Anonymous
11/16/2022 13:18
Subject: Are there neighborhoods that you believe will spiral in the next ten or twenty years?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Arlington is on downslope
I agree with you. There are too many people pushing too many things so that nothing is getting done. Plan Langston Blvd has been pushed aside for Missing Middle Housing which will have limited benefit. Meanwhile, every corridor is being stuffed with dense housing and CAFs. We are waiting for our twins to finish fifth grade at one of the elementary schools and then are moving to McLean. You get more land and house for the money and it is just a nicer group of people. We also have the option of getting kids into TJ and better middle and high school classes.
Arlington fell for the Amazon deal hook, line, and sinker and now Amazon is laying off people, not sending its top earners to the area, and probably will have a different business model by the time Virginia Tech and George Mason produce all the new grads who are slotted to work for Amazon. The loss of the commercial and hotel tax base is also showing up in higher property taxes.
As someone who grew up in McLean and now lives in Arlington, DISAGREE. McLean is not somewhere I’d want to live now.
Why not? Genuinely curious. Actually, selfishly asking so I feel better not living there.
It's become home to the Uber Rich, mainly. The upper middle class friends I have living there all moved into their parent's houses. The other poster who talked about how car dependent it is has a good point too. It's the lack of economic diversity that seals it for me. I will also say, I don't live in North Arlington either, where I think some of the same complaints can be made. I really love and value living in a diverse place, racially and economically. On my street we have a family who all works at a fast food restaurant, several houses with teachers, some first responders, and someone high up in government who has their own security. It's an incredible mix that's hard to find elsewhere.
South Arlington isn’t that different than Annandale, Springfield, Wheaton, Woodbridge, or parts of Silver Spring and NE DC.
Just say “it’s not an enclave of white people” already.
But didn’t you know how similar Wheaton and NE DC are to…Woodbridge?!
Anonymous
11/16/2022 13:06
Subject: Are there neighborhoods that you believe will spiral in the next ten or twenty years?
Anonymous wrote:I have a lot of issues with the DC area generally, but a downward spiral? People have named just about every neighborhood and town. Yet property values and income are continually going up. I mean, if you are looking at Great Schools rating to argue that MoCo is tanking, then I don't know what to say to you. And McLean? Arlington? That's crazy.
People saying this must not have lived in any areas that have truly tanked. I think there is a far greater chance of Baltimore collapsing than anywhere in the DC area.
I think so much of the feelings here are from the constant drum beat of negative news in the press and, especially, on social media.
Someone will always live there, in a neighborhood good or bad, but planning ahead is also important if you are looking for a forever home.
Example: SE DC used to be farmland. Look at it now. I was born and raised there, it was tough but the people who bought in the 50s and 60s didn’t anticipate it going down as far as it did. I do believe it’s rising back up but nonetheless, make life easier for yourself with todays technology and data to foresee what you can.
Anonymous
11/16/2022 13:04
Subject: Re:Are there neighborhoods that you believe will spiral in the next ten or twenty years?
Anonymous wrote:In NoVa, if you look at areas that spiraled over a 10-20 year period, it's been areas like Herndon with housing that wasn't great to begin with. So I'd say the areas at most risk would be areas with a lot of multi-family housing like Centreville that could decline if the Asian population moved further west or an area like West Springfield that already has less expensive single-family homes. Or maybe the cheapest parts of Ashburn that are starting to show their age.
A bad commute is the biggest red flag. That's what killed Woodbridge. If the commute is reasonable, old housing stock is torn down
Anonymous
11/16/2022 13:02
Subject: Re:Are there neighborhoods that you believe will spiral in the next ten or twenty years?
In NoVa, if you look at areas that spiraled over a 10-20 year period, it's been areas like Herndon with housing that wasn't great to begin with. So I'd say the areas at most risk would be areas with a lot of multi-family housing like Centreville that could decline if the Asian population moved further west or an area like West Springfield that already has less expensive single-family homes. Or maybe the cheapest parts of Ashburn that are starting to show their age.
Anonymous
11/16/2022 12:59
Subject: Are there neighborhoods that you believe will spiral in the next ten or twenty years?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Arlington is on downslope
I agree with you. There are too many people pushing too many things so that nothing is getting done. Plan Langston Blvd has been pushed aside for Missing Middle Housing which will have limited benefit. Meanwhile, every corridor is being stuffed with dense housing and CAFs. We are waiting for our twins to finish fifth grade at one of the elementary schools and then are moving to McLean. You get more land and house for the money and it is just a nicer group of people. We also have the option of getting kids into TJ and better middle and high school classes.
Arlington fell for the Amazon deal hook, line, and sinker and now Amazon is laying off people, not sending its top earners to the area, and probably will have a different business model by the time Virginia Tech and George Mason produce all the new grads who are slotted to work for Amazon. The loss of the commercial and hotel tax base is also showing up in higher property taxes.
As someone who grew up in McLean and now lives in Arlington, DISAGREE. McLean is not somewhere I’d want to live now.
Why not? Genuinely curious. Actually, selfishly asking so I feel better not living there.
It's become home to the Uber Rich, mainly. The upper middle class friends I have living there all moved into their parent's houses. The other poster who talked about how car dependent it is has a good point too. It's the lack of economic diversity that seals it for me. I will also say, I don't live in North Arlington either, where I think some of the same complaints can be made. I really love and value living in a diverse place, racially and economically. On my street we have a family who all works at a fast food restaurant, several houses with teachers, some first responders, and someone high up in government who has their own security. It's an incredible mix that's hard to find elsewhere.
South Arlington isn’t that different than Annandale, Springfield, Wheaton, Woodbridge, or parts of Silver Spring and NE DC.
Just say “it’s not an enclave of white people” already.
Anonymous
11/16/2022 12:56
Subject: Are there neighborhoods that you believe will spiral in the next ten or twenty years?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What will happen to Loudoun County now that Silver Line is open? Will it decline? Asking as someone who lived there for 5 years, moved to DC, and would return but was diagnosed with MS and like the ease of access but appreciated the quiet.
LOL - why would the Metro cause a spiral in Loudon County - that doesn't even make sense. The stations are basically brownfield locations right now anyhow.
Are you one of these insecure suburbanites who think public transit brings crime?
NP I think Loudoun will have some issues when people are called back to the office. A lot of people bought there assuming perpetual WFH
Umm people were moving to Loudoun pre-pandemic. Many jobs are out that way.
Anonymous
11/16/2022 12:00
Subject: Are there neighborhoods that you believe will spiral in the next ten or twenty years?
My block in Potomac had zero sales since 2019. And since I moved on block in 2017 the 3 sales had two estate sales and third moved to a nearby new town home as wife in a wheel chair now.
I don’t see how a quick downward spiral works. Two neighbors by house moved in back in 1970s.
We don’t get much turnover. I am zoned Churchill. And my last new neighbor if from Potomac. She wa me in Outer Potomac
I don’t see how a quick downward spiral works. Two neighbors by house moved in back in 1970s.
We don’t get much turnover. I am zoned Churchill. And my last new neighbor if from Potomac. She wa me in Outer Potomac
Anonymous
11/16/2022 11:36
Subject: Are there neighborhoods that you believe will spiral in the next ten or twenty years?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hoping not Silver Spring because we recently moved here. But the crime in downtown has given me some pause.
There's always been crime there. I don't think it's gotten worse than anywhere else
Please reach out to Jawando and other reps. The Council is budgeting now and they have not identified public safety as a priority.
Yet they shame the police force. Signaling won’t work to stop a mugging…
I’m really tired of so many blatant lies from conservatives on this site. Let me share the facts:
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Holistic approach to public safety results in success over summer
It’s been a team effort this summer to keep crime in check. Our police, health and human services and recreation departments deserve thanks along with our Regional Service Centers for their efforts to address crime and violence. Although we sadly had a homicide in Rockville over the holiday weekend, it was the first homicide since June and only the second in nearly four months. Additionally, there have been no homicides in the Silver Spring district this year after a major emphasis on public safety in the area that started last fall…..
… Additionally, our new police recruit class started last week with 30 cadets. Our last recruit class was only 18 so it appears we are already seeing the positive impacts from our pay increases for officers. It is imperative that we continue to improve MCPD staffing as well as continue our partnerships and collaborations with residents, communities, and our non-profit and faith communities. By working together, we will continue to improve public safety in Montgomery County.
https://mocoshow.com/blog/weekly-message-from-the-county-executive-marc-elrich-27/
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So contrary to the misinformation in this thread, Elrich has actually increased police hiring and given them a raise! How exactly is expanding the police force and paying them more “shaming” them?
Rockville has more murders than Silver Spring but you wouldn’t know that from how people always disparage SS as “declining”. SMH
Anonymous
11/16/2022 11:33
Subject: Are there neighborhoods that you believe will spiral in the next ten or twenty years?
Anonymous wrote:I'd say Alexandria but it's already a barrel scrape. Schools in perpetual decline, horrible transportation, shrinking job base. There are basically no jobs in the west end and no respectable company is willing to put their headquarters in the City. Even old associations and nonprofits are leaving old town and their offices converted to apartments condos. Don't forget all the crime.
It's going to become a bedroom community of Tysons and Reston pretty soon.
That's a sign of advancement, not decline. I don't like Old Town Alexandria, but it is booming these days, at least in terms of property values and night life.
Anonymous
11/16/2022 11:32
Subject: Are there neighborhoods that you believe will spiral in the next ten or twenty years?
I have a lot of issues with the DC area generally, but a downward spiral? People have named just about every neighborhood and town. Yet property values and income are continually going up. I mean, if you are looking at Great Schools rating to argue that MoCo is tanking, then I don't know what to say to you. And McLean? Arlington? That's crazy.
People saying this must not have lived in any areas that have truly tanked. I think there is a far greater chance of Baltimore collapsing than anywhere in the DC area.
I think so much of the feelings here are from the constant drum beat of negative news in the press and, especially, on social media.
People saying this must not have lived in any areas that have truly tanked. I think there is a far greater chance of Baltimore collapsing than anywhere in the DC area.
I think so much of the feelings here are from the constant drum beat of negative news in the press and, especially, on social media.
Anonymous
11/16/2022 11:29
Subject: Are there neighborhoods that you believe will spiral in the next ten or twenty years?
I'd say Alexandria but it's already a barrel scrape. Schools in perpetual decline, horrible transportation, shrinking job base. There are basically no jobs in the west end and no respectable company is willing to put their headquarters in the City. Even old associations and nonprofits are leaving old town and their offices converted to apartments condos. Don't forget all the crime.
It's going to become a bedroom community of Tysons and Reston pretty soon.
It's going to become a bedroom community of Tysons and Reston pretty soon.
Anonymous
11/16/2022 11:23
Subject: Are there neighborhoods that you believe will spiral in the next ten or twenty years?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hoping not Silver Spring because we recently moved here. But the crime in downtown has given me some pause.
There's always been crime there. I don't think it's gotten worse than anywhere else
Please reach out to Jawando and other reps. The Council is budgeting now and they have not identified public safety as a priority.
Yet they shame the police force. Signaling won’t work to stop a mugging…
Where, specifically do you feel unsafe? I don’t see it myself. Are you hanging around DTSS at 2 am because otherwise I really don’t understand your feelings.
Anonymous
11/16/2022 11:10
Subject: Are there neighborhoods that you believe will spiral in the next ten or twenty years?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hoping not Silver Spring because we recently moved here. But the crime in downtown has given me some pause.
There's always been crime there. I don't think it's gotten worse than anywhere else
Please reach out to Jawando and other reps. The Council is budgeting now and they have not identified public safety as a priority.
Yet they shame the police force. Signaling won’t work to stop a mugging…
Anonymous
11/16/2022 11:04
Subject: Re:Are there neighborhoods that you believe will spiral in the next ten or twenty years?
Disagree about Arlington. It's not going to decline, it's too close to DC/government, etc.
Anonymous
11/16/2022 10:57
Subject: Are there neighborhoods that you believe will spiral in the next ten or twenty years?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP - my random thoughtsAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Arlington is on downslope
I agree with you. There are too many people pushing too many things so that nothing is getting done. Plan Langston Blvd has been pushed aside for Missing Middle Housing which will have limited benefit. Meanwhile, every corridor is being stuffed with dense housing and CAFs. We are waiting for our twins to finish fifth grade at one of the elementary schools and then are moving to McLean. You get more land and house for the money and it is just a nicer group of people. We also have the option of getting kids into TJ and better middle and high school classes.
Arlington fell for the Amazon deal hook, line, and sinker and now Amazon is laying off people, not sending its top earners to the area, and probably will have a different business model by the time Virginia Tech and George Mason produce all the new grads who are slotted to work for Amazon. The loss of the commercial and hotel tax base is also showing up in higher property taxes.
As someone who grew up in McLean and now lives in Arlington, DISAGREE. McLean is not somewhere I’d want to live now.
Why not? Genuinely curious. Actually, selfishly asking so I feel better not living there.
I have lived here for 25+ years. I live in the El Nido neighborhood that matriculates to Chesterbrook. Schools were fine (if you have a hard to teach child it is hard work to get them what they need)- we had the best experience at the HS and my children were extremely well prepared for college- especially in math and science. Commute options are great. The traffic is starting to build again. The tear downs are getting silly- they are now around the $3m and up and are larger and larger. The teardown houses are now $1.4. Personally, I like a medium sized well designed house (2000-3000sqft). When my children went through the school system, it was dual income couples that worked for the government or similar, lawyers, and a few doctors and dentists. There were plenty of families that had one spouse who worked part time. Now the government and similar couples are priced out - I expect it has changed the nature of the schools. People always complain about class sizes and they have always been too large. In ES, my children’s ranged from 25 in the good years to 34 ( worst year ).
We have a few restaurants we like, but could use a few more as long as they are not pizza places. I like that we have a few walks that get us to trails in the “forest” along Pimmit Run. Old Chesterbrook needs to have sidewalks added between Birch and the bridge over Pimmit Run.
There is an area that matriculates to Kent Garden, Longfellow and McLean that is walking to all three and is walking to downtown McLean. I think that would also be a great place to be. Kent Gardens is more crowded than Chesterbrook, though.
Some neighborhoods have the occasional block party, others have nothing. It mainly depends on if there is an organizer in the neighborhood and that changes from time to time.
Which neighborhoods are “an area that matriculates to Kent Garden, Longfellow and McLean that is walking to all three and is walking to downtown McLean”?
I'd assume the areas off Westmoreland about halfway between Chain Bridge and Kirby fit that description.