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Anonymous wrote:Dc is releasing murderers after 10 years. Thry should be serving life

Oh my goodness, that sounds terrible. I'd love to learn more. Can you please share some examples or newspaper articles of even a shred of evidence that this is true and not something you made up?

they passed a law a few years ago that allows release after 10 years if they committed their crime if they were younger than 25. It was all over the news

Yes, it's 15 years, not 10. And it merely allows for individuals to petition for release. A judge ultimately makes the determination based on 11 statutory criteria. Some end up released, some do not.

And, most importantly, after five years, only seven people (or 5.6%) have been re-arrested and are awaiting a court proceeding.

you understand only a tiny minority of dc violent crimes actually have an arrest let alone a conviction right?

So working on things that reduce crime without telling on arrest/conviction would be even more of a benefit?

decriminalizing things doesn’t lower crime it just makes fewer things crime . One day shoplifting will be legal in dc.

What about decreasing poverty?

Those two overlap also. There are many laws targeted at criminalizing aspects of poverty that just don't need to be crimes.

my dad grew up dirt poor and before there were generous welfare benefits. He worked hard to support his parents and to get into college. He wasn’t carjacking people

My boyfriend also grew up dirt poor. His family's home did not have indoor plumbing until he was going into 10th grade. The house was also
not insulated well and winters were very, very very cold. His family was not carjacking people nor were they shoplifting.

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Anonymous wrote:Longer sentences are proven not to be a deterrent. Instead, what deters criminals is the likelihood that they will be caught and prosecuted. In DC, the latter isn't happening much, and the criminal code revisions do nothing to address this. Nothing is going to change unless/until the DCAO/USAG offices actually start prosecuting crimes instead of relentlessly pleading everything down to minor misdemeanors or tossing cases entirely because they might actually require some effort.

you can’t get convictions in dc because the community refuses to cooperate even in capturing a suspect let alone as witnesses

These posts overlook the fact that prosecutors often can't bring cases because the MPD witnesses have credibility issues. More attention needs to be paid to MPD.

There’s a whole agency dedicated to overseeing the police.

Now do the prosecutors and the courts.

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Anonymous wrote:Longer sentences are proven not to be a deterrent. Instead, what deters criminals is the likelihood that they will be caught and prosecuted. In DC, the latter isn't happening much, and the criminal code revisions do nothing to address this. Nothing is going to change unless/until the DCAO/USAG offices actually start prosecuting crimes instead of relentlessly pleading everything down to minor misdemeanors or tossing cases entirely because they might actually require some effort.

you can’t get convictions in dc because the community refuses to cooperate even in capturing a suspect let alone as witnesses

These posts overlook the fact that prosecutors often can't bring cases because the MPD witnesses have credibility issues. More attention needs to be paid to MPD.

Anonymous wrote:Longer sentences are proven not to be a deterrent. Instead, what deters criminals is the likelihood that they will be caught and prosecuted. In DC, the latter isn't happening much, and the criminal code revisions do nothing to address this. Nothing is going to change unless/until the DCAO/USAG offices actually start prosecuting crimes instead of relentlessly pleading everything down to minor misdemeanors or tossing cases entirely because they might actually require some effort.

you can’t get convictions in dc because the community refuses to cooperate even in capturing a suspect let alone as witnesses

Anyone recall the murder of Aryeh wolf in dc a few months ago ? Police know exactly who the suspect is, but nobody is cooperating to provide tips or any information. He’s probably still in dc.

Anonymous wrote:Longer sentences are proven not to be a deterrent. Instead, what deters criminals is the likelihood that they will be caught and prosecuted. In DC, the latter isn't happening much, and the criminal code revisions do nothing to address this. Nothing is going to change unless/until the DCAO/USAG offices actually start prosecuting crimes instead of relentlessly pleading everything down to minor misdemeanors or tossing cases entirely because they might actually require some effort.

Recidivism is real. Longer sentences means a longer timeframe where a criminal can't reoffend.

Here’s a solution: finish high school, learn a trade and don’t have a kid w/o a spouse who has also finished high school and has job skills. A radical thought, I know.

Longer sentences are proven not to be a deterrent. Instead, what deters criminals is the likelihood that they will be caught and prosecuted. In DC, the latter isn't happening much, and the criminal code revisions do nothing to address this. Nothing is going to change unless/until the DCAO/USAG offices actually start prosecuting crimes instead of relentlessly pleading everything down to minor misdemeanors or tossing cases entirely because they might actually require some effort.

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Anonymous wrote:RIP DC property values.. say hello to the 90s all over again.

So.much.progress.

Funny, in the 90's we had the current criminal code.

And the reduction of crime occurred under the current code as well.

So maybe that has nothing to do with crime? What other variables are there, hmm. The economy? Opportunities? Less lead?

More incarceration. When in jail, people cannot commit further crimes in the community. It’s the only thing that works. Less incarceration equals more crime, and while there remains an argument for less incarceration, I wish advocates would stop gaslighting people about it and acknowledge the trade-off.

It does seem like a fix although you have to admit it's short term, doesn't address the underlying issues, and doesn't solve anything big picture. Do you have any evidence that at the macro scale we can incarcerate out way into reduced crime?

What about when the person is eventually released? Will they have the ability to afford food/clothing/shelter or is their only real opportunity to survive to try crime again?

What is the impact on others? Does it mean kids raised without a parent? If that was their only parent what will it do to put them through the foster system? Will they be more likely to follow the same path?

Do you distinguish between violent crime where we need to protect people from being harmed vs nonviolent?

What's the cost to us as a society to pay for prisons (we have a lot more than the most of the world) versus alleviating poverty?

It doesn’t have to be short term, if you look at recidivism rates, older men released from prison have much lower recidivism rates than younger men. That’s pretty good evidence that incarceration can in fact succeed in reducing crime rates. The evidence that incarceration reduces crime “at the macro scale”—leaving aside the self-evident proposition that incarceration prevents criminals from reoffending while they are incarcerated—can be seen in the drop in crime rates from highs in the early 1990s: mass incarceration is how we put a stop to that.

The idea that addressing the so-called root causes will actually reduce crime is a canard. Do you have any evidence that such an approach will actually work?Most offenders are not Jean Valjean stealing a loaf of bread to eat. The other points you raise are legitimate arguments against incarceration, which I disagree with but which are defensible in principle. But discussions of those points need to acknowledge the reality that reducing incarceration will result in crimes being committed, and real people being victimized, that would otherwise not have happened. It’s principled to accept that, bite the bullet, and say it’s worth it. But the intellectual dishonesty/gaslighting by the anti-carceral pressure groups is absurd.

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Anonymous wrote:Dc is releasing murderers after 10 years. Thry should be serving life

Oh my goodness, that sounds terrible. I'd love to learn more. Can you please share some examples or newspaper articles of even a shred of evidence that this is true and not something you made up?

they passed a law a few years ago that allows release after 10 years if they committed their crime if they were younger than 25. It was all over the news

Yes, it's 15 years, not 10. And it merely allows for individuals to petition for release. A judge ultimately makes the determination based on 11 statutory criteria. Some end up released, some do not.

And, most importantly, after five years, only seven people (or 5.6%) have been re-arrested and are awaiting a court proceeding.

you understand only a tiny minority of dc violent crimes actually have an arrest let alone a conviction right?

So working on things that reduce crime without telling on arrest/conviction would be even more of a benefit?

decriminalizing things doesn’t lower crime it just makes fewer things crime . One day shoplifting will be legal in dc.

What about decreasing poverty?

Those two overlap also. There are many laws targeted at criminalizing aspects of poverty that just don't need to be crimes.

my dad grew up dirt poor and before there were generous welfare benefits. He worked hard to support his parents and to get into college. He wasn’t carjacking people

I think other people should have the opportunities that your dad did. Sound fair?

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Anonymous wrote:Dc is releasing murderers after 10 years. Thry should be serving life

Oh my goodness, that sounds terrible. I'd love to learn more. Can you please share some examples or newspaper articles of even a shred of evidence that this is true and not something you made up?

they passed a law a few years ago that allows release after 10 years if they committed their crime if they were younger than 25. It was all over the news

Yes, it's 15 years, not 10. And it merely allows for individuals to petition for release. A judge ultimately makes the determination based on 11 statutory criteria. Some end up released, some do not.

And, most importantly, after five years, only seven people (or 5.6%) have been re-arrested and are awaiting a court proceeding.

you understand only a tiny minority of dc violent crimes actually have an arrest let alone a conviction right?

So working on things that reduce crime without telling on arrest/conviction would be even more of a benefit?

decriminalizing things doesn’t lower crime it just makes fewer things crime . One day shoplifting will be legal in dc.

What about decreasing poverty?

Those two overlap also. There are many laws targeted at criminalizing aspects of poverty that just don't need to be crimes.

my dad grew up dirt poor and before there were generous welfare benefits. He worked hard to support his parents and to get into college. He wasn’t carjacking people

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Anonymous wrote:Dc is releasing murderers after 10 years. Thry should be serving life

Oh my goodness, that sounds terrible. I'd love to learn more. Can you please share some examples or newspaper articles of even a shred of evidence that this is true and not something you made up?

they passed a law a few years ago that allows release after 10 years if they committed their crime if they were younger than 25. It was all over the news

Yes, it's 15 years, not 10. And it merely allows for individuals to petition for release. A judge ultimately makes the determination based on 11 statutory criteria. Some end up released, some do not.

And, most importantly, after five years, only seven people (or 5.6%) have been re-arrested and are awaiting a court proceeding.

you understand only a tiny minority of dc violent crimes actually have an arrest let alone a conviction right?

So working on things that reduce crime without telling on arrest/conviction would be even more of a benefit?

decriminalizing things doesn’t lower crime it just makes fewer things crime . One day shoplifting will be legal in dc.

What about decreasing poverty?

Those two overlap also. There are many laws targeted at criminalizing aspects of poverty that just don't need to be crimes.

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Anonymous wrote:Dc is releasing murderers after 10 years. Thry should be serving life

Oh my goodness, that sounds terrible. I'd love to learn more. Can you please share some examples or newspaper articles of even a shred of evidence that this is true and not something you made up?

they passed a law a few years ago that allows release after 10 years if they committed their crime if they were younger than 25. It was all over the news

Yes, it's 15 years, not 10. And it merely allows for individuals to petition for release. A judge ultimately makes the determination based on 11 statutory criteria. Some end up released, some do not.

And, most importantly, after five years, only seven people (or 5.6%) have been re-arrested and are awaiting a court proceeding.

you understand only a tiny minority of dc violent crimes actually have an arrest let alone a conviction right?

So working on things that reduce crime without telling on arrest/conviction would be even more of a benefit?

decriminalizing things doesn’t lower crime it just makes fewer things crime . One day shoplifting will be legal in dc.

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Anonymous wrote:Dc is releasing murderers after 10 years. Thry should be serving life

Oh my goodness, that sounds terrible. I'd love to learn more. Can you please share some examples or newspaper articles of even a shred of evidence that this is true and not something you made up?

they passed a law a few years ago that allows release after 10 years if they committed their crime if they were younger than 25. It was all over the news

Yes, it's 15 years, not 10. And it merely allows for individuals to petition for release. A judge ultimately makes the determination based on 11 statutory criteria. Some end up released, some do not.

And, most importantly, after five years, only seven people (or 5.6%) have been re-arrested and are awaiting a court proceeding.

you understand only a tiny minority of dc violent crimes actually have an arrest let alone a conviction right?

So working on things that reduce crime without telling on arrest/conviction would be even more of a benefit?