Anonymous wrote:Why do people do this? To move to the EU?

Because the US is becoming an oppressive oligarchy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtkPacTl64I

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Anonymous wrote:What is the benefit of doing this? You aren't going to move to Europe.

Why do you assume they wouldn’t? My kids have German passports in addition to their US passports, which we got in significant part so they would have an option to live/work there as adults. My college student is seriously considering it for after graduation.

Uh huh. And how much German have you taught your children? I’m fluent enough in German (lived and went to school there) but I would never want to work a white collar job there, because it’s just really hard to function in your second or third language.

I'm the Italian PP who is pursuing a 1948 case there. I have many family members who work in white collar jobs in Denmark, Belgium, Switzerland, and Sweden. They all work for large corporations who have employees from all over the world and English is the langauge of business in those corporations. I also have nephews/nieces who are going to grad school in Switzerland and Spain, where their courses are all in English. Of course, if one lives in a country, they should learn the langauge. But it is not necessary to work in certain industries. Many of my cousins are engineers, and that is one field where English is commonly the language spoken in the workplace.

Why do people do this? To move to the EU?

Anonymous wrote:Can someone tell me more about Italy? My understanding was that I wasn’t eligible because my grandmother immigrated before Italian women had rights so there were no rights to transfer to me. If she’s been a boy, it would have worked. Am I wrong?

Go to the facebook group for dual citizenship. They also run this website: https://dualusitalian.com/welcome/units/do-you-qualify-a-handy-chart/

You have a 1948 case. You need an italian lawyer and you get citizenship through the Italian courts (many people do this, even though it sounds daunting).

Anonymous wrote:The whites returning to Europe is beneficial and important to achieving land-back goals.

If you are white, you are living on stolen land.

As if Europe has space for all of us.

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't the residents of these EU countries resent it if so many Americans started using their low cost universities and healthcare without having paid into the system first?
Just a thought.

Yes, I'm sure they will, and I bet if enough of us apply, they will change the rules or set quotas or whatever.

Their low cost universities and health care are only possible because the United States has been subsidizing their defense for decades, which we have paid into. Unlikely that many people will move there though.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the benefit of doing this? You aren't going to move to Europe.

Why do you assume they wouldn’t? My kids have German passports in addition to their US passports, which we got in significant part so they would have an option to live/work there as adults. My college student is seriously considering it for after graduation.

Uh huh. And how much German have you taught your children? I’m fluent enough in German (lived and went to school there) but I would never want to work a white collar job there, because it’s just really hard to function in your second or third language.

Well millions have immigrated to the US, learned the language, and gotten jobs and here. It's not impossible if you're motivated.

Anonymous wrote:The whites returning to Europe is beneficial and important to achieving land-back goals.

If you are white, you are living on stolen land.

Only white people? Explain that.

The whites returning to Europe is beneficial and important to achieving land-back goals.

If you are white, you are living on stolen land.

Anonymous wrote:Here is a flow chart for those considering going through their Polish heritage:

https://pgsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Education-Polish-Citizenship.pdf

Why Poland? If you're moving in part due to Roe v Wade, check out the Polish ban on abortion.

Anonymous wrote:I looked into this in Ireland but the blurb in the OP is wrong -- you can't go back four generations. One set of great grandparents immigrated to the US from Ireland but because my grandmother was born in the US I'm not eligible. If her parents had applied for her to have Irish citizenship I might be, but otherwise it's too far removed. I was disappointed.

You can go back that far, but it's tricky. the grandchild has to have gotten their citizenship before the great-grandchild is born, i.e., Grandparent born Ireland, parent born in US (automatically Irish citizen), grandchild obtains citizenship, great-grandchild then born and is eligible.

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t transfer to spouses

That is not always true. I am on the registry of foreign births for Ireland so I have citizenship. About 15 years ago, before a vote to expand the EU, Ireland wanted to up their population and allowed spouses to apply for citizenship. My DH did it in their timeframe and is now a citizen also though he is 0% Irish by heritage.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the benefit of doing this? You aren't going to move to Europe.

Why do you assume they wouldn’t? My kids have German passports in addition to their US passports, which we got in significant part so they would have an option to live/work there as adults. My college student is seriously considering it for after graduation.

Uh huh. And how much German have you taught your children? I’m fluent enough in German (lived and went to school there) but I would never want to work a white collar job there, because it’s just really hard to function in your second or third language.

Anonymous wrote:Can someone tell me more about Italy? My understanding was that I wasn’t eligible because my grandmother immigrated before Italian women had rights so there were no rights to transfer to me. If she’s been a boy, it would have worked. Am I wrong?

I second a PP and highly recommend joining the Facebook group "Dual US-Italian Citizenship." Just as an example of how many people are seeking Italian citizenship, this group has grown to over 40,000 members in the past several years. They have very extensive guides on all paths to Italian citizenship.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/23386646249/?hoisted_section_header_type=recently_seen&multi_permalinks=10160019539171250

The main thing to be aware of is whether or not your ancestor naturalized or became a citizen of the US or another country BEFORE the next generation was born. So if your line is through your grandmother, she must not have become a US citizen before your mother or father was born. Now, you are correct that before 1948, Italian women could not pass citizenship down to their children, only men passed down citizenship. However, the new Constitution of 1948, oveturned that sexist law. But you still can't go through your consulate, you must hire a lawyer in Italy, gather all your documents, and then file a case in court in Italy to haver your citizenship recognized. That is known as a "1948 Case" and you can read more details on the Facebook group.

I am currently pursuing a 1948 case and will be ready to file my case in the Court of Bologna within the next six months. All cases used to be filed in Rome, but the backlog was huge and the Italian government just de-centralized citizenship cases, so you now file in the regional court of your ancestor's home comune. This should speed the process up and I hope to be recognized in the next two years.

The document gathering can take a couple of years. You must have originals of all vital docs: birth, marriage, divorces, death, etc. of your direct line, and sometimes non-line spouses too. Depends on what your lawyer requests. Then they must be translated into Italian and apostilled. This can take a very long time, and sometimes it's difficult to find docs. To the PP who said they couldn't get docs because of a fire in Italy, I thought the same thing about my father, who was born in Italy. However, the service provider I'm using to help gather docs in Italy found my father's birth certificate very quickly. Sometimes those "fire" stories are family lore that is not true. Also, churches will have extensive records of births/baptisms, marriages etc. I would look into hiring someone in Italy to help locate Italian documents. There are a lot of service providers listed on the Dual Citizenship Facebook group.

Why do it? I feel a very strong connection to Italy. All four of my grandparents and my father were from Italy and I've been traveling there regularly since I was 8 years old, so it's just personally important to me. DH and I plan to spend 4-6 months per year there after we retire. I am also getting citizenship for my DC and a few nieces/nephews too. They are all college-aged and it gives them the opportunity to live and work in any EU country. My DC is very interested in living in Europe after college.

Good luck - it is a long and sometimes difficult experience, however, very rewarding. As you search for documents, you learn a lot about your family and your heritage. I highly recommend it!

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Anonymous wrote:What is the benefit of doing this? You aren't going to move to Europe.

Why do you assume they wouldn’t? My kids have German passports in addition to their US passports, which we got in significant part so they would have an option to live/work there as adults. My college student is seriously considering it for after graduation.

Curious - is the job market better in EU countries for those without established networks?