Anonymous wrote:Can they stop it with that ridiculous iPad tipping shaming now?

+1000. Don’t spin the pad at me for counter service.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a thought experiment:

Imagine that restaurant workers were paid like other retail workers: a mixture of salary, hourly and commission, depending on the business. Employers set their wages and reward them for good service and punish them for bad service. Worker pay is just part of the price of goods and services.

Then imagine that someone says, "Here's an idea. Let's reduce prices by 15-20%, and instead let customers decide how much they think the employee deserves and add that to their bill." Would anyone think that was a good idea?

Ridiculous
Your waiters salary would depend on how busy the restaurant is and on what the customer orders
Someone who orders soup and water is as much work as someone who orders steak

But if that’s true then why does it make sense for the waiter get a much bigger tip for the steak order?

Someone who orders steak has more disposable income than someone who orders soup and water.

Socialist!

And not true.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a thought experiment:

Imagine that restaurant workers were paid like other retail workers: a mixture of salary, hourly and commission, depending on the business. Employers set their wages and reward them for good service and punish them for bad service. Worker pay is just part of the price of goods and services.

Then imagine that someone says, "Here's an idea. Let's reduce prices by 15-20%, and instead let customers decide how much they think the employee deserves and add that to their bill." Would anyone think that was a good idea?

Ridiculous
Your waiters salary would depend on how busy the restaurant is and on what the customer orders
Someone who orders soup and water is as much work as someone who orders steak

But if that’s true then why does it make sense for the waiter get a much bigger tip for the steak order?

Someone who orders steak has more disposable income than someone who orders soup and water.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a thought experiment:

Imagine that restaurant workers were paid like other retail workers: a mixture of salary, hourly and commission, depending on the business. Employers set their wages and reward them for good service and punish them for bad service. Worker pay is just part of the price of goods and services.

Then imagine that someone says, "Here's an idea. Let's reduce prices by 15-20%, and instead let customers decide how much they think the employee deserves and add that to their bill." Would anyone think that was a good idea?

Ridiculous
Your waiters salary would depend on how busy the restaurant is and on what the customer orders
Someone who orders soup and water is as much work as someone who orders steak

But if that’s true then why does it make sense for the waiter get a much bigger tip for the steak order?

Pressed submit too soon. This is exactly what happens now - your waiters’s salary depends on how busy the restaurant is and what people order. That is the crazy part.

To be fair, that happens to commissioned sales-people now. Their commissions are determined in large part by how well the thing they are selling is selling, and only in part by how good a job they do at selling it. And part of their job is dealing with the pain-in-the-ass sales that end up making them not very much money.

Waitstaff are in part salespeople. Their job is to sell diners on that scrumptious dessert, the soup of the day or that second glass of wine. I have no problem with them being commissioned. What is whacked is that instead of the commission rate being negotiated between the employer and the employee, it's set unilaterally by the customer.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a thought experiment:

Imagine that restaurant workers were paid like other retail workers: a mixture of salary, hourly and commission, depending on the business. Employers set their wages and reward them for good service and punish them for bad service. Worker pay is just part of the price of goods and services.

Then imagine that someone says, "Here's an idea. Let's reduce prices by 15-20%, and instead let customers decide how much they think the employee deserves and add that to their bill." Would anyone think that was a good idea?

Ridiculous
Your waiters salary would depend on how busy the restaurant is and on what the customer orders
Someone who orders soup and water is as much work as someone who orders steak

But if that’s true then why does it make sense for the waiter get a much bigger tip for the steak order?

Pressed submit too soon. This is exactly what happens now - your waiters’s salary depends on how busy the restaurant is and what people order. That is the crazy part.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a thought experiment:

Imagine that restaurant workers were paid like other retail workers: a mixture of salary, hourly and commission, depending on the business. Employers set their wages and reward them for good service and punish them for bad service. Worker pay is just part of the price of goods and services.

Then imagine that someone says, "Here's an idea. Let's reduce prices by 15-20%, and instead let customers decide how much they think the employee deserves and add that to their bill." Would anyone think that was a good idea?

Ridiculous
Your waiters salary would depend on how busy the restaurant is and on what the customer orders
Someone who orders soup and water is as much work as someone who orders steak

But if that’s true then why does it make sense for the waiter get a much bigger tip for the steak order?

Anonymous wrote:Here's a thought experiment:

Imagine that restaurant workers were paid like other retail workers: a mixture of salary, hourly and commission, depending on the business. Employers set their wages and reward them for good service and punish them for bad service. Worker pay is just part of the price of goods and services.

Then imagine that someone says, "Here's an idea. Let's reduce prices by 15-20%, and instead let customers decide how much they think the employee deserves and add that to their bill." Would anyone think that was a good idea?

Ridiculous
Your waiters salary would depend on how busy the restaurant is and on what the customer orders
Someone who orders soup and water is as much work as someone who orders steak

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Anonymous wrote:The expectation to tip will absolutely remain. Service will deteriorate (not because of servers, but because restaurants will start moving to self service) and your night out will be much more expensive. But 75% of voters support that tradeoff.

Not accepting your premise, but isn't that how democracy is supposed to work?

Direct democracy, yes. Representative democracy (which is what we actually have), no.

What exactly do you think a ballot initiative is?

Something akin to when a third grader gets to be "principal for a day."

Here's a thought experiment:

Imagine that restaurant workers were paid like other retail workers: a mixture of salary, hourly and commission, depending on the business. Employers set their wages and reward them for good service and punish them for bad service. Worker pay is just part of the price of goods and services.

Then imagine that someone says, "Here's an idea. Let's reduce prices by 15-20%, and instead let customers decide how much they think the employee deserves and add that to their bill." Would anyone think that was a good idea?

Anonymous wrote:Don’t worry if people don’t tip, restaurants won’t be able to get workers and they will close.

The whole point of I82 is the recognition that it should not be up to the whims of patrons to ensure that works are adequately compensated. If restaurants cannot pay their workers enough to retain them, then they have a failed business model and deserve to close.

Anonymous wrote:Don’t worry if people don’t tip, restaurants won’t be able to get workers and they will close.

I’m fine going only to 2Amy’s.

Don’t worry if people don’t tip, restaurants won’t be able to get workers and they will close.

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Anonymous wrote:Q: If you are for 82 and plan to stop tipping when it is fully implemented, why haven't you stopped tipping already? The current law states that restaurants must pay staff the 16+ hourly minimum wage if their tips don't get them to that threshold. I don't tip because I think that is a fair salary for a waiter/waitress, and I am fine with having the market dictate the cost of labor in that regard, with the restaurant acting as a failsafe.

And you think that under current law, every restaurant is actually ensuring that all tipped workers are earning at least $16 an hour? Sure.

If they are not then Karl Racine is not doing his job.

Anonymous wrote:Q: If you are for 82 and plan to stop tipping when it is fully implemented, why haven't you stopped tipping already? The current law states that restaurants must pay staff the 16+ hourly minimum wage if their tips don't get them to that threshold. I don't tip because I think that is a fair salary for a waiter/waitress, and I am fine with having the market dictate the cost of labor in that regard, with the restaurant acting as a failsafe.

And you think that under current law, every restaurant is actually ensuring that all tipped workers are earning at least $16 an hour? Sure.

Q: If you are for 82 and plan to stop tipping when it is fully implemented, why haven't you stopped tipping already? The current law states that restaurants must pay staff the 16+ hourly minimum wage if their tips don't get them to that threshold. I don't tip because I think that is a fair salary for a waiter/waitress, and I am fine with having the market dictate the cost of labor in that regard, with the restaurant acting as a failsafe.