Anonymous
12/02/2022 12:23
Subject: Re:Virginia Tech SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:TJ doesn't represent the entire state - hell it doesn't even represent Fairfax County.
I didn't say it represented the entire state. Dear Lord. I was simply speculating that high stat kids in NOVA were getting turned off to Tech engineering by their recent admission trends focusing on first gen. Simply used recent TJ numbers as an example.
DP. I think it's safe to say that you are projecting. The vast majority of VT acceptances aren't going to first gen/URM, as you would have others believe. Some of you may have kids who were rejected, thus you think it's because of "recent admissions trends." Instead, it's most likely due to the fact that so many highly qualified kids apply, they simply can't take them all. None of the kids who were admitted from our high school were either first gen or URM. They were simply high stats, well-rounded kids. The more you repeat this, the more obvious it is you have a major case of sour grapes - and an axe to grind.
No axe to grind. Not a parent of an applicant. Just speculation/observation which seems to have rubbed some people the wrong way. Not a TJ family, but the number of TJ graduates attending Tech has steadily decreased from 38 in 2018, 16 in 2019 and 2020, 2021 n/a and 7 from class of 2022. In-state engineering admission rate last year was 44% while OOS was 60%. It just all seems strange.
This. And the President wants 40% or more URM and first generation. So someone has to go.
Anonymous
12/02/2022 11:26
Subject: Re:Virginia Tech SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:An yet, the percentage of black students is about 6%, looks like Latino students are 8% and 1st Gen are 14% (which likely includes some of the same students).
I don't think any of the non-urban Virginia schools (UVA, VT, W&M, JMU, etc.) are particularly diverse by national public university standards.
Anonymous
12/02/2022 09:28
Subject: Virginia Tech SAT Scores
Seems like there is a lot of talking past one another.
Feel free to correct me if I am wrong:
4.0 is a weighted average, so it straight As as a B in an AP is the same as A in regular, correct? So a 4.0 could be a significant number of Bs in AP classes, correct?
Feel free to correct me if I am wrong:
4.0 is a weighted average, so it straight As as a B in an AP is the same as A in regular, correct? So a 4.0 could be a significant number of Bs in AP classes, correct?
Anonymous
12/02/2022 08:17
Subject: Re:Virginia Tech SAT Scores
An yet, the percentage of black students is about 6%, looks like Latino students are 8% and 1st Gen are 14% (which likely includes some of the same students).
Anonymous
12/02/2022 07:32
Subject: Virginia Tech SAT Scores
There is an easy solution to this that no one wants because everyone has been raised so entitled to what they want, when they want it. The solution is community college for a year and then transfer.
Anonymous
12/02/2022 06:43
Subject: Re:Virginia Tech SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:TJ doesn't represent the entire state - hell it doesn't even represent Fairfax County.
I didn't say it represented the entire state. Dear Lord. I was simply speculating that high stat kids in NOVA were getting turned off to Tech engineering by their recent admission trends focusing on first gen. Simply used recent TJ numbers as an example.
Only the bottom TJ kids are even interested in VaTech. In fact, TJ grads are NOT interested in colleges/universities period including UVA since it has weak CS/Engineering.
The bolded is such utter BS, I don't even know where to begin. But do go on!
- a TJ parent
DP. You are correct. Absolute BS. Go look at all the high stats kids whose parents posted here and in college confidential about results during the last three years. Over and over high stats TJ kids were deferred or waitlisted or rejected. Some of the posts were tear-jerking because their kid wanted engineering and the parents couldn’t afford private or eve OSS engineering - the only great option in the Commonwealth had been closed to them and they had no alternative
Typically, the bottom 20-25% of the TJ grads even bother applying to VT. It is shameful to attend VT as a TJ grad.
Anonymous
12/02/2022 02:54
Subject: Re:Virginia Tech SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:TJ doesn't represent the entire state - hell it doesn't even represent Fairfax County.
I didn't say it represented the entire state. Dear Lord. I was simply speculating that high stat kids in NOVA were getting turned off to Tech engineering by their recent admission trends focusing on first gen. Simply used recent TJ numbers as an example.
Only the bottom TJ kids are even interested in VaTech. In fact, TJ grads are NOT interested in colleges/universities period including UVA since it has weak CS/Engineering.
The bolded is such utter BS, I don't even know where to begin. But do go on!
- a TJ parent
DP. You are correct. Absolute BS. Go look at all the high stats kids whose parents posted here and in college confidential about results during the last three years. Over and over high stats TJ kids were deferred or waitlisted or rejected. Some of the posts were tear-jerking because their kid wanted engineering and the parents couldn’t afford private or eve OSS engineering - the only great option in the Commonwealth had been closed to them and they had no alternative
Anonymous
12/02/2022 02:25
Subject: Virginia Tech SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:At VT, this will depend on two issues:
1. Did you and your child's other parent go to college?
2. Is your child an URM?
Those two things will matter a lot.
Hmm. Neither of these two things applied to my child and they got in - with good grades and scores. I think you're overgeneralizing here.
Hmm. OP's child doesn't have "good grades and scores." I think you need to actually read the OP here.
Uh, no. I was responding directly to the PP, who keeps making snide comments about needing to be 1st gen or URM to get into VT - which is patently false. Perhaps you're the snide PP, which explains a lot.
No one is making snide comments. They are stating fact. Virginia Tech’s President, Timothy Sands, has been on a well published role on making Virginia Tech more than 40 percent URM/first-generation. See here. https://vtx.vt.edu/articles/2022/09/admissions-fall-census-2022.html. Many in the college admissions field have wondered if this is a proper role for the only public polytechnic school in the Commonwealth. Most say it’s fine for privates to engage in social engineering of incoming classes but not the only polytechnic which many Virginia families need in these tough economic times. If you go back and read the Virginia Tech ED, EA and RD results here and in College Confidential and Reddit you will see many very high stats kids - who would have gotten in to VT before Sands took over - were waitlisted or rejected. This was especially apparent amongst the TJ classes. A lot has been written on this in The Chronicle of Higher Education. Combine this initiative along with the fact that Tech practices yield discrimination and the fact that more OOS students than Virginians get the coveted engineer problem and you will begin to understand why many Virginia parents are upset at Sands’ policies.
Anonymous
12/02/2022 02:05
Subject: Re:Virginia Tech SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:I just don't see much of Virginia being terribly academic. I can't believe the biggest school in the state has OVER a 4.0 GPA as its average.
You are hopelessly out of touch!
Anonymous
12/02/2022 01:48
Subject: Virginia Tech SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:At VT, this will depend on two issues:
1. Did you and your child's other parent go to college?
2. Is your child an URM?
Those two things will matter a lot.
omg no LOL
Anonymous
12/01/2022 22:56
Subject: Re:Virginia Tech SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:TJ doesn't represent the entire state - hell it doesn't even represent Fairfax County.
I didn't say it represented the entire state. Dear Lord. I was simply speculating that high stat kids in NOVA were getting turned off to Tech engineering by their recent admission trends focusing on first gen. Simply used recent TJ numbers as an example.
DP. I think it's safe to say that you are projecting. The vast majority of VT acceptances aren't going to first gen/URM, as you would have others believe. Some of you may have kids who were rejected, thus you think it's because of "recent admissions trends." Instead, it's most likely due to the fact that so many highly qualified kids apply, they simply can't take them all. None of the kids who were admitted from our high school were either first gen or URM. They were simply high stats, well-rounded kids. The more you repeat this, the more obvious it is you have a major case of sour grapes - and an axe to grind.
No axe to grind. Not a parent of an applicant. Just speculation/observation which seems to have rubbed some people the wrong way. Not a TJ family, but the number of TJ graduates attending Tech has steadily decreased from 38 in 2018, 16 in 2019 and 2020, 2021 n/a and 7 from class of 2022. In-state engineering admission rate last year was 44% while OOS was 60%. It just all seems strange.
Anonymous
12/01/2022 22:48
Subject: Re:Virginia Tech SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:TJ doesn't represent the entire state - hell it doesn't even represent Fairfax County.
I didn't say it represented the entire state. Dear Lord. I was simply speculating that high stat kids in NOVA were getting turned off to Tech engineering by their recent admission trends focusing on first gen. Simply used recent TJ numbers as an example.
DP. I think it's safe to say that you are projecting. The vast majority of VT acceptances aren't going to first gen/URM, as you would have others believe. Some of you may have kids who were rejected, thus you think it's because of "recent admissions trends." Instead, it's most likely due to the fact that so many highly qualified kids apply, they simply can't take them all. None of the kids who were admitted from our high school were either first gen or URM. They were simply high stats, well-rounded kids. The more you repeat this, the more obvious it is you have a major case of sour grapes - and an axe to grind.
You need to read more before spouting off. Start with the Chronicle of Higher Education. The President of Virginia Tech has been ver public about moving the school to 40% URM and first generation. There are only so many slots so when you make a shift like this someone isn’t going to get in. If you look at the numbers and even the fallout posted here, Reddit and College Confidential over the last two years you can see a noticeable drop off of top TJ students being passed over for URM snd first generation. Many of these students are from modest families in nova and needed those slots. VT also engaged in yield prop which UVA and others do not. This also hurts top performing students. The big question in higher Ed is whether or not the only polytechnic university in the state should be engaging in social engineering. I say not snd leave that to the privates. Meanwhile nova parents of tech kids have a lot to be concerned about. Go back and read “Virginia Tech Ed, EA and RD decisions” both here and in college confidential and Reddit. There is a distinct disturbing trend of passing over qualified high stats kids in the name of social engineering
Except you don't actually know who was "passed over" in the name of social engineering. You simply don't. You can speculate all you want, but at the end of the day, your kid didn't get in. Perhaps there were others who were better qualified, regardless of their demographics. And btw - almost all good schools engage in yield protection. It's flat-out false to claim that UVA doesn't. Of course they do. They're all trying to get the best yield rate possible.
Anonymous
12/01/2022 22:30
Subject: Re:Virginia Tech SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:TJ doesn't represent the entire state - hell it doesn't even represent Fairfax County.
I didn't say it represented the entire state. Dear Lord. I was simply speculating that high stat kids in NOVA were getting turned off to Tech engineering by their recent admission trends focusing on first gen. Simply used recent TJ numbers as an example.
DP. I think it's safe to say that you are projecting. The vast majority of VT acceptances aren't going to first gen/URM, as you would have others believe. Some of you may have kids who were rejected, thus you think it's because of "recent admissions trends." Instead, it's most likely due to the fact that so many highly qualified kids apply, they simply can't take them all. None of the kids who were admitted from our high school were either first gen or URM. They were simply high stats, well-rounded kids. The more you repeat this, the more obvious it is you have a major case of sour grapes - and an axe to grind.
You need to read more before spouting off. Start with the Chronicle of Higher Education. The President of Virginia Tech has been ver public about moving the school to 40% URM and first generation. There are only so many slots so when you make a shift like this someone isn’t going to get in. If you look at the numbers and even the fallout posted here, Reddit and College Confidential over the last two years you can see a noticeable drop off of top TJ students being passed over for URM snd first generation. Many of these students are from modest families in nova and needed those slots. VT also engaged in yield prop which UVA and others do not. This also hurts top performing students. The big question in higher Ed is whether or not the only polytechnic university in the state should be engaging in social engineering. I say not snd leave that to the privates. Meanwhile nova parents of tech kids have a lot to be concerned about. Go back and read “Virginia Tech Ed, EA and RD decisions” both here and in college confidential and Reddit. There is a distinct disturbing trend of passing over qualified high stats kids in the name of social engineering
Anonymous
12/01/2022 22:09
Subject: Re:Virginia Tech SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:TJ doesn't represent the entire state - hell it doesn't even represent Fairfax County.
I didn't say it represented the entire state. Dear Lord. I was simply speculating that high stat kids in NOVA were getting turned off to Tech engineering by their recent admission trends focusing on first gen. Simply used recent TJ numbers as an example.
DP. I think it's safe to say that you are projecting. The vast majority of VT acceptances aren't going to first gen/URM, as you would have others believe. Some of you may have kids who were rejected, thus you think it's because of "recent admissions trends." Instead, it's most likely due to the fact that so many highly qualified kids apply, they simply can't take them all. None of the kids who were admitted from our high school were either first gen or URM. They were simply high stats, well-rounded kids. The more you repeat this, the more obvious it is you have a major case of sour grapes - and an axe to grind.
Anonymous
12/01/2022 22:02
Subject: Re:Virginia Tech SAT Scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:TJ doesn't represent the entire state - hell it doesn't even represent Fairfax County.
I didn't say it represented the entire state. Dear Lord. I was simply speculating that high stat kids in NOVA were getting turned off to Tech engineering by their recent admission trends focusing on first gen. Simply used recent TJ numbers as an example.
Only the bottom TJ kids are even interested in VaTech. In fact, TJ grads are NOT interested in colleges/universities period including UVA since it has weak CS/Engineering.
The bolded is such utter BS, I don't even know where to begin. But do go on!
- a TJ parent