Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Speaking of temper tantrums, how does being so angry and irate at teachers 2 years later help your child learn this year?
Is your vitriol helping children get help or is it making the situation worse?
Or are only teachers expected to put your child above their family/yourself?
Is that how you’d characterize the situation of the tens of millions of people that worked through the pandemic in public-facing and/or crowded conditions? Including the people that made sure you had food, utilities, medical services/supplies, public safety services, and countless other essential (and nonessential) goods and services?
No it is how I characterize this thread and people who are still rehashing this argument after 2 years.
There are different issues now. Are they related? Sure
If you want to help and not just spew anger then help. If not your anger is just anger and only you can change that.
Schools and teachers can help by acknowledging their past mistakes and promising to act differently in the future.
Ok we are so very very sorry. The pandemic was mishandled by school boards, the president who threw out the CDC pandemic playbook, superintendents and the NIH. Teachers taught these people and are therefore responsible for their actions. It is true, even teachers themselves made errors of judgement and wanted to work from home. In the next global emergency we will act differently. This new, improved and better plan will be based upon the needs of the pandemic of 2020, not whatever future situation the world will be facing.
Thank you for demonstrating my point. It’s a problem that teachers haven’t acknowledged the harm they did to kids through their actions. It’s not even clear many of them fully understand that harm or the role they played.
It is currently a larger problem that people like you who continue to harbor anger against teachers don’t understand the harm or role even the they are currently playing in hurting children and schools.
Using your argument the harm teachers “did” to kids was in the past. The harm you are doing is in the present and can now be changed. So do it. Be the person you expect teachers to be. Stop being angry. Help or at the very least, stop harming.
Don’t cry over spilled milk.
+1. The fact that these comments are about teachers admitting that they were wrong and not helping kids tells you what you need to know: these are tantrums and should be treated as such. I've got a kid with special needs who suffered from pandemic closures. I want to see that addressed, but the tantrum throwers aren't my allies in that and her teachers are.
The teachers that negotiated no in-person special education services during the pandemic, even after in-person classes resumed? Those aren’t the actions of allies.
DP
Where are you that this was negotiated?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Speaking of temper tantrums, how does being so angry and irate at teachers 2 years later help your child learn this year?
Is your vitriol helping children get help or is it making the situation worse?
Or are only teachers expected to put your child above their family/yourself?
Is that how you’d characterize the situation of the tens of millions of people that worked through the pandemic in public-facing and/or crowded conditions? Including the people that made sure you had food, utilities, medical services/supplies, public safety services, and countless other essential (and nonessential) goods and services?
No it is how I characterize this thread and people who are still rehashing this argument after 2 years.
There are different issues now. Are they related? Sure
If you want to help and not just spew anger then help. If not your anger is just anger and only you can change that.
Schools and teachers can help by acknowledging their past mistakes and promising to act differently in the future.
Ok we are so very very sorry. The pandemic was mishandled by school boards, the president who threw out the CDC pandemic playbook, superintendents and the NIH. Teachers taught these people and are therefore responsible for their actions. It is true, even teachers themselves made errors of judgement and wanted to work from home. In the next global emergency we will act differently. This new, improved and better plan will be based upon the needs of the pandemic of 2020, not whatever future situation the world will be facing.
Thank you for demonstrating my point. It’s a problem that teachers haven’t acknowledged the harm they did to kids through their actions. It’s not even clear many of them fully understand that harm or the role they played.
It is currently a larger problem that people like you who continue to harbor anger against teachers don’t understand the harm or role even the they are currently playing in hurting children and schools.
Using your argument the harm teachers “did” to kids was in the past. The harm you are doing is in the present and can now be changed. So do it. Be the person you expect teachers to be. Stop being angry. Help or at the very least, stop harming.
Don’t cry over spilled milk.
+1. The fact that these comments are about teachers admitting that they were wrong and not helping kids tells you what you need to know: these are tantrums and should be treated as such. I've got a kid with special needs who suffered from pandemic closures. I want to see that addressed, but the tantrum throwers aren't my allies in that and her teachers are.
The teachers that negotiated no in-person special education services during the pandemic, even after in-person classes resumed? Those aren’t the actions of allies.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Speaking of temper tantrums, how does being so angry and irate at teachers 2 years later help your child learn this year?
Is your vitriol helping children get help or is it making the situation worse?
Or are only teachers expected to put your child above their family/yourself?
Is that how you’d characterize the situation of the tens of millions of people that worked through the pandemic in public-facing and/or crowded conditions? Including the people that made sure you had food, utilities, medical services/supplies, public safety services, and countless other essential (and nonessential) goods and services?
No it is how I characterize this thread and people who are still rehashing this argument after 2 years.
There are different issues now. Are they related? Sure
If you want to help and not just spew anger then help. If not your anger is just anger and only you can change that.
Schools and teachers can help by acknowledging their past mistakes and promising to act differently in the future.
Ok we are so very very sorry. The pandemic was mishandled by school boards, the president who threw out the CDC pandemic playbook, superintendents and the NIH. Teachers taught these people and are therefore responsible for their actions. It is true, even teachers themselves made errors of judgement and wanted to work from home. In the next global emergency we will act differently. This new, improved and better plan will be based upon the needs of the pandemic of 2020, not whatever future situation the world will be facing.
Thank you for demonstrating my point. It’s a problem that teachers haven’t acknowledged the harm they did to kids through their actions. It’s not even clear many of them fully understand that harm or the role they played.
It is currently a larger problem that people like you who continue to harbor anger against teachers don’t understand the harm or role even the they are currently playing in hurting children and schools.
Using your argument the harm teachers “did” to kids was in the past. The harm you are doing is in the present and can now be changed. So do it. Be the person you expect teachers to be. Stop being angry. Help or at the very least, stop harming.
Don’t cry over spilled milk.
+1. The fact that these comments are about teachers admitting that they were wrong and not helping kids tells you what you need to know: these are tantrums and should be treated as such. I've got a kid with special needs who suffered from pandemic closures. I want to see that addressed, but the tantrum throwers aren't my allies in that and her teachers are.
The teachers that negotiated no in-person special education services during the pandemic, even after in-person classes resumed? Those aren’t the actions of allies.
Where did this happen? I work for FCPS and went back in person with students in October 2020 before anyone was vaccinated. There was no negotiation. Either you went in person or you took an unpaid LOA or resigned.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Speaking of temper tantrums, how does being so angry and irate at teachers 2 years later help your child learn this year?
Is your vitriol helping children get help or is it making the situation worse?
Or are only teachers expected to put your child above their family/yourself?
Is that how you’d characterize the situation of the tens of millions of people that worked through the pandemic in public-facing and/or crowded conditions? Including the people that made sure you had food, utilities, medical services/supplies, public safety services, and countless other essential (and nonessential) goods and services?
No it is how I characterize this thread and people who are still rehashing this argument after 2 years.
There are different issues now. Are they related? Sure
If you want to help and not just spew anger then help. If not your anger is just anger and only you can change that.
Schools and teachers can help by acknowledging their past mistakes and promising to act differently in the future.
Ok we are so very very sorry. The pandemic was mishandled by school boards, the president who threw out the CDC pandemic playbook, superintendents and the NIH. Teachers taught these people and are therefore responsible for their actions. It is true, even teachers themselves made errors of judgement and wanted to work from home. In the next global emergency we will act differently. This new, improved and better plan will be based upon the needs of the pandemic of 2020, not whatever future situation the world will be facing.
Thank you for demonstrating my point. It’s a problem that teachers haven’t acknowledged the harm they did to kids through their actions. It’s not even clear many of them fully understand that harm or the role they played.
It is currently a larger problem that people like you who continue to harbor anger against teachers don’t understand the harm or role even the they are currently playing in hurting children and schools.
Using your argument the harm teachers “did” to kids was in the past. The harm you are doing is in the present and can now be changed. So do it. Be the person you expect teachers to be. Stop being angry. Help or at the very least, stop harming.
Don’t cry over spilled milk.
+1. The fact that these comments are about teachers admitting that they were wrong and not helping kids tells you what you need to know: these are tantrums and should be treated as such. I've got a kid with special needs who suffered from pandemic closures. I want to see that addressed, but the tantrum throwers aren't my allies in that and her teachers are.
The teachers that negotiated no in-person special education services during the pandemic, even after in-person classes resumed? Those aren’t the actions of allies.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Speaking of temper tantrums, how does being so angry and irate at teachers 2 years later help your child learn this year?
Is your vitriol helping children get help or is it making the situation worse?
Or are only teachers expected to put your child above their family/yourself?
Is that how you’d characterize the situation of the tens of millions of people that worked through the pandemic in public-facing and/or crowded conditions? Including the people that made sure you had food, utilities, medical services/supplies, public safety services, and countless other essential (and nonessential) goods and services?
No it is how I characterize this thread and people who are still rehashing this argument after 2 years.
There are different issues now. Are they related? Sure
If you want to help and not just spew anger then help. If not your anger is just anger and only you can change that.
Schools and teachers can help by acknowledging their past mistakes and promising to act differently in the future.
Ok we are so very very sorry. The pandemic was mishandled by school boards, the president who threw out the CDC pandemic playbook, superintendents and the NIH. Teachers taught these people and are therefore responsible for their actions. It is true, even teachers themselves made errors of judgement and wanted to work from home. In the next global emergency we will act differently. This new, improved and better plan will be based upon the needs of the pandemic of 2020, not whatever future situation the world will be facing.
Thank you for demonstrating my point. It’s a problem that teachers haven’t acknowledged the harm they did to kids through their actions. It’s not even clear many of them fully understand that harm or the role they played.
It is currently a larger problem that people like you who continue to harbor anger against teachers don’t understand the harm or role even the they are currently playing in hurting children and schools.
Using your argument the harm teachers “did” to kids was in the past. The harm you are doing is in the present and can now be changed. So do it. Be the person you expect teachers to be. Stop being angry. Help or at the very least, stop harming.
Don’t cry over spilled milk.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Speaking of temper tantrums, how does being so angry and irate at teachers 2 years later help your child learn this year?
Is your vitriol helping children get help or is it making the situation worse?
Or are only teachers expected to put your child above their family/yourself?
Is that how you’d characterize the situation of the tens of millions of people that worked through the pandemic in public-facing and/or crowded conditions? Including the people that made sure you had food, utilities, medical services/supplies, public safety services, and countless other essential (and nonessential) goods and services?
No it is how I characterize this thread and people who are still rehashing this argument after 2 years.
There are different issues now. Are they related? Sure
If you want to help and not just spew anger then help. If not your anger is just anger and only you can change that.
Schools and teachers can help by acknowledging their past mistakes and promising to act differently in the future.
Ok we are so very very sorry. The pandemic was mishandled by school boards, the president who threw out the CDC pandemic playbook, superintendents and the NIH. Teachers taught these people and are therefore responsible for their actions. It is true, even teachers themselves made errors of judgement and wanted to work from home. In the next global emergency we will act differently. This new, improved and better plan will be based upon the needs of the pandemic of 2020, not whatever future situation the world will be facing.
Thank you for demonstrating my point. It’s a problem that teachers haven’t acknowledged the harm they did to kids through their actions. It’s not even clear many of them fully understand that harm or the role they played.
It is currently a larger problem that people like you who continue to harbor anger against teachers don’t understand the harm or role even the they are currently playing in hurting children and schools.
Using your argument the harm teachers “did” to kids was in the past. The harm you are doing is in the present and can now be changed. So do it. Be the person you expect teachers to be. Stop being angry. Help or at the very least, stop harming.
Don’t cry over spilled milk.
+1. The fact that these comments are about teachers admitting that they were wrong and not helping kids tells you what you need to know: these are tantrums and should be treated as such. I've got a kid with special needs who suffered from pandemic closures. I want to see that addressed, but the tantrum throwers aren't my allies in that and her teachers are.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Speaking of temper tantrums, how does being so angry and irate at teachers 2 years later help your child learn this year?
Is your vitriol helping children get help or is it making the situation worse?
Or are only teachers expected to put your child above their family/yourself?
Is that how you’d characterize the situation of the tens of millions of people that worked through the pandemic in public-facing and/or crowded conditions? Including the people that made sure you had food, utilities, medical services/supplies, public safety services, and countless other essential (and nonessential) goods and services?
No it is how I characterize this thread and people who are still rehashing this argument after 2 years.
There are different issues now. Are they related? Sure
If you want to help and not just spew anger then help. If not your anger is just anger and only you can change that.
Schools and teachers can help by acknowledging their past mistakes and promising to act differently in the future.
Ok we are so very very sorry. The pandemic was mishandled by school boards, the president who threw out the CDC pandemic playbook, superintendents and the NIH. Teachers taught these people and are therefore responsible for their actions. It is true, even teachers themselves made errors of judgement and wanted to work from home. In the next global emergency we will act differently. This new, improved and better plan will be based upon the needs of the pandemic of 2020, not whatever future situation the world will be facing.
Thank you for demonstrating my point. It’s a problem that teachers haven’t acknowledged the harm they did to kids through their actions. It’s not even clear many of them fully understand that harm or the role they played.
It is currently a larger problem that people like you who continue to harbor anger against teachers don’t understand the harm or role even the they are currently playing in hurting children and schools.
Using your argument the harm teachers “did” to kids was in the past. The harm you are doing is in the present and can now be changed. So do it. Be the person you expect teachers to be. Stop being angry. Help or at the very least, stop harming.
Don’t cry over spilled milk.
Anonymous wrote:School boards and health officials kept schools closed. Teachers don’t have that kind of power. The only influence teachers had is that many would probably have quit or retired if asked to come back. I would bet at least 5 to 10% would have. Even schools that did reopen in hybrid had very few kids come to school in person. So, again teachers had little influence on any of these decisions. Weird that people think we have that kind of power.
Anonymous wrote:One of the issues with all of this teacher blaming was that in many areas of the country, teachers were back teaching in person fall of 2020. Yet somehow they are still the target of crazy levels of parental angst.
DH was an experienced teacher who retired a few years earlier than originally intended due to how unpleasant everything outside the actual classroom was. And he was not the type of teacher anyone would have wanted to retire early—students from years past made a habit of visiting him as adults as they enjoyed his class so much.
I agree with others who suggest fomenting ongoing parental ire is part of a larger goal to destabilize public education. Add the book banning campaigns we are seeing in both school and public libraries to that larger goal as well.
If you are still so angry about what happened in the pandemic that you can’t see this, try taking a deep breath and a few steps back to see what is happening across the country, even in places where kids were in school almost the whole time.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Speaking of temper tantrums, how does being so angry and irate at teachers 2 years later help your child learn this year?
Is your vitriol helping children get help or is it making the situation worse?
Or are only teachers expected to put your child above their family/yourself?
Is that how you’d characterize the situation of the tens of millions of people that worked through the pandemic in public-facing and/or crowded conditions? Including the people that made sure you had food, utilities, medical services/supplies, public safety services, and countless other essential (and nonessential) goods and services?
No it is how I characterize this thread and people who are still rehashing this argument after 2 years.
There are different issues now. Are they related? Sure
If you want to help and not just spew anger then help. If not your anger is just anger and only you can change that.
Schools and teachers can help by acknowledging their past mistakes and promising to act differently in the future.
Ok we are so very very sorry. The pandemic was mishandled by school boards, the president who threw out the CDC pandemic playbook, superintendents and the NIH. Teachers taught these people and are therefore responsible for their actions. It is true, even teachers themselves made errors of judgement and wanted to work from home. In the next global emergency we will act differently. This new, improved and better plan will be based upon the needs of the pandemic of 2020, not whatever future situation the world will be facing.
Thank you for demonstrating my point. It’s a problem that teachers haven’t acknowledged the harm they did to kids through their actions. It’s not even clear many of them fully understand that harm or the role they played.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Speaking of temper tantrums, how does being so angry and irate at teachers 2 years later help your child learn this year?
Is your vitriol helping children get help or is it making the situation worse?
Or are only teachers expected to put your child above their family/yourself?
Is that how you’d characterize the situation of the tens of millions of people that worked through the pandemic in public-facing and/or crowded conditions? Including the people that made sure you had food, utilities, medical services/supplies, public safety services, and countless other essential (and nonessential) goods and services?
No it is how I characterize this thread and people who are still rehashing this argument after 2 years.
There are different issues now. Are they related? Sure
If you want to help and not just spew anger then help. If not your anger is just anger and only you can change that.
Schools and teachers can help by acknowledging their past mistakes and promising to act differently in the future.
In the summer of 2020 my district (Fairfax County) surveyed teachers to see if we were willing to teach in person. DW and I, both ES, responded in the affirmative. We were definitely ready to start the school year in person. By the start of school the school board decided we would all be virtual. I think they tried to please everyone and just couldn’t make it work, so in my mind we were essentially locked out. We both went into the building to teach online, as did many others, but it was not a good situation.
I have no apologies to make.
What was the academic benefit of going into the school building to teach online? Or did you have issues with self-discipline or childcare? Otherwise, it’s about the optics or virtual signaling with zero actual benefit to the students.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Speaking of temper tantrums, how does being so angry and irate at teachers 2 years later help your child learn this year?
Is your vitriol helping children get help or is it making the situation worse?
Or are only teachers expected to put your child above their family/yourself?
Is that how you’d characterize the situation of the tens of millions of people that worked through the pandemic in public-facing and/or crowded conditions? Including the people that made sure you had food, utilities, medical services/supplies, public safety services, and countless other essential (and nonessential) goods and services?
No it is how I characterize this thread and people who are still rehashing this argument after 2 years.
There are different issues now. Are they related? Sure
If you want to help and not just spew anger then help. If not your anger is just anger and only you can change that.
Schools and teachers can help by acknowledging their past mistakes and promising to act differently in the future.
Ok we are so very very sorry. The pandemic was mishandled by school boards, the president who threw out the CDC pandemic playbook, superintendents and the NIH. Teachers taught these people and are therefore responsible for their actions. It is true, even teachers themselves made errors of judgement and wanted to work from home. In the next global emergency we will act differently. This new, improved and better plan will be based upon the needs of the pandemic of 2020, not whatever future situation the world will be facing.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Speaking of temper tantrums, how does being so angry and irate at teachers 2 years later help your child learn this year?
Is your vitriol helping children get help or is it making the situation worse?
Or are only teachers expected to put your child above their family/yourself?
Is that how you’d characterize the situation of the tens of millions of people that worked through the pandemic in public-facing and/or crowded conditions? Including the people that made sure you had food, utilities, medical services/supplies, public safety services, and countless other essential (and nonessential) goods and services?
No it is how I characterize this thread and people who are still rehashing this argument after 2 years.
There are different issues now. Are they related? Sure
If you want to help and not just spew anger then help. If not your anger is just anger and only you can change that.
Schools and teachers can help by acknowledging their past mistakes and promising to act differently in the future.
In the summer of 2020 my district (Fairfax County) surveyed teachers to see if we were willing to teach in person. DW and I, both ES, responded in the affirmative. We were definitely ready to start the school year in person. By the start of school the school board decided we would all be virtual. I think they tried to please everyone and just couldn’t make it work, so in my mind we were essentially locked out. We both went into the building to teach online, as did many others, but it was not a good situation.
I have no apologies to make.
What was the academic benefit of going into the school building to teach online? Or did you have issues with self-discipline or childcare? Otherwise, it’s about the optics or virtual signaling with zero actual benefit to the students.