Anonymous wrote:Two important points - one, the school district cannot legally refuse to rent to any group during non-school hours. There aren't even any kids present, so it would be plain discrimination.

Another thing; the club is being super transparent about who they are, so that no one registers their kid and then finds out later.

So I don't see the problem. It's not even a religious club.

What? That's the only basis for allowing it - nondiscrimination under the first amendment since the school allows other religious clubs after school. Read the article, and the rationale of the school district and the law professor

Two important points - one, the school district cannot legally refuse to rent to any group during non-school hours. There aren't even any kids present, so it would be plain discrimination.

Another thing; the club is being super transparent about who they are, so that no one registers their kid and then finds out later.

So I don't see the problem. It's not even a religious club.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

What do they do in their weekly after school meetings, if atheism isn’t a system if thought as pp keeps posting?

It is our goal to provide a fun,
intellectually stimulating, and
non-proselytizing alternative to
current religious after school clubs
being offered in our public schools,
which aim to indoctrinate children into
their religious view.
We are not offering any materials or
lectures to your child about Satanism;
instead, our focus will be on free
inquiry and rationalism, bolstering
scientific understandings of the
natural world, and nurturing your
child’s already awesome ability to be
curious about the wonders around
them.

https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/after-school-satan

So they’re tearing down other religions, got it. If it’s just another nature or physics club, why not call it that.

then they will fit right in with the religious clubs.

You’ve obviously never been in a religious context. I don’t remember a single time anybody tore down another religion. A religious club is going to be more about praying and maybe a little scripture and lots of soup kitchens and other charitable deeds. You might have to buy stinky candles to support a homeless shelter attend out-of-tune caroling at the local old folks’ home.

The Satanist club? Who knows.

You're hilarious.

OK, tell us from your own experience what goes on in an elementary school religious club.

Also, tell us what the Satanists do every week.

That “little scripture” is at one point going to be Romans 10:9-10. Honestly have you ever seen a bunch of evangelical kids get together and talk religion without talking about people aren’t going to be saved unless they proclaim Jesus’ name? I am a former Mormon raised in Georgia (so I often participated in evangelical activities) and I cannot tell you how many times kids told me I was going to hell. And I can’t tell you how many times I heard that Mormons were the only true church. “I’m right, you’re wrong” is fundamental to the majority of American religions.

I don’t really care who does what but the idea that the Satanists are being mean or something because they are emphasizing rationality is not true. If anybody is being mean it’s the churches.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

What do they do in their weekly after school meetings, if atheism isn’t a system if thought as pp keeps posting?

It is our goal to provide a fun,
intellectually stimulating, and
non-proselytizing alternative to
current religious after school clubs
being offered in our public schools,
which aim to indoctrinate children into
their religious view.
We are not offering any materials or
lectures to your child about Satanism;
instead, our focus will be on free
inquiry and rationalism, bolstering
scientific understandings of the
natural world, and nurturing your
child’s already awesome ability to be
curious about the wonders around
them.

https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/after-school-satan

So they’re tearing down other religions, got it. If it’s just another nature or physics club, why not call it that.

then they will fit right in with the religious clubs.

You’ve obviously never been in a religious context. I don’t remember a single time anybody tore down another religion. A religious club is going to be more about praying and maybe a little scripture and lots of soup kitchens and other charitable deeds. You might have to buy stinky candles to support a homeless shelter attend out-of-tune caroling at the local old folks’ home.

The Satanist club? Who knows.

You're hilarious.

OK, tell us from your own experience what goes on in an elementary school religious club.

Also, tell us what the Satanists do every week.

Not the PP you are asking, but what does it matter what the specific clubs are doing? The Christian club was approved, and so was the Satan club. Sauce for the goose, etc.

I’m just curious. Atheism is the lack of belief, so there would seem to be no plan. If they’re doing Nature walks, why not call it that?

Do you really need to ask? It’s to draw attention to the fact that we have enshrined separation of church and state in our constitution, something that many religious folk don’t like.

So the kids sit around and complain about religious folk for an hour every week?

They haven't even met yet, so ow would you know.

This is what they said they're about: "“We do not believe in a supernatural Satan as a symbol because legend has it that Satan was the first to start asking questions and was cast out of heaven for that reason,” ASSC’s June Everett said. As WTKR’s report points out, the club’s flyer insists it’s not looking to convert children into any sort of religion and only wants to encourage them to look at the world scientifically."

I'll take them at their word, not that "complaining about religious folk for an hour every week" would be all bad.

Children have science class to look at the world scientifically. Why would families want Satanists to gain access to their children?

Why would families want Christians to gain access to their children?

Great question. Crickets.

what's wrong with it? Also, I did answer at 17:02

You didn’t answer the question of why anyone would want Christians proselytizing to our children. You only asked why it’s called the satanist club if it’s truly humanist. I do not want anyone teaching Christianity to my child in public school, that is for sure. It’s hypocritical to claim one kind of club should be allowed and not the other.

ok. I must have misread your question

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

What do they do in their weekly after school meetings, if atheism isn’t a system if thought as pp keeps posting?

It is our goal to provide a fun,
intellectually stimulating, and
non-proselytizing alternative to
current religious after school clubs
being offered in our public schools,
which aim to indoctrinate children into
their religious view.
We are not offering any materials or
lectures to your child about Satanism;
instead, our focus will be on free
inquiry and rationalism, bolstering
scientific understandings of the
natural world, and nurturing your
child’s already awesome ability to be
curious about the wonders around
them.

https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/after-school-satan

So they’re tearing down other religions, got it. If it’s just another nature or physics club, why not call it that.

then they will fit right in with the religious clubs.

You’ve obviously never been in a religious context. I don’t remember a single time anybody tore down another religion. A religious club is going to be more about praying and maybe a little scripture and lots of soup kitchens and other charitable deeds. You might have to buy stinky candles to support a homeless shelter attend out-of-tune caroling at the local old folks’ home.

The Satanist club? Who knows.

You're hilarious.

OK, tell us from your own experience what goes on in an elementary school religious club.

Also, tell us what the Satanists do every week.

Not the PP you are asking, but what does it matter what the specific clubs are doing? The Christian club was approved, and so was the Satan club. Sauce for the goose, etc.

I’m just curious. Atheism is the lack of belief, so there would seem to be no plan. If they’re doing Nature walks, why not call it that?

Do you really need to ask? It’s to draw attention to the fact that we have enshrined separation of church and state in our constitution, something that many religious folk don’t like.

So the kids sit around and complain about religious folk for an hour every week?

They haven't even met yet, so ow would you know.

This is what they said they're about: "“We do not believe in a supernatural Satan as a symbol because legend has it that Satan was the first to start asking questions and was cast out of heaven for that reason,” ASSC’s June Everett said. As WTKR’s report points out, the club’s flyer insists it’s not looking to convert children into any sort of religion and only wants to encourage them to look at the world scientifically."

I'll take them at their word, not that "complaining about religious folk for an hour every week" would be all bad.

Children have science class to look at the world scientifically. Why would families want Satanists to gain access to their children?

Why would families want Christians to gain access to their children?

Great question. Crickets.

what's wrong with it? Also, I did answer at 17:02

You didn’t answer the question of why anyone would want Christians proselytizing to our children. You only asked why it’s called the satanist club if it’s truly humanist. I do not want anyone teaching Christianity to my child in public school, that is for sure. It’s hypocritical to claim one kind of club should be allowed and not the other.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

What do they do in their weekly after school meetings, if atheism isn’t a system if thought as pp keeps posting?

It is our goal to provide a fun,
intellectually stimulating, and
non-proselytizing alternative to
current religious after school clubs
being offered in our public schools,
which aim to indoctrinate children into
their religious view.
We are not offering any materials or
lectures to your child about Satanism;
instead, our focus will be on free
inquiry and rationalism, bolstering
scientific understandings of the
natural world, and nurturing your
child’s already awesome ability to be
curious about the wonders around
them.

https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/after-school-satan

So they’re tearing down other religions, got it. If it’s just another nature or physics club, why not call it that.

then they will fit right in with the religious clubs.

You’ve obviously never been in a religious context. I don’t remember a single time anybody tore down another religion. A religious club is going to be more about praying and maybe a little scripture and lots of soup kitchens and other charitable deeds. You might have to buy stinky candles to support a homeless shelter attend out-of-tune caroling at the local old folks’ home.

The Satanist club? Who knows.

You're hilarious.

OK, tell us from your own experience what goes on in an elementary school religious club.

Also, tell us what the Satanists do every week.

Not the PP you are asking, but what does it matter what the specific clubs are doing? The Christian club was approved, and so was the Satan club. Sauce for the goose, etc.

I’m just curious. Atheism is the lack of belief, so there would seem to be no plan. If they’re doing Nature walks, why not call it that?

Do you really need to ask? It’s to draw attention to the fact that we have enshrined separation of church and state in our constitution, something that many religious folk don’t like.

So the kids sit around and complain about religious folk for an hour every week?

They haven't even met yet, so ow would you know.

This is what they said they're about: "“We do not believe in a supernatural Satan as a symbol because legend has it that Satan was the first to start asking questions and was cast out of heaven for that reason,” ASSC’s June Everett said. As WTKR’s report points out, the club’s flyer insists it’s not looking to convert children into any sort of religion and only wants to encourage them to look at the world scientifically."

I'll take them at their word, not that "complaining about religious folk for an hour every week" would be all bad.

Children have science class to look at the world scientifically. Why would families want Satanists to gain access to their children?

Why would families want Christians to gain access to their children?

Great question. Crickets.

what's wrong with it? Also, I did answer at 17:02

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

What do they do in their weekly after school meetings, if atheism isn’t a system if thought as pp keeps posting?

It is our goal to provide a fun,
intellectually stimulating, and
non-proselytizing alternative to
current religious after school clubs
being offered in our public schools,
which aim to indoctrinate children into
their religious view.
We are not offering any materials or
lectures to your child about Satanism;
instead, our focus will be on free
inquiry and rationalism, bolstering
scientific understandings of the
natural world, and nurturing your
child’s already awesome ability to be
curious about the wonders around
them.

https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/after-school-satan

So they’re tearing down other religions, got it. If it’s just another nature or physics club, why not call it that.

then they will fit right in with the religious clubs.

You’ve obviously never been in a religious context. I don’t remember a single time anybody tore down another religion. A religious club is going to be more about praying and maybe a little scripture and lots of soup kitchens and other charitable deeds. You might have to buy stinky candles to support a homeless shelter attend out-of-tune caroling at the local old folks’ home.

The Satanist club? Who knows.

You're hilarious.

OK, tell us from your own experience what goes on in an elementary school religious club.

Also, tell us what the Satanists do every week.

Not the PP you are asking, but what does it matter what the specific clubs are doing? The Christian club was approved, and so was the Satan club. Sauce for the goose, etc.

I’m just curious. Atheism is the lack of belief, so there would seem to be no plan. If they’re doing Nature walks, why not call it that?

Do you really need to ask? It’s to draw attention to the fact that we have enshrined separation of church and state in our constitution, something that many religious folk don’t like.

So the kids sit around and complain about religious folk for an hour every week?

They haven't even met yet, so ow would you know.

This is what they said they're about: "“We do not believe in a supernatural Satan as a symbol because legend has it that Satan was the first to start asking questions and was cast out of heaven for that reason,” ASSC’s June Everett said. As WTKR’s report points out, the club’s flyer insists it’s not looking to convert children into any sort of religion and only wants to encourage them to look at the world scientifically."

I'll take them at their word, not that "complaining about religious folk for an hour every week" would be all bad.

Children have science class to look at the world scientifically. Why would families want Satanists to gain access to their children?

Why would families want Christians to gain access to their children?

Great question. Crickets.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

What do they do in their weekly after school meetings, if atheism isn’t a system if thought as pp keeps posting?

It is our goal to provide a fun,
intellectually stimulating, and
non-proselytizing alternative to
current religious after school clubs
being offered in our public schools,
which aim to indoctrinate children into
their religious view.
We are not offering any materials or
lectures to your child about Satanism;
instead, our focus will be on free
inquiry and rationalism, bolstering
scientific understandings of the
natural world, and nurturing your
child’s already awesome ability to be
curious about the wonders around
them.

https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/after-school-satan

So they’re tearing down other religions, got it. If it’s just another nature or physics club, why not call it that.

then they will fit right in with the religious clubs.

You’ve obviously never been in a religious context. I don’t remember a single time anybody tore down another religion. A religious club is going to be more about praying and maybe a little scripture and lots of soup kitchens and other charitable deeds. You might have to buy stinky candles to support a homeless shelter attend out-of-tune caroling at the local old folks’ home.

The Satanist club? Who knows.

You're hilarious.

OK, tell us from your own experience what goes on in an elementary school religious club.

Also, tell us what the Satanists do every week.

Not the PP you are asking, but what does it matter what the specific clubs are doing? The Christian club was approved, and so was the Satan club. Sauce for the goose, etc.

I’m just curious. Atheism is the lack of belief, so there would seem to be no plan. If they’re doing Nature walks, why not call it that?

Do you really need to ask? It’s to draw attention to the fact that we have enshrined separation of church and state in our constitution, something that many religious folk don’t like.

So the kids sit around and complain about religious folk for an hour every week?

They haven't even met yet, so ow would you know.

This is what they said they're about: "“We do not believe in a supernatural Satan as a symbol because legend has it that Satan was the first to start asking questions and was cast out of heaven for that reason,” ASSC’s June Everett said. As WTKR’s report points out, the club’s flyer insists it’s not looking to convert children into any sort of religion and only wants to encourage them to look at the world scientifically."

I'll take them at their word, not that "complaining about religious folk for an hour every week" would be all bad.

Children have science class to look at the world scientifically. Why would families want Satanists to gain access to their children?

Crickets on any answer.

Oh BS that was answered. You need the answer explained to you? They don't. It's not about that.

What there has been crickets on is the "why would families want Christians to gain access to their children?"

Because that would expose the hypocrisy.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

What do they do in their weekly after school meetings, if atheism isn’t a system if thought as pp keeps posting?

It is our goal to provide a fun,
intellectually stimulating, and
non-proselytizing alternative to
current religious after school clubs
being offered in our public schools,
which aim to indoctrinate children into
their religious view.
We are not offering any materials or
lectures to your child about Satanism;
instead, our focus will be on free
inquiry and rationalism, bolstering
scientific understandings of the
natural world, and nurturing your
child’s already awesome ability to be
curious about the wonders around
them.

https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/after-school-satan

So they’re tearing down other religions, got it. If it’s just another nature or physics club, why not call it that.

then they will fit right in with the religious clubs.

You’ve obviously never been in a religious context. I don’t remember a single time anybody tore down another religion. A religious club is going to be more about praying and maybe a little scripture and lots of soup kitchens and other charitable deeds. You might have to buy stinky candles to support a homeless shelter attend out-of-tune caroling at the local old folks’ home.

The Satanist club? Who knows.

You're hilarious.

OK, tell us from your own experience what goes on in an elementary school religious club.

Also, tell us what the Satanists do every week.

Not the PP you are asking, but what does it matter what the specific clubs are doing? The Christian club was approved, and so was the Satan club. Sauce for the goose, etc.

I’m just curious. Atheism is the lack of belief, so there would seem to be no plan. If they’re doing Nature walks, why not call it that?

Do you really need to ask? It’s to draw attention to the fact that we have enshrined separation of church and state in our constitution, something that many religious folk don’t like.

So the kids sit around and complain about religious folk for an hour every week?

They haven't even met yet, so ow would you know.

This is what they said they're about: "“We do not believe in a supernatural Satan as a symbol because legend has it that Satan was the first to start asking questions and was cast out of heaven for that reason,” ASSC’s June Everett said. As WTKR’s report points out, the club’s flyer insists it’s not looking to convert children into any sort of religion and only wants to encourage them to look at the world scientifically."

I'll take them at their word, not that "complaining about religious folk for an hour every week" would be all bad.

Children have science class to look at the world scientifically. Why would families want Satanists to gain access to their children?

Crickets on any answer.

Because it's a stupid question since there are no Satanists in the club.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

What do they do in their weekly after school meetings, if atheism isn’t a system if thought as pp keeps posting?

It is our goal to provide a fun,
intellectually stimulating, and
non-proselytizing alternative to
current religious after school clubs
being offered in our public schools,
which aim to indoctrinate children into
their religious view.
We are not offering any materials or
lectures to your child about Satanism;
instead, our focus will be on free
inquiry and rationalism, bolstering
scientific understandings of the
natural world, and nurturing your
child’s already awesome ability to be
curious about the wonders around
them.

https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/after-school-satan

So they’re tearing down other religions, got it. If it’s just another nature or physics club, why not call it that.

then they will fit right in with the religious clubs.

You’ve obviously never been in a religious context. I don’t remember a single time anybody tore down another religion. A religious club is going to be more about praying and maybe a little scripture and lots of soup kitchens and other charitable deeds. You might have to buy stinky candles to support a homeless shelter attend out-of-tune caroling at the local old folks’ home.

The Satanist club? Who knows.

You're hilarious.

OK, tell us from your own experience what goes on in an elementary school religious club.

Also, tell us what the Satanists do every week.

Not the PP you are asking, but what does it matter what the specific clubs are doing? The Christian club was approved, and so was the Satan club. Sauce for the goose, etc.

I’m just curious. Atheism is the lack of belief, so there would seem to be no plan. If they’re doing Nature walks, why not call it that?

Do you really need to ask? It’s to draw attention to the fact that we have enshrined separation of church and state in our constitution, something that many religious folk don’t like.

So the kids sit around and complain about religious folk for an hour every week?

They haven't even met yet, so ow would you know.

This is what they said they're about: "“We do not believe in a supernatural Satan as a symbol because legend has it that Satan was the first to start asking questions and was cast out of heaven for that reason,” ASSC’s June Everett said. As WTKR’s report points out, the club’s flyer insists it’s not looking to convert children into any sort of religion and only wants to encourage them to look at the world scientifically."

I'll take them at their word, not that "complaining about religious folk for an hour every week" would be all bad.

The line about “we don’t want to convert children into any sort of religion” seems pretty self-evident, not sure why they felt they had to mention that as part of the club’s purpose, but maybe they had to say something?

Based on the number of people here who think atheism is a religion, I think it’s not self-evident to all.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

What do they do in their weekly after school meetings, if atheism isn’t a system if thought as pp keeps posting?

It is our goal to provide a fun,
intellectually stimulating, and
non-proselytizing alternative to
current religious after school clubs
being offered in our public schools,
which aim to indoctrinate children into
their religious view.
We are not offering any materials or
lectures to your child about Satanism;
instead, our focus will be on free
inquiry and rationalism, bolstering
scientific understandings of the
natural world, and nurturing your
child’s already awesome ability to be
curious about the wonders around
them.

https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/after-school-satan

So they’re tearing down other religions, got it. If it’s just another nature or physics club, why not call it that.

then they will fit right in with the religious clubs.

You’ve obviously never been in a religious context. I don’t remember a single time anybody tore down another religion. A religious club is going to be more about praying and maybe a little scripture and lots of soup kitchens and other charitable deeds. You might have to buy stinky candles to support a homeless shelter attend out-of-tune caroling at the local old folks’ home.

The Satanist club? Who knows.

You're hilarious.

OK, tell us from your own experience what goes on in an elementary school religious club.

Also, tell us what the Satanists do every week.

Not the PP you are asking, but what does it matter what the specific clubs are doing? The Christian club was approved, and so was the Satan club. Sauce for the goose, etc.

I’m just curious. Atheism is the lack of belief, so there would seem to be no plan. If they’re doing Nature walks, why not call it that?

Do you really need to ask? It’s to draw attention to the fact that we have enshrined separation of church and state in our constitution, something that many religious folk don’t like.

So the kids sit around and complain about religious folk for an hour every week?

They haven't even met yet, so ow would you know.

This is what they said they're about: "“We do not believe in a supernatural Satan as a symbol because legend has it that Satan was the first to start asking questions and was cast out of heaven for that reason,” ASSC’s June Everett said. As WTKR’s report points out, the club’s flyer insists it’s not looking to convert children into any sort of religion and only wants to encourage them to look at the world scientifically."

I'll take them at their word, not that "complaining about religious folk for an hour every week" would be all bad.

Children have science class to look at the world scientifically. Why would families want Satanists to gain access to their children?

Crickets on any answer.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

What do they do in their weekly after school meetings, if atheism isn’t a system if thought as pp keeps posting?

It is our goal to provide a fun,
intellectually stimulating, and
non-proselytizing alternative to
current religious after school clubs
being offered in our public schools,
which aim to indoctrinate children into
their religious view.
We are not offering any materials or
lectures to your child about Satanism;
instead, our focus will be on free
inquiry and rationalism, bolstering
scientific understandings of the
natural world, and nurturing your
child’s already awesome ability to be
curious about the wonders around
them.

https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/after-school-satan

So they’re tearing down other religions, got it. If it’s just another nature or physics club, why not call it that.

then they will fit right in with the religious clubs.

You’ve obviously never been in a religious context. I don’t remember a single time anybody tore down another religion. A religious club is going to be more about praying and maybe a little scripture and lots of soup kitchens and other charitable deeds. You might have to buy stinky candles to support a homeless shelter attend out-of-tune caroling at the local old folks’ home.

The Satanist club? Who knows.

You're hilarious.

OK, tell us from your own experience what goes on in an elementary school religious club.

Also, tell us what the Satanists do every week.

Not the PP you are asking, but what does it matter what the specific clubs are doing? The Christian club was approved, and so was the Satan club. Sauce for the goose, etc.

I’m just curious. Atheism is the lack of belief, so there would seem to be no plan. If they’re doing Nature walks, why not call it that?

Do you really need to ask? It’s to draw attention to the fact that we have enshrined separation of church and state in our constitution, something that many religious folk don’t like.

So the kids sit around and complain about religious folk for an hour every week?

They haven't even met yet, so ow would you know.

This is what they said they're about: "“We do not believe in a supernatural Satan as a symbol because legend has it that Satan was the first to start asking questions and was cast out of heaven for that reason,” ASSC’s June Everett said. As WTKR’s report points out, the club’s flyer insists it’s not looking to convert children into any sort of religion and only wants to encourage them to look at the world scientifically."

I'll take them at their word, not that "complaining about religious folk for an hour every week" would be all bad.

Children have science class to look at the world scientifically. Why would families want Satanists to gain access to their children?

It could be the Enlightenment Club, or the Humanist Club, I'll grant you that. But the Satanist Temple stepped up and offered this - and maybe they want to go mainstream -- and if my kid was middle or High School I'd have no problem with it. Elementary does seem a bit too young though. I can see the objections.

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Anonymous wrote:Satanism in ES?!?! Hard pass for me and my DC

If you read OP’s blurb it’s really an atheism club. Still, most parents will think like you and that’s the reason this club is never going to have more than 5 members.

So why they picked the name After School Satan Club? To get media attention? To provoke?
Sorry but no matter what is the content of the club i would feel really uncomfortable having my DC going to a club branding itself as satanic.
For my ES DC I want school clubs about art, sports, STEM, chess, scouts, music etc not this crap!!!

We agree. Keep all religious groups out.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

What do they do in their weekly after school meetings, if atheism isn’t a system if thought as pp keeps posting?

It is our goal to provide a fun,
intellectually stimulating, and
non-proselytizing alternative to
current religious after school clubs
being offered in our public schools,
which aim to indoctrinate children into
their religious view.
We are not offering any materials or
lectures to your child about Satanism;
instead, our focus will be on free
inquiry and rationalism, bolstering
scientific understandings of the
natural world, and nurturing your
child’s already awesome ability to be
curious about the wonders around
them.

https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/after-school-satan

So they’re tearing down other religions, got it. If it’s just another nature or physics club, why not call it that.

then they will fit right in with the religious clubs.

You’ve obviously never been in a religious context. I don’t remember a single time anybody tore down another religion. A religious club is going to be more about praying and maybe a little scripture and lots of soup kitchens and other charitable deeds. You might have to buy stinky candles to support a homeless shelter attend out-of-tune caroling at the local old folks’ home.

The Satanist club? Who knows.

Really? I've heard plenty of times Christians who have mentioned that anyone who is not Christian or was not baptized or did not accept Jesus as their Savior was not saved, was not guaranteed to be accepted into Heaven or was damned (and various other alternatives). If you don't consider that a form of tearing down other religions (essentially saying that others did not belong to a true and saved religion), then we have a difference of opinion here. The Christian church as a general rule is not only unaccepting of other religions, but they are antagonistically so. And I say this as a practicing Christian.

Additionally, there are many Christian denominations that specifically instruct their congregants to proseltyze and try to save those who are not followers of Christ. There are some that say that believers are not doing their duty to God if they don't. Trying to convince others that they are no following a True Faith, is tearing down other religions.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m Christian and I, too, have no problem with this, of course diversity of opinion is important. Although let’s call it what it is, it’s an atheist club trying to convert kids to atheism (not Satanism). Who said atheists never proselytize?

You can't be "converted to Atheism". You can release your beliefs and not take up new ones.

Phrase it like you want, the goal is to pull people away from religion. This is, in fact, proselytizing, and this school group proves that atheists do it too.

Which, again, is fine.

Sorry but words matter. Atheism is not a religion. It is a state lacking belief in one.

Is giving people who lack belief a place to meet "pulling people away from religion"?

Is not looking to convert children into any sort of religion and only wants to encourage them to look at the world scientifically "pulling people away from religion"?

You can quibble about whether atheism is a system of thought, but you’re being disengenuous when you say this group doesn’t have the motive of changing kids’ minds about religion.

No, you're wrong. It only exists to challenge equality. You think that group is going to change anyone's mind? Then I am not sure about yours.