Anonymous wrote:Agree with PP. Where you go to law school matters the most. Then how you do there. That being said, I think where you go to undergrad could make a difference in jobs after law school DEPENDING on where you go to law school. For example, if someone is Cornell Undergrad, Penn Law--people may want to be able to say they hired a double Ivy (compared to someone like me who was GW Undergrad Penn Law). I don't think it makes a difference for top tier law schools like Harvard Yale, etc. But the ability to say double Ivy is powerful. So is double Wahoo though (UVA undergrad and UVA Law).

As to getting into law school, they say it doesn't make a difference but I have to believe it makes a slight difference in a close call. I would think Ivy law schools would take somebody faster from another Ivy than non-Ivy.

No one snooty enough to care will be impressed by "double Ivy," especially if one of those is a lower Ivy . Just seems like someone who is trying too hard.

Now double-Harvard? Stanford + Yale law? MIT + Harvard Law? That'll impress clients.

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Anonymous wrote:For engineering Cornell, Dartmouth and Brown don't even make the top 15 in engineering per Niche 2023 Best Engineering Schools

https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/best-colleges-for-engineering/

Few take Niche rankings seriously.

The Niche rankings for engineering are ridiculous.

Do you have a better list?

Anonymous wrote:Clinton's daughter works for parents.

Ever wonder why children of heads of state always go to an Ivy League and never to other top colleges such as MIT?

Anonymous wrote:For engineering Cornell, Dartmouth and Brown don't even make the top 15 in engineering per Niche 2023 Best Engineering Schools

https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/best-colleges-for-engineering/

Few take Niche rankings seriously.

The Niche rankings for engineering are ridiculous.

There is nothing wrong with having some institutions available for super academically oriented geeks and nerds to go study together and push forward their education at a high level with excellent resources, professors, and peers.

If it is not for you or your student that is OK. But for some kids, a very high level institution of higher learning is a very valuable resource nto help them reach their full potential.

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Anonymous wrote:My siblings and I were the first in our family to go to college and going to Yale changed my future also. While I didn't succeed right out of college (got a job but it wasn't a great one), I was able to get a recommendation from a Yale professor to get into law school 5 years after I had graduated. Not every prof would have done that. And then having Yale on my resume for applying for law firm jobs opened doors as well.

I think the lesson here from this and other stories is that not every ivy is the best, but Yale is generally a really good and supportive ivy.

You do realize that:

1. Law schools don't care about where you go to undergrad, and

2. Law firms only care about law school and not college, right?

+1

Law firms do not care about which undergraduate school a law school graduate attended. Law firms focus on law schools and grades / class rank during law school.

For engineering Cornell, Dartmouth and Brown don't even make the top 15 in engineering per Niche 2023 Best Engineering Schools

https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/best-colleges-for-engineering/

I think for too many (especially some parents) there is an unhealthy obsession with the Ivy League colleges. It is probably more difficult to do the necessary research and reflection to determine what the best college is for their child.

Agree with PP. Where you go to law school matters the most. Then how you do there. That being said, I think where you go to undergrad could make a difference in jobs after law school DEPENDING on where you go to law school. For example, if someone is Cornell Undergrad, Penn Law--people may want to be able to say they hired a double Ivy (compared to someone like me who was GW Undergrad Penn Law). I don't think it makes a difference for top tier law schools like Harvard Yale, etc. But the ability to say double Ivy is powerful. So is double Wahoo though (UVA undergrad and UVA Law).

As to getting into law school, they say it doesn't make a difference but I have to believe it makes a slight difference in a close call. I would think Ivy law schools would take somebody faster from another Ivy than non-Ivy.

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Anonymous wrote:My siblings and I were the first in our family to go to college and going to Yale changed my future also. While I didn't succeed right out of college (got a job but it wasn't a great one), I was able to get a recommendation from a Yale professor to get into law school 5 years after I had graduated. Not every prof would have done that. And then having Yale on my resume for applying for law firm jobs opened doors as well.

I think the lesson here from this and other stories is that not every ivy is the best, but Yale is generally a really good and supportive ivy.

You do realize that:

1. Law schools don't care about where you go to undergrad, and

2. Law firms only care about law school and not college, right?

#1 may be true to the extent law schools focus on GPAs and LSATs, but #2 is definitely not true and for you to suggest otherwise suggests you are not well grounded in the real world. Law firms may only recruit from certain law schools but then a candidate's entire resume gets considered. Plenty of room for the old boy and old girl networks to kick in.

Of course one's major area of study matters. Compare schools by results for similar majors.

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Anonymous wrote:Attending and graduating from an Ivy League school generates opportunities. Whether or not one takes advantage of those opportunities is an individual matter, not a criticism of Ivy League schools.

Attending any college generates opportunities. Every college has alumni networks.

So all colleges are the same with respect to job & career opportunities ?

Major matters much more

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=2301&fos_credential=3

Harvard English: $43845

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?232186-George-Mason-University&fos_code=1107&fos_credential=3

GMU CS: $83185

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Anonymous wrote:My siblings and I were the first in our family to go to college and going to Yale changed my future also. While I didn't succeed right out of college (got a job but it wasn't a great one), I was able to get a recommendation from a Yale professor to get into law school 5 years after I had graduated. Not every prof would have done that. And then having Yale on my resume for applying for law firm jobs opened doors as well.

I think the lesson here from this and other stories is that not every ivy is the best, but Yale is generally a really good and supportive ivy.

Do you realize that you are suggesting that professors at every other college in the country wouldn't write their students a recommendation for law school? Only at Yale would you find a professor willing to write a law school rec. You are so ridiculous. Many of us are still in touch with our college professors decades later.

I am not one of those people. I graduated from college and then never wrote or emailed or visited. I basically dropped off the face of the earth. And yet 5 years later my professor still remembered me and was perfectly happy to write me a recommendation. He did it promptly and didn't make me feel any guilt or shame for asking, or make me feel like it was the slightest imposition to him. He was kind and generous.

I'm sure professors at many other colleges would do this, I just feel very lucky that mine did and was so kind about it.

Clinton's daughter works for parents.

Many get jobs due to connections, not due to academics or college name. I know many who couldn't get into a local state school and did community college to become eligible for transfer and then got hired by top companies where their dad or uncle worked.