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Anonymous wrote:Thank God for both the Roman Empire and the British Empire, which built civilization as we know it and from whom you have all benefitted tremendously.

Such a weird, sad take. Did you get this POV from your McGuffey’s Reader?

How brainwashed by left wing hogwash are you. Do you seriously not think that the Roman Empire built the modern world?

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Anonymous wrote:British colonies in Africa tend to be doing better than French colonies. The British legal system has been a benefit to India and many other places.

So 100 million dead in India and millions more in poverty is worth the British legal system. Remember the British legal system all power is from the monarchy. So no not worth it. Do you think communist legal system imposed by Mao was worth what he put China through?

Here are the areas formerly under British control in Africa.

Egypt, Sudan, Kenya, Uganda, South Africa, Gambia, Sierra Leone, northwestern Somalia, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Botswana, Nigeria, Ghana, and Malawi

The British system oppressed, kill and torture millions in South Africa and legalize the stealing on resources. The apartheid state was all British.

You are seriously confused. The British in South Africa were ANTI apartheid and made reforms after they won the Boer War. The apartheid government was only installed when the Dutch became a majority and democratically took power.

Anonymous wrote:This is a very weird thread

A lot of people and civilizations in history did a lot of crappy stuff. We focus on the especially terrible (holocaust/ slavery) bc the human to human evil is recent and can be understood as evil even absent context. What do you want us to do about the macro economic public health impacts of a 2 century old regime? I don’t think we can hold Harry styles and Adele accountable

Well you can start by saying Uk was built on a Holocaust of 100 plus people. It is weird people think the legal system imposed on these people makes a everything okay.

This is a very weird thread

A lot of people and civilizations in history did a lot of crappy stuff. We focus on the especially terrible (holocaust/ slavery) bc the human to human evil is recent and can be understood as evil even absent context. What do you want us to do about the macro economic public health impacts of a 2 century old regime? I don’t think we can hold Harry styles and Adele accountable

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Anonymous wrote:There are a couple assumptions that seem arguable. But at first look, there's no reason to think that colonialism could be good for the colonized - but the die cannot be unrolled, the present cannot be changed, and colonization did bring some benefits too.

I think the colonized should be the judge of that--and if the 100 million death toll was worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:British colonies in Africa tend to be doing better than French colonies. The British legal system has been a benefit to India and many other places.

And maybe they’d be doing even better had they not been colonized.

Maybe we should still be colonized - we’d be doing better, especially with gun control!

Of the countries that have never been colonized, Japan is doing great. That's about it.

The same reason Japan was never colonized is the same reason it "is doing great": highly intelligent populace.

They weren't colonized because they had no valuable resources. Read a damn book!

This is a bizarre thread. I mean no one is advocating for colonization to start back up again? Human history is full of people oppressing, rising up, and starting over to try again. Whole populations have been wiped out along the way. Cultures lost forever, great crimes committed. And great progress has happened alongside that.

Some cultures have been fortunate to remain fairly untouched for thousands of years like China and Japan and others have been through repeated upheavals.

Like the tectonic plates and volcanos you can say that great progress comes from great change. Sometimes change comes at you from within and sometimes externally. Sometimes change is good and sometimes it is horrible. But change has moved the world forward.

The current monarchy has essentially nothing to do with colonization other than that they have not actively set all these countries 'free' but they have essentially started saying 'whatever' to the ones who are seeking independence.

This is like slavery, it is a horrible thing, no one thinks it was good. But it has, for better or worse, shaped the modern world. All we can do is work with what is in front of us.

What should the UK do with this study OP? And this is truly not a defense of colonialism but it was kind of something EVERYONE was doing at the time. The way we think about the world and other cultures has really changed in the last century. But people have been dying because of cruel powerful people for all of human history, this is nothing new or unique to Britain.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank God for both the Roman Empire and the British Empire, which built civilization as we know it and from whom you have all benefitted tremendously.

And he Roman Empire built the British Empire.

Lol the Britains really did not care for the Romans.

People rarely care for their conquerors.

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Anonymous wrote:British colonies in Africa tend to be doing better than French colonies. The British legal system has been a benefit to India and many other places.

And maybe they’d be doing even better had they not been colonized.

Maybe we should still be colonized - we’d be doing better, especially with gun control!

Of the countries that have never been colonized, Japan is doing great. That's about it.

The same reason Japan was never colonized is the same reason it "is doing great": highly intelligent populace.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank God for both the Roman Empire and the British Empire, which built civilization as we know it and from whom you have all benefitted tremendously.

And he Roman Empire built the British Empire.

Lol the Britains really did not care for the Romans.

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Anonymous wrote:Odd claim. Britain brought India into the modern world. Moving from agrarianism to industrialism caused a lot of increased poverty in Britain as well when it was going through its own industrial revolution, that’s just how it works. The British empire was the most benevolent empire in world history. Are there any other contenders?

India was the industrial workshop of the world in the 17th and 18th century, before the British. How do you know that India wouldn't have come "into the modern world" if it weren't for the British? After all, the civilization there dates back thousands of years, and had some of the most advanced civilizations, well before Europe. I'm sure the British empire was "benevolent", if you were British; funny how none of the countries it colonized thought so, and the US actually fought a whole damn war to be rid of them.

Actually, British colonialism brought modern governance and administration to the feudal feuding system that was previously there, and that returned at various times especially during the time periods of the study.

And the British system of governance and administration is kept in India now because it is good.

It has remained so in many former British colonies because it is a legacy institution, not because it is "good" or better than the previous system of governance.

Yeah, just look at how amazingly well the countries that were never subject to colonization are doing. Ethiopia sure is killing it right now

Oh now do the Democratic Republic of the Congo!!

Anonymous wrote:Thank God for both the Roman Empire and the British Empire, which built civilization as we know it and from whom you have all benefitted tremendously.

And he Roman Empire built the British Empire.

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Anonymous wrote:Odd claim. Britain brought India into the modern world. Moving from agrarianism to industrialism caused a lot of increased poverty in Britain as well when it was going through its own industrial revolution, that’s just how it works. The British empire was the most benevolent empire in world history. Are there any other contenders?

India was the industrial workshop of the world in the 17th and 18th century, before the British. How do you know that India wouldn't have come "into the modern world" if it weren't for the British? After all, the civilization there dates back thousands of years, and had some of the most advanced civilizations, well before Europe. I'm sure the British empire was "benevolent", if you were British; funny how none of the countries it colonized thought so, and the US actually fought a whole damn war to be rid of them.

Actually, British colonialism brought modern governance and administration to the feudal feuding system that was previously there, and that returned at various times especially during the time periods of the study.

And the British system of governance and administration is kept in India now because it is good.

It has remained so in many former British colonies because it is a legacy institution, not because it is "good" or better than the previous system of governance.

Yeah, just look at how amazingly well the countries that were never subject to colonization are doing. Ethiopia sure is killing it right now

Uh, Ethiopia was colonized by Italy.

for 5 years in the 30s. By that logic, France was colonized by Germany

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Anonymous wrote:Odd claim. Britain brought India into the modern world. Moving from agrarianism to industrialism caused a lot of increased poverty in Britain as well when it was going through its own industrial revolution, that’s just how it works. The British empire was the most benevolent empire in world history. Are there any other contenders?

India was the industrial workshop of the world in the 17th and 18th century, before the British. How do you know that India wouldn't have come "into the modern world" if it weren't for the British? After all, the civilization there dates back thousands of years, and had some of the most advanced civilizations, well before Europe. I'm sure the British empire was "benevolent", if you were British; funny how none of the countries it colonized thought so, and the US actually fought a whole damn war to be rid of them.

Actually, British colonialism brought modern governance and administration to the feudal feuding system that was previously there, and that returned at various times especially during the time periods of the study.

And the British system of governance and administration is kept in India now because it is good.

It has remained so in many former British colonies because it is a legacy institution, not because it is "good" or better than the previous system of governance.

Yeah, just look at how amazingly well the countries that were never subject to colonization are doing. Ethiopia sure is killing it right now

Uh, Ethiopia was colonized by Italy.

Anonymous wrote:Now, let's do the Mongol Empire.

You know, the greatest cause of violent death (by percentage of people living at the time) in recorded human history.

But there are no Mongol Duchesses living in Montecito who are wreaking revenge on the British Royal Family by churning the waters in the US. As a descendent of Cornish indentured servants who were sold to Pennsylvania coal companies, I am thrilled to shed the Brits and happy that the United States whooped their red coated arses.