Anonymous
Post 10/27/2022 07:58     Subject: Re:More Bethesda Violent Crime: Shots Fired at Pike & Rose

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LOL, yea let's compare it to a year nobody left there house and bars were closed. Jeez, such brain damage in the right.


That number of homicides is the highest the county has seen since the 90s.

But here's the thing. People don't experience violence equally. Most of the violence is occurring in small parts of the county -- equity focus areas. So when you "reform" the criminal justice system and take away both enforcement and consequences, you end up hurting African Americans for the most part. And then to a certain extent, Latino residents.


Please explain what specific steps have been taken in MoCo to take away enforcement and consequences?


Please read the Reimagining Public Safety Task Force findings, which call for a 50% reduction in force in Silver Spring and Wheaton specifically. It also calls for no arrests for “crimes against society,” eliminating drug enforcement officers, etc:
https://montgomerycountymd.gov/rps/Resources/Files/reports/rps-task-force-recommendations-report.pdf

This is the culture in which MCPD works, one in which the council and exec believe that crime will go down if there are fewer officers. Read the report. That language is all through it.



This is terrifying.


The General Assembly and the County Council have passed laws that limit police's ability to investigate and enforce crimes. From limiting search warrants to limiting crimes young kids can be charged with (gangs will now get super young kids to do a lot of their drug work), to cutting key positions out of the budget. Both Elrich and Jawando want to do more. Now that Jawando's traffic report has dropped, I am sure this is teeing him up to introduce a bill further limiting traffic stops.

Police have pulled almost a thousand illegal guns off the streets this year. And that proactive enforcement might very well be the reason there have been no homicides in Silver Spring this year.

But guess where they get them? Traffic stops. Often traffic stops because the car smells like weed.
Guess what's about to be legalized? So watch closely as the General Assembly, Elrich, and/or Jawando attempt to bar police from pulling over a car that smells like marijuana, ostensibly checking for DUI. But they often find guns.

Elrich and Jawando:
They have already compromised our traffic safety by cutting traffic enforcement positions.
They have already compromised our general safety by cutting two specialized teams, one in Bethesda and one in Rockville, that proactively went after criminals.
They have already cut the central auto theft unit.
They have already cut the police who did the theft-from-auto investigations in each district. Guess what our most common crime is in MoCo? People stealing stuff, including catalytic converters, from cars.

We have such a police shortage, Silver Spring is bringing in State Troopers to help with enforcement on weekends. https://www.sourceofthespring.com/silver-spring-news/2794526/crime-down-but-officer-shortage-impacts-downtown-silver-spring-commander-mcbain/

And when they tell you that they want police to solely focus on violent crime, please call them on their bull shi*t. They have no idea how policing works. They want to take away all the preventive work police do. And just make them respond to the homicide investigations.

You want cops to respond to a school shooting like Magruder? You have that. But you no longer have cops working in schools to prevent kids from getting shot or stabbed.
You want cops to respond to a murder scene to investigate? You have that. But you no longer have enough cops on the streets to help prevent the murders in the first place.

Jawando wants policing to go away. The leaves us to get hurt, or seek justice ourselves. And THAT's what's increasing violent crime -- a lot of vigilante justice on the streets.


Traffic stops because a car smells like weed are already illegal in MD. And the suggestion that violent crime is increasing because of a task force report or because low flight risk people are not being required to post bail for nonviolent offenses makes no sense.


No they aren’t. You absolutely can stop a car for the smell of weed.


Not in MD

https://wtop.com/maryland/2021/05/smell-of-marijuana-doesnt-justify-traffic-stops-rules-md-appeals-court/
Anonymous
Post 10/27/2022 07:56     Subject: More Bethesda Violent Crime: Shots Fired at Pike & Rose

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo has been circling the drain for 20 years. Its momentum is increasing as it gets closer to the bottom.


Crime was higher 20 years ago..


I'm so glad we use the floor for crime for comparative analysis.

When thinking about school performance, we should analyze test score relative to the kid that does the absolute worst too, right?


Actually, tests scores in 2002 and before were worse than they are now in 2022. In, 2002 test scores started to improve and we had a dip this year (not even a huge dip compared to the rest of the US), but it is not lower than 2002. Kids born in 2002 are in college right now. Our test scores are not historically low by any measurement. Just like the interest rates are not historically low.

Most people can't think past their nose though so go on and on and on about how bad it is.
Anonymous
Post 10/27/2022 07:53     Subject: More Bethesda Violent Crime: Shots Fired at Pike & Rose

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo has been circling the drain for 20 years. Its momentum is increasing as it gets closer to the bottom.


Crime was higher 20 years ago..


The benchmark shouldn't be the worst crime rates. The benchmark should be the lowest crime rates. In 2013 we only had 8 homicides.


It's disingenuous to say we have been going down for 20 years we have not. 2013 was a dip but this year isn't even a spike, it's only a spike compared to the lowest years. Crime is high everywhere, crime here is low in comparison... in comparison to the rest of the US, in comparison to most years in the last 20 years.
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Post 10/27/2022 07:51     Subject: Re:More Bethesda Violent Crime: Shots Fired at Pike & Rose

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LOL, yea let's compare it to a year nobody left there house and bars were closed. Jeez, such brain damage in the right.


That number of homicides is the highest the county has seen since the 90s.

But here's the thing. People don't experience violence equally. Most of the violence is occurring in small parts of the county -- equity focus areas. So when you "reform" the criminal justice system and take away both enforcement and consequences, you end up hurting African Americans for the most part. And then to a certain extent, Latino residents.


Please explain what specific steps have been taken in MoCo to take away enforcement and consequences?


Please read the Reimagining Public Safety Task Force findings, which call for a 50% reduction in force in Silver Spring and Wheaton specifically. It also calls for no arrests for “crimes against society,” eliminating drug enforcement officers, etc:
https://montgomerycountymd.gov/rps/Resources/Files/reports/rps-task-force-recommendations-report.pdf

This is the culture in which MCPD works, one in which the council and exec believe that crime will go down if there are fewer officers. Read the report. That language is all through it.



This is terrifying.


The General Assembly and the County Council have passed laws that limit police's ability to investigate and enforce crimes. From limiting search warrants to limiting crimes young kids can be charged with (gangs will now get super young kids to do a lot of their drug work), to cutting key positions out of the budget. Both Elrich and Jawando want to do more. Now that Jawando's traffic report has dropped, I am sure this is teeing him up to introduce a bill further limiting traffic stops.

Police have pulled almost a thousand illegal guns off the streets this year. And that proactive enforcement might very well be the reason there have been no homicides in Silver Spring this year.

But guess where they get them? Traffic stops. Often traffic stops because the car smells like weed.
Guess what's about to be legalized? So watch closely as the General Assembly, Elrich, and/or Jawando attempt to bar police from pulling over a car that smells like marijuana, ostensibly checking for DUI. But they often find guns.

Elrich and Jawando:
They have already compromised our traffic safety by cutting traffic enforcement positions.
They have already compromised our general safety by cutting two specialized teams, one in Bethesda and one in Rockville, that proactively went after criminals.
They have already cut the central auto theft unit.
They have already cut the police who did the theft-from-auto investigations in each district. Guess what our most common crime is in MoCo? People stealing stuff, including catalytic converters, from cars.

We have such a police shortage, Silver Spring is bringing in State Troopers to help with enforcement on weekends. https://www.sourceofthespring.com/silver-spring-news/2794526/crime-down-but-officer-shortage-impacts-downtown-silver-spring-commander-mcbain/

And when they tell you that they want police to solely focus on violent crime, please call them on their bull shi*t. They have no idea how policing works. They want to take away all the preventive work police do. And just make them respond to the homicide investigations.

You want cops to respond to a school shooting like Magruder? You have that. But you no longer have cops working in schools to prevent kids from getting shot or stabbed.
You want cops to respond to a murder scene to investigate? You have that. But you no longer have enough cops on the streets to help prevent the murders in the first place.

Jawando wants policing to go away. The leaves us to get hurt, or seek justice ourselves. And THAT's what's increasing violent crime -- a lot of vigilante justice on the streets.


Traffic stops because a car smells like weed are already illegal in MD. And the suggestion that violent crime is increasing because of a task force report or because low flight risk people are not being required to post bail for nonviolent offenses makes no sense.


No they aren’t. You absolutely can stop a car for the smell of weed.
Anonymous
Post 10/27/2022 07:48     Subject: More Bethesda Violent Crime: Shots Fired at Pike & Rose

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:MoCo has been circling the drain for 20 years. Its momentum is increasing as it gets closer to the bottom.


Crime was higher 20 years ago..


I'm so glad we use the floor for crime for comparative analysis.

When thinking about school performance, we should analyze test score relative to the kid that does the absolute worst too, right?
Anonymous
Post 10/27/2022 07:23     Subject: Re:More Bethesda Violent Crime: Shots Fired at Pike & Rose

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Anonymous wrote:
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LOL, yea let's compare it to a year nobody left there house and bars were closed. Jeez, such brain damage in the right.


That number of homicides is the highest the county has seen since the 90s.

But here's the thing. People don't experience violence equally. Most of the violence is occurring in small parts of the county -- equity focus areas. So when you "reform" the criminal justice system and take away both enforcement and consequences, you end up hurting African Americans for the most part. And then to a certain extent, Latino residents.


Please explain what specific steps have been taken in MoCo to take away enforcement and consequences?


Please read the Reimagining Public Safety Task Force findings, which call for a 50% reduction in force in Silver Spring and Wheaton specifically. It also calls for no arrests for “crimes against society,” eliminating drug enforcement officers, etc:
https://montgomerycountymd.gov/rps/Resources/Files/reports/rps-task-force-recommendations-report.pdf

This is the culture in which MCPD works, one in which the council and exec believe that crime will go down if there are fewer officers. Read the report. That language is all through it.



This is terrifying.


The General Assembly and the County Council have passed laws that limit police's ability to investigate and enforce crimes. From limiting search warrants to limiting crimes young kids can be charged with (gangs will now get super young kids to do a lot of their drug work), to cutting key positions out of the budget. Both Elrich and Jawando want to do more. Now that Jawando's traffic report has dropped, I am sure this is teeing him up to introduce a bill further limiting traffic stops.

Police have pulled almost a thousand illegal guns off the streets this year. And that proactive enforcement might very well be the reason there have been no homicides in Silver Spring this year.

But guess where they get them? Traffic stops. Often traffic stops because the car smells like weed.
Guess what's about to be legalized? So watch closely as the General Assembly, Elrich, and/or Jawando attempt to bar police from pulling over a car that smells like marijuana, ostensibly checking for DUI. But they often find guns.

Elrich and Jawando:
They have already compromised our traffic safety by cutting traffic enforcement positions.
They have already compromised our general safety by cutting two specialized teams, one in Bethesda and one in Rockville, that proactively went after criminals.
They have already cut the central auto theft unit.
They have already cut the police who did the theft-from-auto investigations in each district. Guess what our most common crime is in MoCo? People stealing stuff, including catalytic converters, from cars.

We have such a police shortage, Silver Spring is bringing in State Troopers to help with enforcement on weekends. https://www.sourceofthespring.com/silver-spring-news/2794526/crime-down-but-officer-shortage-impacts-downtown-silver-spring-commander-mcbain/

And when they tell you that they want police to solely focus on violent crime, please call them on their bull shi*t. They have no idea how policing works. They want to take away all the preventive work police do. And just make them respond to the homicide investigations.

You want cops to respond to a school shooting like Magruder? You have that. But you no longer have cops working in schools to prevent kids from getting shot or stabbed.
You want cops to respond to a murder scene to investigate? You have that. But you no longer have enough cops on the streets to help prevent the murders in the first place.

Jawando wants policing to go away. The leaves us to get hurt, or seek justice ourselves. And THAT's what's increasing violent crime -- a lot of vigilante justice on the streets.


Traffic stops because a car smells like weed are already illegal in MD. And the suggestion that violent crime is increasing because of a task force report or because low flight risk people are not being required to post bail for nonviolent offenses makes no sense.
Anonymous
Post 10/27/2022 07:11     Subject: More Bethesda Violent Crime: Shots Fired at Pike & Rose

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:MoCo has been circling the drain for 20 years. Its momentum is increasing as it gets closer to the bottom.


Crime was higher 20 years ago..


The benchmark shouldn't be the worst crime rates. The benchmark should be the lowest crime rates. In 2013 we only had 8 homicides.
Anonymous
Post 10/27/2022 07:06     Subject: More Bethesda Violent Crime: Shots Fired at Pike & Rose

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Anonymous wrote:Omg people
The rate of murders in the US has gone up at an alarming rate. But, despite a media narrative to the contrary, this is a problem that afflicts Republican-run cities and states as much or more than the Democratic bastions.
In 2020, per capita murder rates were 40% higher in states won by Donald Trump than those won by Joe Biden.
8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates in 2020 voted for the Republican presidential nominee in every election this century.


This is a false hood that keeps getting play. The locations are still blue run in those places you mention. These are by and large inner cities with this crime.


No they are red Republican run states.


Like.. Maryland and VA, both with Republican governors?


This: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/19/murder-rates-red-states-myth/


There’s no such thing as a Republican run city.
Anonymous
Post 10/27/2022 07:06     Subject: More Bethesda Violent Crime: Shots Fired at Pike & Rose

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:MoCo has been circling the drain for 20 years. Its momentum is increasing as it gets closer to the bottom.


Crime was higher 20 years ago..


And it’s getting bigger because of progressive criminal justice reform couples with liberals empathizing more with the perpetrators of crime than the victims. I mean we all know that violence interruptors are doing well and that restorative justice really helps someone who gets punched in the face for their iPhone.
Anonymous
Post 10/27/2022 07:04     Subject: More Bethesda Violent Crime: Shots Fired at Pike & Rose

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Omg people
The rate of murders in the US has gone up at an alarming rate. But, despite a media narrative to the contrary, this is a problem that afflicts Republican-run cities and states as much or more than the Democratic bastions.
In 2020, per capita murder rates were 40% higher in states won by Donald Trump than those won by Joe Biden.
8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates in 2020 voted for the Republican presidential nominee in every election this century.


This is a false hood that keeps getting play. The locations are still blue run in those places you mention. These are by and large inner cities with this crime.


No they are red Republican run states.


Like.. Maryland and VA, both with Republican governors?


This: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/19/murder-rates-red-states-myth/
Anonymous
Post 10/27/2022 06:51     Subject: More Bethesda Violent Crime: Shots Fired at Pike & Rose

Anonymous wrote:MoCo has been circling the drain for 20 years. Its momentum is increasing as it gets closer to the bottom.


Crime was higher 20 years ago..
Anonymous
Post 10/27/2022 06:49     Subject: Re:More Bethesda Violent Crime: Shots Fired at Pike & Rose

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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LOL, yea let's compare it to a year nobody left there house and bars were closed. Jeez, such brain damage in the right.


That number of homicides is the highest the county has seen since the 90s.

But here's the thing. People don't experience violence equally. Most of the violence is occurring in small parts of the county -- equity focus areas. So when you "reform" the criminal justice system and take away both enforcement and consequences, you end up hurting African Americans for the most part. And then to a certain extent, Latino residents.


Please explain what specific steps have been taken in MoCo to take away enforcement and consequences?


Please read the Reimagining Public Safety Task Force findings, which call for a 50% reduction in force in Silver Spring and Wheaton specifically. It also calls for no arrests for “crimes against society,” eliminating drug enforcement officers, etc:
https://montgomerycountymd.gov/rps/Resources/Files/reports/rps-task-force-recommendations-report.pdf

This is the culture in which MCPD works, one in which the council and exec believe that crime will go down if there are fewer officers. Read the report. That language is all through it.



This is terrifying.


The General Assembly and the County Council have passed laws that limit police's ability to investigate and enforce crimes. From limiting search warrants to limiting crimes young kids can be charged with (gangs will now get super young kids to do a lot of their drug work), to cutting key positions out of the budget. Both Elrich and Jawando want to do more. Now that Jawando's traffic report has dropped, I am sure this is teeing him up to introduce a bill further limiting traffic stops.

Police have pulled almost a thousand illegal guns off the streets this year. And that proactive enforcement might very well be the reason there have been no homicides in Silver Spring this year.

But guess where they get them? Traffic stops. Often traffic stops because the car smells like weed.
Guess what's about to be legalized? So watch closely as the General Assembly, Elrich, and/or Jawando attempt to bar police from pulling over a car that smells like marijuana, ostensibly checking for DUI. But they often find guns.

Elrich and Jawando:
They have already compromised our traffic safety by cutting traffic enforcement positions.
They have already compromised our general safety by cutting two specialized teams, one in Bethesda and one in Rockville, that proactively went after criminals.
They have already cut the central auto theft unit.
They have already cut the police who did the theft-from-auto investigations in each district. Guess what our most common crime is in MoCo? People stealing stuff, including catalytic converters, from cars.

We have such a police shortage, Silver Spring is bringing in State Troopers to help with enforcement on weekends. https://www.sourceofthespring.com/silver-spring-news/2794526/crime-down-but-officer-shortage-impacts-downtown-silver-spring-commander-mcbain/

And when they tell you that they want police to solely focus on violent crime, please call them on their bull shi*t. They have no idea how policing works. They want to take away all the preventive work police do. And just make them respond to the homicide investigations.

You want cops to respond to a school shooting like Magruder? You have that. But you no longer have cops working in schools to prevent kids from getting shot or stabbed.
You want cops to respond to a murder scene to investigate? You have that. But you no longer have enough cops on the streets to help prevent the murders in the first place.

Jawando wants policing to go away. The leaves us to get hurt, or seek justice ourselves. And THAT's what's increasing violent crime -- a lot of vigilante justice on the streets.
Anonymous
Post 10/27/2022 06:07     Subject: More Bethesda Violent Crime: Shots Fired at Pike & Rose

MoCo has been circling the drain for 20 years. Its momentum is increasing as it gets closer to the bottom.
Anonymous
Post 10/26/2022 22:09     Subject: Re:More Bethesda Violent Crime: Shots Fired at Pike & Rose

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:


LOL, yea let's compare it to a year nobody left there house and bars were closed. Jeez, such brain damage in the right.


That number of homicides is the highest the county has seen since the 90s.

But here's the thing. People don't experience violence equally. Most of the violence is occurring in small parts of the county -- equity focus areas. So when you "reform" the criminal justice system and take away both enforcement and consequences, you end up hurting African Americans for the most part. And then to a certain extent, Latino residents.


Please explain what specific steps have been taken in MoCo to take away enforcement and consequences?


Please read the Reimagining Public Safety Task Force findings, which call for a 50% reduction in force in Silver Spring and Wheaton specifically. It also calls for no arrests for “crimes against society,” eliminating drug enforcement officers, etc:
https://montgomerycountymd.gov/rps/Resources/Files/reports/rps-task-force-recommendations-report.pdf

This is the culture in which MCPD works, one in which the council and exec believe that crime will go down if there are fewer officers. Read the report. That language is all through it.



This is terrifying.
Anonymous
Post 10/26/2022 21:40     Subject: More Bethesda Violent Crime: Shots Fired at Pike & Rose

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:MoCo is becoming more vibrant and diverse. This is a feature not a bug.


Just say you hate hispanics and blacks and be done with it.


Nope. I hate white liberals who treat POC like they were pets. Poor, simple creatures who can’t look after themselves without the intervention and guiding white hand reaching down from their ivory tower to care for them, since they can’t take care of themselves. Your polices have destroyed generations of black families. And your soft on crime nonsense has ensured they live in neighborhoods saturated with crime. I’m glad to see the fruits of all your labor coming to bear in your own communities now, too. This is what you have wrought, and now it’s on your doorstep. Good.


So true. And so many of them here in progressive Montgomery County.


Yeah I like it when the progressive whites use terms like "Latinx" even though an actual Spanish speaker would never use that term.