions.

Here you go! Read away:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/CrimeandSafety/2021%20MCPD%20Annual%20Report%20on%20Crime%20and%20Safety.pdf

One note: when you see that “crimes against society” are down 37%, know that is because police are now discouraged from stopping people from using drugs or drinking in public, urinating / defecating, etc. It’s still happening, just isn’t reported.

Therefore, my opinions are grounded in fact. As for other facts I have posted, would you care to comment on the way SROs were removed without community comment? That’s another fact.

"SROs were removed without community comment" is the opposite of fact.

Sure, if you consider a panel of 3 students sufficient for a population of 160,000 students and no community-wide survey. Meanwhile, Prince George’s handled it this way:
https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/pgcps/Board.nsf/files/BXNW286FF2A9/$file/SRO%20Presentation%20v1%20PPT%20(1).pdf

There was plenty of community comment. It's just that most of the comments were from community members with opinions you disagree with.

Where were these advertised? Was everybody given ample opportunity to comment? If the council and exec wanted to do this properly, they would have had a community-wide survey. Does it shock you that PGCPS’s survey shows 80% support for SROs? Is it so unreasonable to assume that a similar survey conducted here would show the same? Until this is done for MCPS, no… this was NOT a well-handled, community-informed decision. (Does it matter that the principals unanimously wanted to keep them? No. They were ignored.)

Can you really support a 3-student panel? You’re okay with that?

You're complaining about process because you don't like the outcome.

NP
Do you honestly and truly think that was a fair process?

What was unfair about it?

The fact they ignored dissenting voices, which happened to be the very people with knowledge and expertise in this subject?

I’m in awe of the fact you’re comfortable with 3 voices representing 160,000, and that you think that was a fair process. Where were the surveys? The widely-advertised panel discussions? Wide-net calls for community input?

I expect more. Elected officials MUST rely on those who have subject expertise, which did not happen. You’re okay with that, perhaps because it doesn’t affect you. It does affect me and I find it disgusting.

They didn't ignore dissenting voices. The opinions of the principals were no secret. What they did was make a decision that was different from what the principals wanted. That's what we elect them to do. And it happens all the time, generally, in government. And it SHOULD happen all the time. Otherwise we'd have the "unelected bureaucrats" making the decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:PG is tough on crime, unlike MoCo. We don't have woke officials on our County Board.

https://wtop.com/prince-georges-county/2022/09/prince-georges-co-to-enforce-teen-curfew-to-combat-crime-these-kids-dont-just-need-a-hug/

Prince George’s County Executive Angela Alsobrooks says police in the Maryland county will begin stepping up enforcement of an already on-the-books curfew to keep teens off the streets at night, amid a rise in carjackings and other violent crime.

Wow, this might be the first time ever, in way too many years on DCUM, that somebody used Prince George's County as a positive example (as opposed to an example of their own racism). I'm going to check out the window for pigs flying.

Yup. I do think Black politicians - who understand the very real effects of crime in PG - know they need to get tough, while ensuring their police aren't doing it in a racially biased way.

This is exactly right. And what's wrecking Montgomery County, at least, is a bunch of white progressives who think they are being allies, but who are in fact bringing more pain to marginalized communities in the form of increased crime. I invite Elrich, the entire Council, and all their little activist buddies to spend a week living in the Enclave. And see how they like it.

So let's see. The Enclave is in state district 20 and county council district 5. And whom did the voters who actually live in state district 20 and county council district 5 (which you probably don't) elect as their representatives, just last month? 4 non-white progressives and 1 white progressive. How about that.

DP. And do any of these politicians live in the Enclave? Have they even visited?

I grimace when I think of this council addressing crime. I don’t see how they are remotely qualified to do so. Have they attended the MCPD Citizen’s Academy? Have they even done a ride-along?

It’s pretty easy to address crime from afar, when it doesn’t touch the street you live on. I’ve been the victim of a crime in Montgomery County. I want a present and supported police force, and I worry that’s not what we’ll get with this council. The current plan is to reduce police presence to reduce crime. How does that even remotely make sense?

I'm guessing the voters who live in the Enclave have a better understanding of living in the Enclave, and of their own interests and priorities, than you do.

Perhaps, but I am pretty confident saying I know more about our police department than they do. At least I’ve done several ride-alongs. Let’s not pretend for a second that the previous council improved safety in Montgomery County. You don’t have to look any further than the crime reports to see that. They also decimated MCPD, which used to be the most sought-out department by recruits. Now they can’t even fill a class because recruits can go to neighboring counties for better pay and more support.

And listening to constituents? No, they didn’t do that, either. The council and exec listened to a task force of 3 students before removing SROs. 3, out of 160,000. Meanwhile, PGCPS actually sent out a community-wide survey. 80% of respondents said to keep them. I doubt there will be a ton of listening going on by the current council, but I would love to see them prove me wrong.

So, are they prepared to handle crime? Not remotely. I’ll change my mind when I see one of them learn a little bit about policing instead of issuing self-serving statements.

That's some chutzpah there. You've done several ride-alongs, so you know more about what's good for east county voters than the east county voters themselves and the people they just elected/re-elected. Wow.

Um… why did you assume I don’t live in east county?

I stand by my statements. I’ve watched the council for the past few years because I am very concerned about increasing crime. All I’ve seen are things that make me worry. The Reimagining Public Safety Task force? Recommendations to decrease police presence by 50% in Silver Spring and Wheaton? Stopping enforcement of quality of life crimes? A suggestion to remove guns from the officers? How does any of this come across as logical and reasoned?

Look at the incidents in MCPS. It was Elrich and the past council who removed SROs against the desire of the school system. How do they know what’s better for students and staff than the educators and administrators?

I live in reality. I want to feel safe in my community. So you call it “churzpah.” I call it holding these representatives accountable.

Ok, so you live in the east county. Well, the majority of your voting neighbors disagree with you. That's democracy.

You have yet to comment on crime itself: the increasing statistics, the task force recommendations, the lack of research before removing SROs, etc.

Is it just “my candidate won,” or is it “let’s get to work”? I’m not seeing that you’re actually concerned about crime. I guess it hasn’t affected you as it has me.

No. It's that east county voters JUST voted to elect progressives (of whom 4 of 5 are non-white, and 4 of 5 were actually RE-elected) to represent them in the Maryland General Assembly and the County Council, and your take on this is "a bunch of white progressives who think they are being allies, but who are in fact bringing more pain to marginalized communities in the form of increased crime". Terrible take.

I am not that poster. I have made no statement about “a bunch of white progressives.” I have ONLY provided true facts about crime and the previous council’s affect on the county.

Once again: will you only comment on the election, or do you have a comment about crime?

You haven't provided any "true facts" about crime. You have only provided your personal opinions.

Here you go! Read away:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/CrimeandSafety/2021%20MCPD%20Annual%20Report%20on%20Crime%20and%20Safety.pdf

One note: when you see that “crimes against society” are down 37%, know that is because police are now discouraged from stopping people from using drugs or drinking in public, urinating / defecating, etc. It’s still happening, just isn’t reported.

Therefore, my opinions are grounded in fact. As for other facts I have posted, would you care to comment on the way SROs were removed without community comment? That’s another fact.

"SROs were removed without community comment" is the opposite of fact.

Sure, if you consider a panel of 3 students sufficient for a population of 160,000 students and no community-wide survey. Meanwhile, Prince George’s handled it this way:
https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/pgcps/Board.nsf/files/BXNW286FF2A9/$file/SRO%20Presentation%20v1%20PPT%20(1).pdf

There was plenty of community comment. It's just that most of the comments were from community members with opinions you disagree with.

Where were these advertised? Was everybody given ample opportunity to comment? If the council and exec wanted to do this properly, they would have had a community-wide survey. Does it shock you that PGCPS’s survey shows 80% support for SROs? Is it so unreasonable to assume that a similar survey conducted here would show the same? Until this is done for MCPS, no… this was NOT a well-handled, community-informed decision. (Does it matter that the principals unanimously wanted to keep them? No. They were ignored.)

Can you really support a 3-student panel? You’re okay with that?

You're complaining about process because you don't like the outcome.

NP
Do you honestly and truly think that was a fair process?

What was unfair about it?

The fact they ignored dissenting voices, which happened to be the very people with knowledge and expertise in this subject?

I’m in awe of the fact you’re comfortable with 3 voices representing 160,000, and that you think that was a fair process. Where were the surveys? The widely-advertised panel discussions? Wide-net calls for community input?

I expect more. Elected officials MUST rely on those who have subject expertise, which did not happen. You’re okay with that, perhaps because it doesn’t affect you. It does affect me and I find it disgusting.

They didn't ignore dissenting voices. The opinions of the principals were no secret. What they did was make a decision that was different from what the principals wanted. That's what we elect them to do. And it happens all the time, generally, in government. And it SHOULD happen all the time. Otherwise we'd have the "unelected bureaucrats" making the decisions.

So we have uninformed, myopic elected officials making decisions instead. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:PG is tough on crime, unlike MoCo. We don't have woke officials on our County Board.

https://wtop.com/prince-georges-county/2022/09/prince-georges-co-to-enforce-teen-curfew-to-combat-crime-these-kids-dont-just-need-a-hug/

Prince George’s County Executive Angela Alsobrooks says police in the Maryland county will begin stepping up enforcement of an already on-the-books curfew to keep teens off the streets at night, amid a rise in carjackings and other violent crime.

Wow, this might be the first time ever, in way too many years on DCUM, that somebody used Prince George's County as a positive example (as opposed to an example of their own racism). I'm going to check out the window for pigs flying.

Yup. I do think Black politicians - who understand the very real effects of crime in PG - know they need to get tough, while ensuring their police aren't doing it in a racially biased way.

This is exactly right. And what's wrecking Montgomery County, at least, is a bunch of white progressives who think they are being allies, but who are in fact bringing more pain to marginalized communities in the form of increased crime. I invite Elrich, the entire Council, and all their little activist buddies to spend a week living in the Enclave. And see how they like it.

So let's see. The Enclave is in state district 20 and county council district 5. And whom did the voters who actually live in state district 20 and county council district 5 (which you probably don't) elect as their representatives, just last month? 4 non-white progressives and 1 white progressive. How about that.

DP. And do any of these politicians live in the Enclave? Have they even visited?

I grimace when I think of this council addressing crime. I don’t see how they are remotely qualified to do so. Have they attended the MCPD Citizen’s Academy? Have they even done a ride-along?

It’s pretty easy to address crime from afar, when it doesn’t touch the street you live on. I’ve been the victim of a crime in Montgomery County. I want a present and supported police force, and I worry that’s not what we’ll get with this council. The current plan is to reduce police presence to reduce crime. How does that even remotely make sense?

I'm guessing the voters who live in the Enclave have a better understanding of living in the Enclave, and of their own interests and priorities, than you do.

Perhaps, but I am pretty confident saying I know more about our police department than they do. At least I’ve done several ride-alongs. Let’s not pretend for a second that the previous council improved safety in Montgomery County. You don’t have to look any further than the crime reports to see that. They also decimated MCPD, which used to be the most sought-out department by recruits. Now they can’t even fill a class because recruits can go to neighboring counties for better pay and more support.

And listening to constituents? No, they didn’t do that, either. The council and exec listened to a task force of 3 students before removing SROs. 3, out of 160,000. Meanwhile, PGCPS actually sent out a community-wide survey. 80% of respondents said to keep them. I doubt there will be a ton of listening going on by the current council, but I would love to see them prove me wrong.

So, are they prepared to handle crime? Not remotely. I’ll change my mind when I see one of them learn a little bit about policing instead of issuing self-serving statements.

That's some chutzpah there. You've done several ride-alongs, so you know more about what's good for east county voters than the east county voters themselves and the people they just elected/re-elected. Wow.

Um… why did you assume I don’t live in east county?

I stand by my statements. I’ve watched the council for the past few years because I am very concerned about increasing crime. All I’ve seen are things that make me worry. The Reimagining Public Safety Task force? Recommendations to decrease police presence by 50% in Silver Spring and Wheaton? Stopping enforcement of quality of life crimes? A suggestion to remove guns from the officers? How does any of this come across as logical and reasoned?

Look at the incidents in MCPS. It was Elrich and the past council who removed SROs against the desire of the school system. How do they know what’s better for students and staff than the educators and administrators?

I live in reality. I want to feel safe in my community. So you call it “churzpah.” I call it holding these representatives accountable.

Ok, so you live in the east county. Well, the majority of your voting neighbors disagree with you. That's democracy.

You have yet to comment on crime itself: the increasing statistics, the task force recommendations, the lack of research before removing SROs, etc.

Is it just “my candidate won,” or is it “let’s get to work”? I’m not seeing that you’re actually concerned about crime. I guess it hasn’t affected you as it has me.

No. It's that east county voters JUST voted to elect progressives (of whom 4 of 5 are non-white, and 4 of 5 were actually RE-elected) to represent them in the Maryland General Assembly and the County Council, and your take on this is "a bunch of white progressives who think they are being allies, but who are in fact bringing more pain to marginalized communities in the form of increased crime". Terrible take.

I am not that poster. I have made no statement about “a bunch of white progressives.” I have ONLY provided true facts about crime and the previous council’s affect on the county.

Once again: will you only comment on the election, or do you have a comment about crime?

You haven't provided any "true facts" about crime. You have only provided your personal opinions.

Here you go! Read away:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/CrimeandSafety/2021%20MCPD%20Annual%20Report%20on%20Crime%20and%20Safety.pdf

One note: when you see that “crimes against society” are down 37%, know that is because police are now discouraged from stopping people from using drugs or drinking in public, urinating / defecating, etc. It’s still happening, just isn’t reported.

Therefore, my opinions are grounded in fact. As for other facts I have posted, would you care to comment on the way SROs were removed without community comment? That’s another fact.

"SROs were removed without community comment" is the opposite of fact.

Sure, if you consider a panel of 3 students sufficient for a population of 160,000 students and no community-wide survey. Meanwhile, Prince George’s handled it this way:
https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/pgcps/Board.nsf/files/BXNW286FF2A9/$file/SRO%20Presentation%20v1%20PPT%20(1).pdf

There was plenty of community comment. It's just that most of the comments were from community members with opinions you disagree with.

Where were these advertised? Was everybody given ample opportunity to comment? If the council and exec wanted to do this properly, they would have had a community-wide survey. Does it shock you that PGCPS’s survey shows 80% support for SROs? Is it so unreasonable to assume that a similar survey conducted here would show the same? Until this is done for MCPS, no… this was NOT a well-handled, community-informed decision. (Does it matter that the principals unanimously wanted to keep them? No. They were ignored.)

Can you really support a 3-student panel? You’re okay with that?

You're complaining about process because you don't like the outcome.

NP
Do you honestly and truly think that was a fair process?

What was unfair about it?

The fact they ignored dissenting voices, which happened to be the very people with knowledge and expertise in this subject?

I’m in awe of the fact you’re comfortable with 3 voices representing 160,000, and that you think that was a fair process. Where were the surveys? The widely-advertised panel discussions? Wide-net calls for community input?

I expect more. Elected officials MUST rely on those who have subject expertise, which did not happen. You’re okay with that, perhaps because it doesn’t affect you. It does affect me and I find it disgusting.

They didn't ignore dissenting voices. The opinions of the principals were no secret. What they did was make a decision that was different from what the principals wanted. That's what we elect them to do. And it happens all the time, generally, in government. And it SHOULD happen all the time. Otherwise we'd have the "unelected bureaucrats" making the decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:PG is tough on crime, unlike MoCo. We don't have woke officials on our County Board.

https://wtop.com/prince-georges-county/2022/09/prince-georges-co-to-enforce-teen-curfew-to-combat-crime-these-kids-dont-just-need-a-hug/

Prince George’s County Executive Angela Alsobrooks says police in the Maryland county will begin stepping up enforcement of an already on-the-books curfew to keep teens off the streets at night, amid a rise in carjackings and other violent crime.

Wow, this might be the first time ever, in way too many years on DCUM, that somebody used Prince George's County as a positive example (as opposed to an example of their own racism). I'm going to check out the window for pigs flying.

Yup. I do think Black politicians - who understand the very real effects of crime in PG - know they need to get tough, while ensuring their police aren't doing it in a racially biased way.

This is exactly right. And what's wrecking Montgomery County, at least, is a bunch of white progressives who think they are being allies, but who are in fact bringing more pain to marginalized communities in the form of increased crime. I invite Elrich, the entire Council, and all their little activist buddies to spend a week living in the Enclave. And see how they like it.

So let's see. The Enclave is in state district 20 and county council district 5. And whom did the voters who actually live in state district 20 and county council district 5 (which you probably don't) elect as their representatives, just last month? 4 non-white progressives and 1 white progressive. How about that.

DP. And do any of these politicians live in the Enclave? Have they even visited?

I grimace when I think of this council addressing crime. I don’t see how they are remotely qualified to do so. Have they attended the MCPD Citizen’s Academy? Have they even done a ride-along?

It’s pretty easy to address crime from afar, when it doesn’t touch the street you live on. I’ve been the victim of a crime in Montgomery County. I want a present and supported police force, and I worry that’s not what we’ll get with this council. The current plan is to reduce police presence to reduce crime. How does that even remotely make sense?

I'm guessing the voters who live in the Enclave have a better understanding of living in the Enclave, and of their own interests and priorities, than you do.

Perhaps, but I am pretty confident saying I know more about our police department than they do. At least I’ve done several ride-alongs. Let’s not pretend for a second that the previous council improved safety in Montgomery County. You don’t have to look any further than the crime reports to see that. They also decimated MCPD, which used to be the most sought-out department by recruits. Now they can’t even fill a class because recruits can go to neighboring counties for better pay and more support.

And listening to constituents? No, they didn’t do that, either. The council and exec listened to a task force of 3 students before removing SROs. 3, out of 160,000. Meanwhile, PGCPS actually sent out a community-wide survey. 80% of respondents said to keep them. I doubt there will be a ton of listening going on by the current council, but I would love to see them prove me wrong.

So, are they prepared to handle crime? Not remotely. I’ll change my mind when I see one of them learn a little bit about policing instead of issuing self-serving statements.

That's some chutzpah there. You've done several ride-alongs, so you know more about what's good for east county voters than the east county voters themselves and the people they just elected/re-elected. Wow.

Um… why did you assume I don’t live in east county?

I stand by my statements. I’ve watched the council for the past few years because I am very concerned about increasing crime. All I’ve seen are things that make me worry. The Reimagining Public Safety Task force? Recommendations to decrease police presence by 50% in Silver Spring and Wheaton? Stopping enforcement of quality of life crimes? A suggestion to remove guns from the officers? How does any of this come across as logical and reasoned?

Look at the incidents in MCPS. It was Elrich and the past council who removed SROs against the desire of the school system. How do they know what’s better for students and staff than the educators and administrators?

I live in reality. I want to feel safe in my community. So you call it “churzpah.” I call it holding these representatives accountable.

Ok, so you live in the east county. Well, the majority of your voting neighbors disagree with you. That's democracy.

You have yet to comment on crime itself: the increasing statistics, the task force recommendations, the lack of research before removing SROs, etc.

Is it just “my candidate won,” or is it “let’s get to work”? I’m not seeing that you’re actually concerned about crime. I guess it hasn’t affected you as it has me.

No. It's that east county voters JUST voted to elect progressives (of whom 4 of 5 are non-white, and 4 of 5 were actually RE-elected) to represent them in the Maryland General Assembly and the County Council, and your take on this is "a bunch of white progressives who think they are being allies, but who are in fact bringing more pain to marginalized communities in the form of increased crime". Terrible take.

I am not that poster. I have made no statement about “a bunch of white progressives.” I have ONLY provided true facts about crime and the previous council’s affect on the county.

Once again: will you only comment on the election, or do you have a comment about crime?

You haven't provided any "true facts" about crime. You have only provided your personal opinions.

Here you go! Read away:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/CrimeandSafety/2021%20MCPD%20Annual%20Report%20on%20Crime%20and%20Safety.pdf

One note: when you see that “crimes against society” are down 37%, know that is because police are now discouraged from stopping people from using drugs or drinking in public, urinating / defecating, etc. It’s still happening, just isn’t reported.

Therefore, my opinions are grounded in fact. As for other facts I have posted, would you care to comment on the way SROs were removed without community comment? That’s another fact.

"SROs were removed without community comment" is the opposite of fact.

Sure, if you consider a panel of 3 students sufficient for a population of 160,000 students and no community-wide survey. Meanwhile, Prince George’s handled it this way:
https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/pgcps/Board.nsf/files/BXNW286FF2A9/$file/SRO%20Presentation%20v1%20PPT%20(1).pdf

There was plenty of community comment. It's just that most of the comments were from community members with opinions you disagree with.

Where were these advertised? Was everybody given ample opportunity to comment? If the council and exec wanted to do this properly, they would have had a community-wide survey. Does it shock you that PGCPS’s survey shows 80% support for SROs? Is it so unreasonable to assume that a similar survey conducted here would show the same? Until this is done for MCPS, no… this was NOT a well-handled, community-informed decision. (Does it matter that the principals unanimously wanted to keep them? No. They were ignored.)

Can you really support a 3-student panel? You’re okay with that?

You're complaining about process because you don't like the outcome.

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Do you honestly and truly think that was a fair process?

What was unfair about it?

The fact they ignored dissenting voices, which happened to be the very people with knowledge and expertise in this subject?

I’m in awe of the fact you’re comfortable with 3 voices representing 160,000, and that you think that was a fair process. Where were the surveys? The widely-advertised panel discussions? Wide-net calls for community input?

I expect more. Elected officials MUST rely on those who have subject expertise, which did not happen. You’re okay with that, perhaps because it doesn’t affect you. It does affect me and I find it disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:PG is tough on crime, unlike MoCo. We don't have woke officials on our County Board.

https://wtop.com/prince-georges-county/2022/09/prince-georges-co-to-enforce-teen-curfew-to-combat-crime-these-kids-dont-just-need-a-hug/

Prince George’s County Executive Angela Alsobrooks says police in the Maryland county will begin stepping up enforcement of an already on-the-books curfew to keep teens off the streets at night, amid a rise in carjackings and other violent crime.

Wow, this might be the first time ever, in way too many years on DCUM, that somebody used Prince George's County as a positive example (as opposed to an example of their own racism). I'm going to check out the window for pigs flying.

Yup. I do think Black politicians - who understand the very real effects of crime in PG - know they need to get tough, while ensuring their police aren't doing it in a racially biased way.

This is exactly right. And what's wrecking Montgomery County, at least, is a bunch of white progressives who think they are being allies, but who are in fact bringing more pain to marginalized communities in the form of increased crime. I invite Elrich, the entire Council, and all their little activist buddies to spend a week living in the Enclave. And see how they like it.

So let's see. The Enclave is in state district 20 and county council district 5. And whom did the voters who actually live in state district 20 and county council district 5 (which you probably don't) elect as their representatives, just last month? 4 non-white progressives and 1 white progressive. How about that.

DP. And do any of these politicians live in the Enclave? Have they even visited?

I grimace when I think of this council addressing crime. I don’t see how they are remotely qualified to do so. Have they attended the MCPD Citizen’s Academy? Have they even done a ride-along?

It’s pretty easy to address crime from afar, when it doesn’t touch the street you live on. I’ve been the victim of a crime in Montgomery County. I want a present and supported police force, and I worry that’s not what we’ll get with this council. The current plan is to reduce police presence to reduce crime. How does that even remotely make sense?

I'm guessing the voters who live in the Enclave have a better understanding of living in the Enclave, and of their own interests and priorities, than you do.

Perhaps, but I am pretty confident saying I know more about our police department than they do. At least I’ve done several ride-alongs. Let’s not pretend for a second that the previous council improved safety in Montgomery County. You don’t have to look any further than the crime reports to see that. They also decimated MCPD, which used to be the most sought-out department by recruits. Now they can’t even fill a class because recruits can go to neighboring counties for better pay and more support.

And listening to constituents? No, they didn’t do that, either. The council and exec listened to a task force of 3 students before removing SROs. 3, out of 160,000. Meanwhile, PGCPS actually sent out a community-wide survey. 80% of respondents said to keep them. I doubt there will be a ton of listening going on by the current council, but I would love to see them prove me wrong.

So, are they prepared to handle crime? Not remotely. I’ll change my mind when I see one of them learn a little bit about policing instead of issuing self-serving statements.

That's some chutzpah there. You've done several ride-alongs, so you know more about what's good for east county voters than the east county voters themselves and the people they just elected/re-elected. Wow.

Um… why did you assume I don’t live in east county?

I stand by my statements. I’ve watched the council for the past few years because I am very concerned about increasing crime. All I’ve seen are things that make me worry. The Reimagining Public Safety Task force? Recommendations to decrease police presence by 50% in Silver Spring and Wheaton? Stopping enforcement of quality of life crimes? A suggestion to remove guns from the officers? How does any of this come across as logical and reasoned?

Look at the incidents in MCPS. It was Elrich and the past council who removed SROs against the desire of the school system. How do they know what’s better for students and staff than the educators and administrators?

I live in reality. I want to feel safe in my community. So you call it “churzpah.” I call it holding these representatives accountable.

Ok, so you live in the east county. Well, the majority of your voting neighbors disagree with you. That's democracy.

You have yet to comment on crime itself: the increasing statistics, the task force recommendations, the lack of research before removing SROs, etc.

Is it just “my candidate won,” or is it “let’s get to work”? I’m not seeing that you’re actually concerned about crime. I guess it hasn’t affected you as it has me.

No. It's that east county voters JUST voted to elect progressives (of whom 4 of 5 are non-white, and 4 of 5 were actually RE-elected) to represent them in the Maryland General Assembly and the County Council, and your take on this is "a bunch of white progressives who think they are being allies, but who are in fact bringing more pain to marginalized communities in the form of increased crime". Terrible take.

I am not that poster. I have made no statement about “a bunch of white progressives.” I have ONLY provided true facts about crime and the previous council’s affect on the county.

Once again: will you only comment on the election, or do you have a comment about crime?

You haven't provided any "true facts" about crime. You have only provided your personal opinions.

Here you go! Read away:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/CrimeandSafety/2021%20MCPD%20Annual%20Report%20on%20Crime%20and%20Safety.pdf

One note: when you see that “crimes against society” are down 37%, know that is because police are now discouraged from stopping people from using drugs or drinking in public, urinating / defecating, etc. It’s still happening, just isn’t reported.

Therefore, my opinions are grounded in fact. As for other facts I have posted, would you care to comment on the way SROs were removed without community comment? That’s another fact.

"SROs were removed without community comment" is the opposite of fact.

Sure, if you consider a panel of 3 students sufficient for a population of 160,000 students and no community-wide survey. Meanwhile, Prince George’s handled it this way:
https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/pgcps/Board.nsf/files/BXNW286FF2A9/$file/SRO%20Presentation%20v1%20PPT%20(1).pdf

There was plenty of community comment. It's just that most of the comments were from community members with opinions you disagree with.

Where were these advertised? Was everybody given ample opportunity to comment? If the council and exec wanted to do this properly, they would have had a community-wide survey. Does it shock you that PGCPS’s survey shows 80% support for SROs? Is it so unreasonable to assume that a similar survey conducted here would show the same? Until this is done for MCPS, no… this was NOT a well-handled, community-informed decision. (Does it matter that the principals unanimously wanted to keep them? No. They were ignored.)

Can you really support a 3-student panel? You’re okay with that?

You're complaining about process because you don't like the outcome.

NP
Do you honestly and truly think that was a fair process?

What was unfair about it?

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Anonymous wrote:PG is tough on crime, unlike MoCo. We don't have woke officials on our County Board.

https://wtop.com/prince-georges-county/2022/09/prince-georges-co-to-enforce-teen-curfew-to-combat-crime-these-kids-dont-just-need-a-hug/

Prince George’s County Executive Angela Alsobrooks says police in the Maryland county will begin stepping up enforcement of an already on-the-books curfew to keep teens off the streets at night, amid a rise in carjackings and other violent crime.

Wow, this might be the first time ever, in way too many years on DCUM, that somebody used Prince George's County as a positive example (as opposed to an example of their own racism). I'm going to check out the window for pigs flying.

Yup. I do think Black politicians - who understand the very real effects of crime in PG - know they need to get tough, while ensuring their police aren't doing it in a racially biased way.

This is exactly right. And what's wrecking Montgomery County, at least, is a bunch of white progressives who think they are being allies, but who are in fact bringing more pain to marginalized communities in the form of increased crime. I invite Elrich, the entire Council, and all their little activist buddies to spend a week living in the Enclave. And see how they like it.

So let's see. The Enclave is in state district 20 and county council district 5. And whom did the voters who actually live in state district 20 and county council district 5 (which you probably don't) elect as their representatives, just last month? 4 non-white progressives and 1 white progressive. How about that.

DP. And do any of these politicians live in the Enclave? Have they even visited?

I grimace when I think of this council addressing crime. I don’t see how they are remotely qualified to do so. Have they attended the MCPD Citizen’s Academy? Have they even done a ride-along?

It’s pretty easy to address crime from afar, when it doesn’t touch the street you live on. I’ve been the victim of a crime in Montgomery County. I want a present and supported police force, and I worry that’s not what we’ll get with this council. The current plan is to reduce police presence to reduce crime. How does that even remotely make sense?

I'm guessing the voters who live in the Enclave have a better understanding of living in the Enclave, and of their own interests and priorities, than you do.

Perhaps, but I am pretty confident saying I know more about our police department than they do. At least I’ve done several ride-alongs. Let’s not pretend for a second that the previous council improved safety in Montgomery County. You don’t have to look any further than the crime reports to see that. They also decimated MCPD, which used to be the most sought-out department by recruits. Now they can’t even fill a class because recruits can go to neighboring counties for better pay and more support.

And listening to constituents? No, they didn’t do that, either. The council and exec listened to a task force of 3 students before removing SROs. 3, out of 160,000. Meanwhile, PGCPS actually sent out a community-wide survey. 80% of respondents said to keep them. I doubt there will be a ton of listening going on by the current council, but I would love to see them prove me wrong.

So, are they prepared to handle crime? Not remotely. I’ll change my mind when I see one of them learn a little bit about policing instead of issuing self-serving statements.

That's some chutzpah there. You've done several ride-alongs, so you know more about what's good for east county voters than the east county voters themselves and the people they just elected/re-elected. Wow.

Um… why did you assume I don’t live in east county?

I stand by my statements. I’ve watched the council for the past few years because I am very concerned about increasing crime. All I’ve seen are things that make me worry. The Reimagining Public Safety Task force? Recommendations to decrease police presence by 50% in Silver Spring and Wheaton? Stopping enforcement of quality of life crimes? A suggestion to remove guns from the officers? How does any of this come across as logical and reasoned?

Look at the incidents in MCPS. It was Elrich and the past council who removed SROs against the desire of the school system. How do they know what’s better for students and staff than the educators and administrators?

I live in reality. I want to feel safe in my community. So you call it “churzpah.” I call it holding these representatives accountable.

Ok, so you live in the east county. Well, the majority of your voting neighbors disagree with you. That's democracy.

You have yet to comment on crime itself: the increasing statistics, the task force recommendations, the lack of research before removing SROs, etc.

Is it just “my candidate won,” or is it “let’s get to work”? I’m not seeing that you’re actually concerned about crime. I guess it hasn’t affected you as it has me.

No. It's that east county voters JUST voted to elect progressives (of whom 4 of 5 are non-white, and 4 of 5 were actually RE-elected) to represent them in the Maryland General Assembly and the County Council, and your take on this is "a bunch of white progressives who think they are being allies, but who are in fact bringing more pain to marginalized communities in the form of increased crime". Terrible take.

I am not that poster. I have made no statement about “a bunch of white progressives.” I have ONLY provided true facts about crime and the previous council’s affect on the county.

Once again: will you only comment on the election, or do you have a comment about crime?

You haven't provided any "true facts" about crime. You have only provided your personal opinions.

Here you go! Read away:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/CrimeandSafety/2021%20MCPD%20Annual%20Report%20on%20Crime%20and%20Safety.pdf

One note: when you see that “crimes against society” are down 37%, know that is because police are now discouraged from stopping people from using drugs or drinking in public, urinating / defecating, etc. It’s still happening, just isn’t reported.

Therefore, my opinions are grounded in fact. As for other facts I have posted, would you care to comment on the way SROs were removed without community comment? That’s another fact.

"SROs were removed without community comment" is the opposite of fact.

Sure, if you consider a panel of 3 students sufficient for a population of 160,000 students and no community-wide survey. Meanwhile, Prince George’s handled it this way:
https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/pgcps/Board.nsf/files/BXNW286FF2A9/$file/SRO%20Presentation%20v1%20PPT%20(1).pdf

There was plenty of community comment. It's just that most of the comments were from community members with opinions you disagree with.

Where were these advertised? Was everybody given ample opportunity to comment? If the council and exec wanted to do this properly, they would have had a community-wide survey. Does it shock you that PGCPS’s survey shows 80% support for SROs? Is it so unreasonable to assume that a similar survey conducted here would show the same? Until this is done for MCPS, no… this was NOT a well-handled, community-informed decision. (Does it matter that the principals unanimously wanted to keep them? No. They were ignored.)

Can you really support a 3-student panel? You’re okay with that?

You're complaining about process because you don't like the outcome.

NP
Do you honestly and truly think that was a fair process?

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Wow. So you support the fact a small handful of politicians ignored (yes, ignored) the opinions and experiences of people who actually work with SROs? You are heading into dangerous territory when you accept poor research and governing from your elected leaders.

I demand they do their jobs. If the outcome isn’t what I desire after they actively do their jobs, at least I can rest assured the needs of the community were considered. That wasn’t the case with the SRO debacle. Seeing that MCPS and Elrich are currently being sued for removing SROs after the Macgruder shooting, I sure do hope they feel content in their process. I’m sure it will come to light through that lawsuit.

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Anonymous wrote:PG is tough on crime, unlike MoCo. We don't have woke officials on our County Board.

https://wtop.com/prince-georges-county/2022/09/prince-georges-co-to-enforce-teen-curfew-to-combat-crime-these-kids-dont-just-need-a-hug/

Prince George’s County Executive Angela Alsobrooks says police in the Maryland county will begin stepping up enforcement of an already on-the-books curfew to keep teens off the streets at night, amid a rise in carjackings and other violent crime.

Wow, this might be the first time ever, in way too many years on DCUM, that somebody used Prince George's County as a positive example (as opposed to an example of their own racism). I'm going to check out the window for pigs flying.

Yup. I do think Black politicians - who understand the very real effects of crime in PG - know they need to get tough, while ensuring their police aren't doing it in a racially biased way.

This is exactly right. And what's wrecking Montgomery County, at least, is a bunch of white progressives who think they are being allies, but who are in fact bringing more pain to marginalized communities in the form of increased crime. I invite Elrich, the entire Council, and all their little activist buddies to spend a week living in the Enclave. And see how they like it.

So let's see. The Enclave is in state district 20 and county council district 5. And whom did the voters who actually live in state district 20 and county council district 5 (which you probably don't) elect as their representatives, just last month? 4 non-white progressives and 1 white progressive. How about that.

DP. And do any of these politicians live in the Enclave? Have they even visited?

I grimace when I think of this council addressing crime. I don’t see how they are remotely qualified to do so. Have they attended the MCPD Citizen’s Academy? Have they even done a ride-along?

It’s pretty easy to address crime from afar, when it doesn’t touch the street you live on. I’ve been the victim of a crime in Montgomery County. I want a present and supported police force, and I worry that’s not what we’ll get with this council. The current plan is to reduce police presence to reduce crime. How does that even remotely make sense?

I'm guessing the voters who live in the Enclave have a better understanding of living in the Enclave, and of their own interests and priorities, than you do.

Perhaps, but I am pretty confident saying I know more about our police department than they do. At least I’ve done several ride-alongs. Let’s not pretend for a second that the previous council improved safety in Montgomery County. You don’t have to look any further than the crime reports to see that. They also decimated MCPD, which used to be the most sought-out department by recruits. Now they can’t even fill a class because recruits can go to neighboring counties for better pay and more support.

And listening to constituents? No, they didn’t do that, either. The council and exec listened to a task force of 3 students before removing SROs. 3, out of 160,000. Meanwhile, PGCPS actually sent out a community-wide survey. 80% of respondents said to keep them. I doubt there will be a ton of listening going on by the current council, but I would love to see them prove me wrong.

So, are they prepared to handle crime? Not remotely. I’ll change my mind when I see one of them learn a little bit about policing instead of issuing self-serving statements.

That's some chutzpah there. You've done several ride-alongs, so you know more about what's good for east county voters than the east county voters themselves and the people they just elected/re-elected. Wow.

Um… why did you assume I don’t live in east county?

I stand by my statements. I’ve watched the council for the past few years because I am very concerned about increasing crime. All I’ve seen are things that make me worry. The Reimagining Public Safety Task force? Recommendations to decrease police presence by 50% in Silver Spring and Wheaton? Stopping enforcement of quality of life crimes? A suggestion to remove guns from the officers? How does any of this come across as logical and reasoned?

Look at the incidents in MCPS. It was Elrich and the past council who removed SROs against the desire of the school system. How do they know what’s better for students and staff than the educators and administrators?

I live in reality. I want to feel safe in my community. So you call it “churzpah.” I call it holding these representatives accountable.

Ok, so you live in the east county. Well, the majority of your voting neighbors disagree with you. That's democracy.

You have yet to comment on crime itself: the increasing statistics, the task force recommendations, the lack of research before removing SROs, etc.

Is it just “my candidate won,” or is it “let’s get to work”? I’m not seeing that you’re actually concerned about crime. I guess it hasn’t affected you as it has me.

No. It's that east county voters JUST voted to elect progressives (of whom 4 of 5 are non-white, and 4 of 5 were actually RE-elected) to represent them in the Maryland General Assembly and the County Council, and your take on this is "a bunch of white progressives who think they are being allies, but who are in fact bringing more pain to marginalized communities in the form of increased crime". Terrible take.

I am not that poster. I have made no statement about “a bunch of white progressives.” I have ONLY provided true facts about crime and the previous council’s affect on the county.

Once again: will you only comment on the election, or do you have a comment about crime?

You haven't provided any "true facts" about crime. You have only provided your personal opinions.

Here you go! Read away:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/CrimeandSafety/2021%20MCPD%20Annual%20Report%20on%20Crime%20and%20Safety.pdf

One note: when you see that “crimes against society” are down 37%, know that is because police are now discouraged from stopping people from using drugs or drinking in public, urinating / defecating, etc. It’s still happening, just isn’t reported.

Therefore, my opinions are grounded in fact. As for other facts I have posted, would you care to comment on the way SROs were removed without community comment? That’s another fact.

"SROs were removed without community comment" is the opposite of fact.

Sure, if you consider a panel of 3 students sufficient for a population of 160,000 students and no community-wide survey. Meanwhile, Prince George’s handled it this way:
https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/pgcps/Board.nsf/files/BXNW286FF2A9/$file/SRO%20Presentation%20v1%20PPT%20(1).pdf

There was plenty of community comment. It's just that most of the comments were from community members with opinions you disagree with.

Where were these advertised? Was everybody given ample opportunity to comment? If the council and exec wanted to do this properly, they would have had a community-wide survey. Does it shock you that PGCPS’s survey shows 80% support for SROs? Is it so unreasonable to assume that a similar survey conducted here would show the same? Until this is done for MCPS, no… this was NOT a well-handled, community-informed decision. (Does it matter that the principals unanimously wanted to keep them? No. They were ignored.)

Can you really support a 3-student panel? You’re okay with that?

You're complaining about process because you don't like the outcome.

Wow. No. I’m a teacher. I don’t like that my voice (and many others) was ignored. I don’t like that the principals were ignored.

It isn’t about whether I like the outcome. I like fair, balanced, and logical decision making. I like transparency. This decision had none of that and stands as a great illustration of how the previous council conducted itself.

NP. It's obvious that you'd be here complaining no matter what, because they made a decision you disagree with. You can see this in the fact that you say the principals were "ignored," when we all have their opinions. It was widely reported; we know they supported SROs. They weren't "ignored," a decision was made to go the other way.

You're arguing about the process, but surveys aren't how we make decisions in America. We elect people who make decisions and then we have the right to vote in new people if we disagree with the decisions they make. The person most responsible for removing the SROs was Elrich and he was reelected. I didn't vote for him, but I respect that my opinion wasn't what the people who matter, the voters, wanted.

Wow. So you support the fact a small handful of politicians ignored (yes, ignored) the opinions and experiences of people who actually work with SROs? You are heading into dangerous territory when you accept poor research and governing from your elected leaders.

I demand they do their jobs. If the outcome isn’t what I desire after they actively do their jobs, at least I can rest assured the needs of the community were considered. That wasn’t the case with the SRO debacle. Seeing that MCPS and Elrich are currently being sued for removing SROs after the Macgruder shooting, I sure do hope they feel content in their process. I’m sure it will come to light through that lawsuit.

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Anonymous wrote:PG is tough on crime, unlike MoCo. We don't have woke officials on our County Board.

https://wtop.com/prince-georges-county/2022/09/prince-georges-co-to-enforce-teen-curfew-to-combat-crime-these-kids-dont-just-need-a-hug/

Prince George’s County Executive Angela Alsobrooks says police in the Maryland county will begin stepping up enforcement of an already on-the-books curfew to keep teens off the streets at night, amid a rise in carjackings and other violent crime.

Wow, this might be the first time ever, in way too many years on DCUM, that somebody used Prince George's County as a positive example (as opposed to an example of their own racism). I'm going to check out the window for pigs flying.

Yup. I do think Black politicians - who understand the very real effects of crime in PG - know they need to get tough, while ensuring their police aren't doing it in a racially biased way.

This is exactly right. And what's wrecking Montgomery County, at least, is a bunch of white progressives who think they are being allies, but who are in fact bringing more pain to marginalized communities in the form of increased crime. I invite Elrich, the entire Council, and all their little activist buddies to spend a week living in the Enclave. And see how they like it.

So let's see. The Enclave is in state district 20 and county council district 5. And whom did the voters who actually live in state district 20 and county council district 5 (which you probably don't) elect as their representatives, just last month? 4 non-white progressives and 1 white progressive. How about that.

DP. And do any of these politicians live in the Enclave? Have they even visited?

I grimace when I think of this council addressing crime. I don’t see how they are remotely qualified to do so. Have they attended the MCPD Citizen’s Academy? Have they even done a ride-along?

It’s pretty easy to address crime from afar, when it doesn’t touch the street you live on. I’ve been the victim of a crime in Montgomery County. I want a present and supported police force, and I worry that’s not what we’ll get with this council. The current plan is to reduce police presence to reduce crime. How does that even remotely make sense?

I'm guessing the voters who live in the Enclave have a better understanding of living in the Enclave, and of their own interests and priorities, than you do.

Perhaps, but I am pretty confident saying I know more about our police department than they do. At least I’ve done several ride-alongs. Let’s not pretend for a second that the previous council improved safety in Montgomery County. You don’t have to look any further than the crime reports to see that. They also decimated MCPD, which used to be the most sought-out department by recruits. Now they can’t even fill a class because recruits can go to neighboring counties for better pay and more support.

And listening to constituents? No, they didn’t do that, either. The council and exec listened to a task force of 3 students before removing SROs. 3, out of 160,000. Meanwhile, PGCPS actually sent out a community-wide survey. 80% of respondents said to keep them. I doubt there will be a ton of listening going on by the current council, but I would love to see them prove me wrong.

So, are they prepared to handle crime? Not remotely. I’ll change my mind when I see one of them learn a little bit about policing instead of issuing self-serving statements.

That's some chutzpah there. You've done several ride-alongs, so you know more about what's good for east county voters than the east county voters themselves and the people they just elected/re-elected. Wow.

Um… why did you assume I don’t live in east county?

I stand by my statements. I’ve watched the council for the past few years because I am very concerned about increasing crime. All I’ve seen are things that make me worry. The Reimagining Public Safety Task force? Recommendations to decrease police presence by 50% in Silver Spring and Wheaton? Stopping enforcement of quality of life crimes? A suggestion to remove guns from the officers? How does any of this come across as logical and reasoned?

Look at the incidents in MCPS. It was Elrich and the past council who removed SROs against the desire of the school system. How do they know what’s better for students and staff than the educators and administrators?

I live in reality. I want to feel safe in my community. So you call it “churzpah.” I call it holding these representatives accountable.

Ok, so you live in the east county. Well, the majority of your voting neighbors disagree with you. That's democracy.

You have yet to comment on crime itself: the increasing statistics, the task force recommendations, the lack of research before removing SROs, etc.

Is it just “my candidate won,” or is it “let’s get to work”? I’m not seeing that you’re actually concerned about crime. I guess it hasn’t affected you as it has me.

No. It's that east county voters JUST voted to elect progressives (of whom 4 of 5 are non-white, and 4 of 5 were actually RE-elected) to represent them in the Maryland General Assembly and the County Council, and your take on this is "a bunch of white progressives who think they are being allies, but who are in fact bringing more pain to marginalized communities in the form of increased crime". Terrible take.

I am not that poster. I have made no statement about “a bunch of white progressives.” I have ONLY provided true facts about crime and the previous council’s affect on the county.

Once again: will you only comment on the election, or do you have a comment about crime?

You haven't provided any "true facts" about crime. You have only provided your personal opinions.

Here you go! Read away:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/CrimeandSafety/2021%20MCPD%20Annual%20Report%20on%20Crime%20and%20Safety.pdf

One note: when you see that “crimes against society” are down 37%, know that is because police are now discouraged from stopping people from using drugs or drinking in public, urinating / defecating, etc. It’s still happening, just isn’t reported.

Therefore, my opinions are grounded in fact. As for other facts I have posted, would you care to comment on the way SROs were removed without community comment? That’s another fact.

"SROs were removed without community comment" is the opposite of fact.

Sure, if you consider a panel of 3 students sufficient for a population of 160,000 students and no community-wide survey. Meanwhile, Prince George’s handled it this way:
https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/pgcps/Board.nsf/files/BXNW286FF2A9/$file/SRO%20Presentation%20v1%20PPT%20(1).pdf

There was plenty of community comment. It's just that most of the comments were from community members with opinions you disagree with.

Where were these advertised? Was everybody given ample opportunity to comment? If the council and exec wanted to do this properly, they would have had a community-wide survey. Does it shock you that PGCPS’s survey shows 80% support for SROs? Is it so unreasonable to assume that a similar survey conducted here would show the same? Until this is done for MCPS, no… this was NOT a well-handled, community-informed decision. (Does it matter that the principals unanimously wanted to keep them? No. They were ignored.)

Can you really support a 3-student panel? You’re okay with that?

You're complaining about process because you don't like the outcome.

Wow. No. I’m a teacher. I don’t like that my voice (and many others) was ignored. I don’t like that the principals were ignored.

It isn’t about whether I like the outcome. I like fair, balanced, and logical decision making. I like transparency. This decision had none of that and stands as a great illustration of how the previous council conducted itself.

NP. It's obvious that you'd be here complaining no matter what, because they made a decision you disagree with. You can see this in the fact that you say the principals were "ignored," when we all have their opinions. It was widely reported; we know they supported SROs. They weren't "ignored," a decision was made to go the other way.

You're arguing about the process, but surveys aren't how we make decisions in America. We elect people who make decisions and then we have the right to vote in new people if we disagree with the decisions they make. The person most responsible for removing the SROs was Elrich and he was reelected. I didn't vote for him, but I respect that my opinion wasn't what the people who matter, the voters, wanted.

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Anonymous wrote:PG is tough on crime, unlike MoCo. We don't have woke officials on our County Board.

https://wtop.com/prince-georges-county/2022/09/prince-georges-co-to-enforce-teen-curfew-to-combat-crime-these-kids-dont-just-need-a-hug/

Prince George’s County Executive Angela Alsobrooks says police in the Maryland county will begin stepping up enforcement of an already on-the-books curfew to keep teens off the streets at night, amid a rise in carjackings and other violent crime.

Wow, this might be the first time ever, in way too many years on DCUM, that somebody used Prince George's County as a positive example (as opposed to an example of their own racism). I'm going to check out the window for pigs flying.

Yup. I do think Black politicians - who understand the very real effects of crime in PG - know they need to get tough, while ensuring their police aren't doing it in a racially biased way.

This is exactly right. And what's wrecking Montgomery County, at least, is a bunch of white progressives who think they are being allies, but who are in fact bringing more pain to marginalized communities in the form of increased crime. I invite Elrich, the entire Council, and all their little activist buddies to spend a week living in the Enclave. And see how they like it.

So let's see. The Enclave is in state district 20 and county council district 5. And whom did the voters who actually live in state district 20 and county council district 5 (which you probably don't) elect as their representatives, just last month? 4 non-white progressives and 1 white progressive. How about that.

DP. And do any of these politicians live in the Enclave? Have they even visited?

I grimace when I think of this council addressing crime. I don’t see how they are remotely qualified to do so. Have they attended the MCPD Citizen’s Academy? Have they even done a ride-along?

It’s pretty easy to address crime from afar, when it doesn’t touch the street you live on. I’ve been the victim of a crime in Montgomery County. I want a present and supported police force, and I worry that’s not what we’ll get with this council. The current plan is to reduce police presence to reduce crime. How does that even remotely make sense?

I'm guessing the voters who live in the Enclave have a better understanding of living in the Enclave, and of their own interests and priorities, than you do.

Perhaps, but I am pretty confident saying I know more about our police department than they do. At least I’ve done several ride-alongs. Let’s not pretend for a second that the previous council improved safety in Montgomery County. You don’t have to look any further than the crime reports to see that. They also decimated MCPD, which used to be the most sought-out department by recruits. Now they can’t even fill a class because recruits can go to neighboring counties for better pay and more support.

And listening to constituents? No, they didn’t do that, either. The council and exec listened to a task force of 3 students before removing SROs. 3, out of 160,000. Meanwhile, PGCPS actually sent out a community-wide survey. 80% of respondents said to keep them. I doubt there will be a ton of listening going on by the current council, but I would love to see them prove me wrong.

So, are they prepared to handle crime? Not remotely. I’ll change my mind when I see one of them learn a little bit about policing instead of issuing self-serving statements.

That's some chutzpah there. You've done several ride-alongs, so you know more about what's good for east county voters than the east county voters themselves and the people they just elected/re-elected. Wow.

Um… why did you assume I don’t live in east county?

I stand by my statements. I’ve watched the council for the past few years because I am very concerned about increasing crime. All I’ve seen are things that make me worry. The Reimagining Public Safety Task force? Recommendations to decrease police presence by 50% in Silver Spring and Wheaton? Stopping enforcement of quality of life crimes? A suggestion to remove guns from the officers? How does any of this come across as logical and reasoned?

Look at the incidents in MCPS. It was Elrich and the past council who removed SROs against the desire of the school system. How do they know what’s better for students and staff than the educators and administrators?

I live in reality. I want to feel safe in my community. So you call it “churzpah.” I call it holding these representatives accountable.

Ok, so you live in the east county. Well, the majority of your voting neighbors disagree with you. That's democracy.

You have yet to comment on crime itself: the increasing statistics, the task force recommendations, the lack of research before removing SROs, etc.

Is it just “my candidate won,” or is it “let’s get to work”? I’m not seeing that you’re actually concerned about crime. I guess it hasn’t affected you as it has me.

No. It's that east county voters JUST voted to elect progressives (of whom 4 of 5 are non-white, and 4 of 5 were actually RE-elected) to represent them in the Maryland General Assembly and the County Council, and your take on this is "a bunch of white progressives who think they are being allies, but who are in fact bringing more pain to marginalized communities in the form of increased crime". Terrible take.

I am not that poster. I have made no statement about “a bunch of white progressives.” I have ONLY provided true facts about crime and the previous council’s affect on the county.

Once again: will you only comment on the election, or do you have a comment about crime?

You haven't provided any "true facts" about crime. You have only provided your personal opinions.

Here you go! Read away:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/CrimeandSafety/2021%20MCPD%20Annual%20Report%20on%20Crime%20and%20Safety.pdf

One note: when you see that “crimes against society” are down 37%, know that is because police are now discouraged from stopping people from using drugs or drinking in public, urinating / defecating, etc. It’s still happening, just isn’t reported.

Therefore, my opinions are grounded in fact. As for other facts I have posted, would you care to comment on the way SROs were removed without community comment? That’s another fact.

"SROs were removed without community comment" is the opposite of fact.

Sure, if you consider a panel of 3 students sufficient for a population of 160,000 students and no community-wide survey. Meanwhile, Prince George’s handled it this way:
https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/pgcps/Board.nsf/files/BXNW286FF2A9/$file/SRO%20Presentation%20v1%20PPT%20(1).pdf

There was plenty of community comment. It's just that most of the comments were from community members with opinions you disagree with.

Where were these advertised? Was everybody given ample opportunity to comment? If the council and exec wanted to do this properly, they would have had a community-wide survey. Does it shock you that PGCPS’s survey shows 80% support for SROs? Is it so unreasonable to assume that a similar survey conducted here would show the same? Until this is done for MCPS, no… this was NOT a well-handled, community-informed decision. (Does it matter that the principals unanimously wanted to keep them? No. They were ignored.)

Can you really support a 3-student panel? You’re okay with that?

You're complaining about process because you don't like the outcome.

Wow. No. I’m a teacher. I don’t like that my voice (and many others) was ignored. I don’t like that the principals were ignored.

It isn’t about whether I like the outcome. I like fair, balanced, and logical decision making. I like transparency. This decision had none of that and stands as a great illustration of how the previous council conducted itself.

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Anonymous wrote:PG is tough on crime, unlike MoCo. We don't have woke officials on our County Board.

https://wtop.com/prince-georges-county/2022/09/prince-georges-co-to-enforce-teen-curfew-to-combat-crime-these-kids-dont-just-need-a-hug/

Prince George’s County Executive Angela Alsobrooks says police in the Maryland county will begin stepping up enforcement of an already on-the-books curfew to keep teens off the streets at night, amid a rise in carjackings and other violent crime.

Wow, this might be the first time ever, in way too many years on DCUM, that somebody used Prince George's County as a positive example (as opposed to an example of their own racism). I'm going to check out the window for pigs flying.

Yup. I do think Black politicians - who understand the very real effects of crime in PG - know they need to get tough, while ensuring their police aren't doing it in a racially biased way.

This is exactly right. And what's wrecking Montgomery County, at least, is a bunch of white progressives who think they are being allies, but who are in fact bringing more pain to marginalized communities in the form of increased crime. I invite Elrich, the entire Council, and all their little activist buddies to spend a week living in the Enclave. And see how they like it.

So let's see. The Enclave is in state district 20 and county council district 5. And whom did the voters who actually live in state district 20 and county council district 5 (which you probably don't) elect as their representatives, just last month? 4 non-white progressives and 1 white progressive. How about that.

DP. And do any of these politicians live in the Enclave? Have they even visited?

I grimace when I think of this council addressing crime. I don’t see how they are remotely qualified to do so. Have they attended the MCPD Citizen’s Academy? Have they even done a ride-along?

It’s pretty easy to address crime from afar, when it doesn’t touch the street you live on. I’ve been the victim of a crime in Montgomery County. I want a present and supported police force, and I worry that’s not what we’ll get with this council. The current plan is to reduce police presence to reduce crime. How does that even remotely make sense?

I'm guessing the voters who live in the Enclave have a better understanding of living in the Enclave, and of their own interests and priorities, than you do.

Perhaps, but I am pretty confident saying I know more about our police department than they do. At least I’ve done several ride-alongs. Let’s not pretend for a second that the previous council improved safety in Montgomery County. You don’t have to look any further than the crime reports to see that. They also decimated MCPD, which used to be the most sought-out department by recruits. Now they can’t even fill a class because recruits can go to neighboring counties for better pay and more support.

And listening to constituents? No, they didn’t do that, either. The council and exec listened to a task force of 3 students before removing SROs. 3, out of 160,000. Meanwhile, PGCPS actually sent out a community-wide survey. 80% of respondents said to keep them. I doubt there will be a ton of listening going on by the current council, but I would love to see them prove me wrong.

So, are they prepared to handle crime? Not remotely. I’ll change my mind when I see one of them learn a little bit about policing instead of issuing self-serving statements.

That's some chutzpah there. You've done several ride-alongs, so you know more about what's good for east county voters than the east county voters themselves and the people they just elected/re-elected. Wow.

Um… why did you assume I don’t live in east county?

I stand by my statements. I’ve watched the council for the past few years because I am very concerned about increasing crime. All I’ve seen are things that make me worry. The Reimagining Public Safety Task force? Recommendations to decrease police presence by 50% in Silver Spring and Wheaton? Stopping enforcement of quality of life crimes? A suggestion to remove guns from the officers? How does any of this come across as logical and reasoned?

Look at the incidents in MCPS. It was Elrich and the past council who removed SROs against the desire of the school system. How do they know what’s better for students and staff than the educators and administrators?

I live in reality. I want to feel safe in my community. So you call it “churzpah.” I call it holding these representatives accountable.

Ok, so you live in the east county. Well, the majority of your voting neighbors disagree with you. That's democracy.

You have yet to comment on crime itself: the increasing statistics, the task force recommendations, the lack of research before removing SROs, etc.

Is it just “my candidate won,” or is it “let’s get to work”? I’m not seeing that you’re actually concerned about crime. I guess it hasn’t affected you as it has me.

No. It's that east county voters JUST voted to elect progressives (of whom 4 of 5 are non-white, and 4 of 5 were actually RE-elected) to represent them in the Maryland General Assembly and the County Council, and your take on this is "a bunch of white progressives who think they are being allies, but who are in fact bringing more pain to marginalized communities in the form of increased crime". Terrible take.

I am not that poster. I have made no statement about “a bunch of white progressives.” I have ONLY provided true facts about crime and the previous council’s affect on the county.

Once again: will you only comment on the election, or do you have a comment about crime?

You haven't provided any "true facts" about crime. You have only provided your personal opinions.

Here you go! Read away:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/CrimeandSafety/2021%20MCPD%20Annual%20Report%20on%20Crime%20and%20Safety.pdf

One note: when you see that “crimes against society” are down 37%, know that is because police are now discouraged from stopping people from using drugs or drinking in public, urinating / defecating, etc. It’s still happening, just isn’t reported.

Therefore, my opinions are grounded in fact. As for other facts I have posted, would you care to comment on the way SROs were removed without community comment? That’s another fact.

"SROs were removed without community comment" is the opposite of fact.

Sure, if you consider a panel of 3 students sufficient for a population of 160,000 students and no community-wide survey. Meanwhile, Prince George’s handled it this way:
https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/pgcps/Board.nsf/files/BXNW286FF2A9/$file/SRO%20Presentation%20v1%20PPT%20(1).pdf

There was plenty of community comment. It's just that most of the comments were from community members with opinions you disagree with.

Where were these advertised? Was everybody given ample opportunity to comment? If the council and exec wanted to do this properly, they would have had a community-wide survey. Does it shock you that PGCPS’s survey shows 80% support for SROs? Is it so unreasonable to assume that a similar survey conducted here would show the same? Until this is done for MCPS, no… this was NOT a well-handled, community-informed decision. (Does it matter that the principals unanimously wanted to keep them? No. They were ignored.)

Can you really support a 3-student panel? You’re okay with that?

You're complaining about process because you don't like the outcome.

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Anonymous wrote:PG is tough on crime, unlike MoCo. We don't have woke officials on our County Board.

https://wtop.com/prince-georges-county/2022/09/prince-georges-co-to-enforce-teen-curfew-to-combat-crime-these-kids-dont-just-need-a-hug/

Prince George’s County Executive Angela Alsobrooks says police in the Maryland county will begin stepping up enforcement of an already on-the-books curfew to keep teens off the streets at night, amid a rise in carjackings and other violent crime.

Wow, this might be the first time ever, in way too many years on DCUM, that somebody used Prince George's County as a positive example (as opposed to an example of their own racism). I'm going to check out the window for pigs flying.

Yup. I do think Black politicians - who understand the very real effects of crime in PG - know they need to get tough, while ensuring their police aren't doing it in a racially biased way.

This is exactly right. And what's wrecking Montgomery County, at least, is a bunch of white progressives who think they are being allies, but who are in fact bringing more pain to marginalized communities in the form of increased crime. I invite Elrich, the entire Council, and all their little activist buddies to spend a week living in the Enclave. And see how they like it.

So let's see. The Enclave is in state district 20 and county council district 5. And whom did the voters who actually live in state district 20 and county council district 5 (which you probably don't) elect as their representatives, just last month? 4 non-white progressives and 1 white progressive. How about that.

DP. And do any of these politicians live in the Enclave? Have they even visited?

I grimace when I think of this council addressing crime. I don’t see how they are remotely qualified to do so. Have they attended the MCPD Citizen’s Academy? Have they even done a ride-along?

It’s pretty easy to address crime from afar, when it doesn’t touch the street you live on. I’ve been the victim of a crime in Montgomery County. I want a present and supported police force, and I worry that’s not what we’ll get with this council. The current plan is to reduce police presence to reduce crime. How does that even remotely make sense?

I'm guessing the voters who live in the Enclave have a better understanding of living in the Enclave, and of their own interests and priorities, than you do.

Perhaps, but I am pretty confident saying I know more about our police department than they do. At least I’ve done several ride-alongs. Let’s not pretend for a second that the previous council improved safety in Montgomery County. You don’t have to look any further than the crime reports to see that. They also decimated MCPD, which used to be the most sought-out department by recruits. Now they can’t even fill a class because recruits can go to neighboring counties for better pay and more support.

And listening to constituents? No, they didn’t do that, either. The council and exec listened to a task force of 3 students before removing SROs. 3, out of 160,000. Meanwhile, PGCPS actually sent out a community-wide survey. 80% of respondents said to keep them. I doubt there will be a ton of listening going on by the current council, but I would love to see them prove me wrong.

So, are they prepared to handle crime? Not remotely. I’ll change my mind when I see one of them learn a little bit about policing instead of issuing self-serving statements.

That's some chutzpah there. You've done several ride-alongs, so you know more about what's good for east county voters than the east county voters themselves and the people they just elected/re-elected. Wow.

Um… why did you assume I don’t live in east county?

I stand by my statements. I’ve watched the council for the past few years because I am very concerned about increasing crime. All I’ve seen are things that make me worry. The Reimagining Public Safety Task force? Recommendations to decrease police presence by 50% in Silver Spring and Wheaton? Stopping enforcement of quality of life crimes? A suggestion to remove guns from the officers? How does any of this come across as logical and reasoned?

Look at the incidents in MCPS. It was Elrich and the past council who removed SROs against the desire of the school system. How do they know what’s better for students and staff than the educators and administrators?

I live in reality. I want to feel safe in my community. So you call it “churzpah.” I call it holding these representatives accountable.

Ok, so you live in the east county. Well, the majority of your voting neighbors disagree with you. That's democracy.

You have yet to comment on crime itself: the increasing statistics, the task force recommendations, the lack of research before removing SROs, etc.

Is it just “my candidate won,” or is it “let’s get to work”? I’m not seeing that you’re actually concerned about crime. I guess it hasn’t affected you as it has me.

No. It's that east county voters JUST voted to elect progressives (of whom 4 of 5 are non-white, and 4 of 5 were actually RE-elected) to represent them in the Maryland General Assembly and the County Council, and your take on this is "a bunch of white progressives who think they are being allies, but who are in fact bringing more pain to marginalized communities in the form of increased crime". Terrible take.

I am not that poster. I have made no statement about “a bunch of white progressives.” I have ONLY provided true facts about crime and the previous council’s affect on the county.

Once again: will you only comment on the election, or do you have a comment about crime?

You haven't provided any "true facts" about crime. You have only provided your personal opinions.

Here you go! Read away:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/CrimeandSafety/2021%20MCPD%20Annual%20Report%20on%20Crime%20and%20Safety.pdf

One note: when you see that “crimes against society” are down 37%, know that is because police are now discouraged from stopping people from using drugs or drinking in public, urinating / defecating, etc. It’s still happening, just isn’t reported.

Therefore, my opinions are grounded in fact. As for other facts I have posted, would you care to comment on the way SROs were removed without community comment? That’s another fact.

"SROs were removed without community comment" is the opposite of fact.

Sure, if you consider a panel of 3 students sufficient for a population of 160,000 students and no community-wide survey. Meanwhile, Prince George’s handled it this way:
https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/pgcps/Board.nsf/files/BXNW286FF2A9/$file/SRO%20Presentation%20v1%20PPT%20(1).pdf

There was plenty of community comment. It's just that most of the comments were from community members with opinions you disagree with.

Where were these advertised? Was everybody given ample opportunity to comment? If the council and exec wanted to do this properly, they would have had a community-wide survey. Does it shock you that PGCPS’s survey shows 80% support for SROs? Is it so unreasonable to assume that a similar survey conducted here would show the same? Until this is done for MCPS, no… this was NOT a well-handled, community-informed decision. (Does it matter that the principals unanimously wanted to keep them? No. They were ignored.)

Can you really support a 3-student panel? You’re okay with that?

You're complaining about process because you don't like the outcome.

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Anonymous wrote:It’ll be (not) awesome when the purple line brings all of this crime right to downtown Bethesda.

Love how you take the mythical racist story of the Georgetown metro and update it for today.

The idea that Bethesda will suddenly become more accessible to crime because of an electric trolley makes me smile.

It's not racist to call out criminal behavior for what it is.

Apparently all of this crime just comes from nowhere and it is all just random coincidences.

Much of it is related to drugs.

And almost all of it is happening in three places: Silver Spring, Montgomery Village and Germantown.

But we all know in actuality much of it happens in Bethesda and Potomac but it gets swept under the rug because you know.... money, Big Law etc...
I mean the W schools are full of drug dealers and users. Paramedics are called all the time for students passing out in the bathrooms due to overdose.

Carjackings and murders are happening in Bethesda and Potomac that are getting “swept under the rug”?

Overall, carjackings are up 19%. Violent crime up 13%:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/cm/2022/20221010/20221010_PS2.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:PG is tough on crime, unlike MoCo. We don't have woke officials on our County Board.

https://wtop.com/prince-georges-county/2022/09/prince-georges-co-to-enforce-teen-curfew-to-combat-crime-these-kids-dont-just-need-a-hug/

Prince George’s County Executive Angela Alsobrooks says police in the Maryland county will begin stepping up enforcement of an already on-the-books curfew to keep teens off the streets at night, amid a rise in carjackings and other violent crime.

Wow, this might be the first time ever, in way too many years on DCUM, that somebody used Prince George's County as a positive example (as opposed to an example of their own racism). I'm going to check out the window for pigs flying.

Yup. I do think Black politicians - who understand the very real effects of crime in PG - know they need to get tough, while ensuring their police aren't doing it in a racially biased way.

This is exactly right. And what's wrecking Montgomery County, at least, is a bunch of white progressives who think they are being allies, but who are in fact bringing more pain to marginalized communities in the form of increased crime. I invite Elrich, the entire Council, and all their little activist buddies to spend a week living in the Enclave. And see how they like it.

So let's see. The Enclave is in state district 20 and county council district 5. And whom did the voters who actually live in state district 20 and county council district 5 (which you probably don't) elect as their representatives, just last month? 4 non-white progressives and 1 white progressive. How about that.

DP. And do any of these politicians live in the Enclave? Have they even visited?

I grimace when I think of this council addressing crime. I don’t see how they are remotely qualified to do so. Have they attended the MCPD Citizen’s Academy? Have they even done a ride-along?

It’s pretty easy to address crime from afar, when it doesn’t touch the street you live on. I’ve been the victim of a crime in Montgomery County. I want a present and supported police force, and I worry that’s not what we’ll get with this council. The current plan is to reduce police presence to reduce crime. How does that even remotely make sense?

I'm guessing the voters who live in the Enclave have a better understanding of living in the Enclave, and of their own interests and priorities, than you do.

Perhaps, but I am pretty confident saying I know more about our police department than they do. At least I’ve done several ride-alongs. Let’s not pretend for a second that the previous council improved safety in Montgomery County. You don’t have to look any further than the crime reports to see that. They also decimated MCPD, which used to be the most sought-out department by recruits. Now they can’t even fill a class because recruits can go to neighboring counties for better pay and more support.

And listening to constituents? No, they didn’t do that, either. The council and exec listened to a task force of 3 students before removing SROs. 3, out of 160,000. Meanwhile, PGCPS actually sent out a community-wide survey. 80% of respondents said to keep them. I doubt there will be a ton of listening going on by the current council, but I would love to see them prove me wrong.

So, are they prepared to handle crime? Not remotely. I’ll change my mind when I see one of them learn a little bit about policing instead of issuing self-serving statements.

That's some chutzpah there. You've done several ride-alongs, so you know more about what's good for east county voters than the east county voters themselves and the people they just elected/re-elected. Wow.

Um… why did you assume I don’t live in east county?

I stand by my statements. I’ve watched the council for the past few years because I am very concerned about increasing crime. All I’ve seen are things that make me worry. The Reimagining Public Safety Task force? Recommendations to decrease police presence by 50% in Silver Spring and Wheaton? Stopping enforcement of quality of life crimes? A suggestion to remove guns from the officers? How does any of this come across as logical and reasoned?

Look at the incidents in MCPS. It was Elrich and the past council who removed SROs against the desire of the school system. How do they know what’s better for students and staff than the educators and administrators?

I live in reality. I want to feel safe in my community. So you call it “churzpah.” I call it holding these representatives accountable.

Ok, so you live in the east county. Well, the majority of your voting neighbors disagree with you. That's democracy.

You have yet to comment on crime itself: the increasing statistics, the task force recommendations, the lack of research before removing SROs, etc.

Is it just “my candidate won,” or is it “let’s get to work”? I’m not seeing that you’re actually concerned about crime. I guess it hasn’t affected you as it has me.

No. It's that east county voters JUST voted to elect progressives (of whom 4 of 5 are non-white, and 4 of 5 were actually RE-elected) to represent them in the Maryland General Assembly and the County Council, and your take on this is "a bunch of white progressives who think they are being allies, but who are in fact bringing more pain to marginalized communities in the form of increased crime". Terrible take.

I am not that poster. I have made no statement about “a bunch of white progressives.” I have ONLY provided true facts about crime and the previous council’s affect on the county.

Once again: will you only comment on the election, or do you have a comment about crime?

You haven't provided any "true facts" about crime. You have only provided your personal opinions.

Here you go! Read away:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/CrimeandSafety/2021%20MCPD%20Annual%20Report%20on%20Crime%20and%20Safety.pdf

One note: when you see that “crimes against society” are down 37%, know that is because police are now discouraged from stopping people from using drugs or drinking in public, urinating / defecating, etc. It’s still happening, just isn’t reported.

Therefore, my opinions are grounded in fact. As for other facts I have posted, would you care to comment on the way SROs were removed without community comment? That’s another fact.

"SROs were removed without community comment" is the opposite of fact.

Sure, if you consider a panel of 3 students sufficient for a population of 160,000 students and no community-wide survey. Meanwhile, Prince George’s handled it this way:
https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/pgcps/Board.nsf/files/BXNW286FF2A9/$file/SRO%20Presentation%20v1%20PPT%20(1).pdf

There was plenty of community comment. It's just that most of the comments were from community members with opinions you disagree with.

Where were these advertised? Was everybody given ample opportunity to comment? If the council and exec wanted to do this properly, they would have had a community-wide survey. Does it shock you that PGCPS’s survey shows 80% support for SROs? Is it so unreasonable to assume that a similar survey conducted here would show the same? Until this is done for MCPS, no… this was NOT a well-handled, community-informed decision. (Does it matter that the principals unanimously wanted to keep them? No. They were ignored.)

Can you really support a 3-student panel? You’re okay with that?

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Anonymous wrote:It’ll be (not) awesome when the purple line brings all of this crime right to downtown Bethesda.

Love how you take the mythical racist story of the Georgetown metro and update it for today.

The idea that Bethesda will suddenly become more accessible to crime because of an electric trolley makes me smile.

It's not racist to call out criminal behavior for what it is.

Apparently all of this crime just comes from nowhere and it is all just random coincidences.

Much of it is related to drugs.

And almost all of it is happening in three places: Silver Spring, Montgomery Village and Germantown.

But we all know in actuality much of it happens in Bethesda and Potomac but it gets swept under the rug because you know.... money, Big Law etc...
I mean the W schools are full of drug dealers and users. Paramedics are called all the time for students passing out in the bathrooms due to overdose.

Carjackings and murders are happening in Bethesda and Potomac that are getting “swept under the rug”?