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Anonymous wrote:My brother who is a Christian pointed out to me that no where in the Bible does it say suicide is a sin. I believe he is right.

It's off-topic, but has your brother started a religion based on his interpretation of the Bible?

DP. He doesn’t need to. Very few (no?) churches today consider suicide a sin.

It's been explained already, troll.

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Anonymous wrote:My brother who is a Christian pointed out to me that no where in the Bible does it say suicide is a sin. I believe he is right.

It's off-topic, but has your brother started a religion based on his interpretation of the Bible?

DP. He doesn’t need to. Very few (no?) churches today consider suicide a sin.

Anonymous wrote:My brother who is a Christian pointed out to me that no where in the Bible does it say suicide is a sin. I believe he is right.

It's off-topic, but has your brother started a religion based on his interpretation of the Bible?

My brother who is a Christian pointed out to me that no where in the Bible does it say suicide is a sin. I believe he is right.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here-On a positive note it appears my friend is doing relatively well, better than I thought she would at first, although it is quite a rough road she is on. I agree with those who say she will likely never fully recover.

On the other hand, I just found out that the grandson had been struggling with his gender identity and was attempting to live as a female, something I had not known. I fear that his extremely evangelical parents and church family made this very difficult for him and that is likely at least partly why he decided to end his life. I do not know the details. It's really hard for me to imagine how his family's Christian faith is helping them under these circumstances, although I hope it is. I think my friend, his grandmother, is probably handling it better than his parents are.

You are really disgusting. As you said, you DO NOT KNOW THE DETAILS. So STFU.

OP here-Thanks for expressing your Christian viewpoint. Sorry whatever I said triggered you past the point of decent discourse.

I am not a troll and none of this is made up, unfortunately. I appreciate those who gave me some replies that have been helpful and for those who so easily lose their composure and lash out, yikes! Glad I don't know you IRL.

DP. OP, pp lost it, yes, and I too am not convinced you’re not a troll.

Whatever the case, though, it’s too bad you haven’t listened to any of the comments about judging people when you have so few facts.

OP here-I've known this family since before this kid was born. I know how they live their lives. I also know more than I am saying on DCUM. that's related to protecting anonymity. Perhaps I am being too judgmental but no more than some of the nasty, vicious commenters are being judgmental about me without knowing all the facts either.

But you didn’t know the grandchild was transgender, and you only viewed your friend’s pain in context of her faith not helping her, and blamed the parents and church for the child’s death without any reason or evidence given. If that’s how you act as a family friend, you need to reflect on what a friend is.

I don't live near them anymore, I am only a long distance friend with the grandmother at this point. Since learning what happened I have wondered about how she could possibly be handling this tragedy and hoped her faith would help her. The judgmental nature of the replies, from Christians I assume, makes me wonder how being one could help anybody. Maybe you need to reflect on how your response is helpful at all. You have no clue how I act as her friend so why even bother to reply?

This is a troll post. The theme of your thread is: “How Christianity helps absolutely no one.”

-it’s not helping your friend recover from the death of her grandson
-grandson (with zero evidence) was driven to his death by parents and church
-now anyone who you think comments negatively in your opinion is a “Christian” and “you can’t see how Christianity helps anyone.”

Why oh why can’t this forum just be for regular religious stuff? Not for very poor trolls who hate Christianity?

What exactly is "regular religious stuff"? Do you mean only that which you approve? Maybe you should apply for the position of Religion thread monitor and you could decide who is a troll and who is a legitimate poster. I have never commented or asked a question in the Religion forum before and likely won't again because it appears that some just want it to be an echo chamber.

DP. And yet here you are parroting all the usual talking points from this forum’s usual trolls. That people of faith want an echo chamber etc—when really all we want is to have discussions without trolls and derailments and general nastiness towards faith.

A constant anti-theist who posts here daily says the same thing. Which you are one and the same, get a life. We can see through your bs.

Thinking you’re talking to the wrong person.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here-On a positive note it appears my friend is doing relatively well, better than I thought she would at first, although it is quite a rough road she is on. I agree with those who say she will likely never fully recover.

On the other hand, I just found out that the grandson had been struggling with his gender identity and was attempting to live as a female, something I had not known. I fear that his extremely evangelical parents and church family made this very difficult for him and that is likely at least partly why he decided to end his life. I do not know the details. It's really hard for me to imagine how his family's Christian faith is helping them under these circumstances, although I hope it is. I think my friend, his grandmother, is probably handling it better than his parents are.

You are really disgusting. As you said, you DO NOT KNOW THE DETAILS. So STFU.

OP here-Thanks for expressing your Christian viewpoint. Sorry whatever I said triggered you past the point of decent discourse.

I am not a troll and none of this is made up, unfortunately. I appreciate those who gave me some replies that have been helpful and for those who so easily lose their composure and lash out, yikes! Glad I don't know you IRL.

DP. OP, pp lost it, yes, and I too am not convinced you’re not a troll.

Whatever the case, though, it’s too bad you haven’t listened to any of the comments about judging people when you have so few facts.

OP here-I've known this family since before this kid was born. I know how they live their lives. I also know more than I am saying on DCUM. that's related to protecting anonymity. Perhaps I am being too judgmental but no more than some of the nasty, vicious commenters are being judgmental about me without knowing all the facts either.

But you didn’t know the grandchild was transgender, and you only viewed your friend’s pain in context of her faith not helping her, and blamed the parents and church for the child’s death without any reason or evidence given. If that’s how you act as a family friend, you need to reflect on what a friend is.

I don't live near them anymore, I am only a long distance friend with the grandmother at this point. Since learning what happened I have wondered about how she could possibly be handling this tragedy and hoped her faith would help her. The judgmental nature of the replies, from Christians I assume, makes me wonder how being one could help anybody. Maybe you need to reflect on how your response is helpful at all. You have no clue how I act as her friend so why even bother to reply?

This is a troll post. The theme of your thread is: “How Christianity helps absolutely no one.”

-it’s not helping your friend recover from the death of her grandson
-grandson (with zero evidence) was driven to his death by parents and church
-now anyone who you think comments negatively in your opinion is a “Christian” and “you can’t see how Christianity helps anyone.”

Why oh why can’t this forum just be for regular religious stuff? Not for very poor trolls who hate Christianity?

What exactly is "regular religious stuff"? Do you mean only that which you approve? Maybe you should apply for the position of Religion thread monitor and you could decide who is a troll and who is a legitimate poster. I have never commented or asked a question in the Religion forum before and likely won't again because it appears that some just want it to be an echo chamber.

DP. And yet here you are parroting all the usual talking points from this forum’s usual trolls. That people of faith want an echo chamber etc—when really all we want is to have discussions without trolls and derailments and general nastiness towards faith.

A constant anti-theist who posts here daily says the same thing. Which you are one and the same, get a life. We can see through your bs.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here-On a positive note it appears my friend is doing relatively well, better than I thought she would at first, although it is quite a rough road she is on. I agree with those who say she will likely never fully recover.

On the other hand, I just found out that the grandson had been struggling with his gender identity and was attempting to live as a female, something I had not known. I fear that his extremely evangelical parents and church family made this very difficult for him and that is likely at least partly why he decided to end his life. I do not know the details. It's really hard for me to imagine how his family's Christian faith is helping them under these circumstances, although I hope it is. I think my friend, his grandmother, is probably handling it better than his parents are.

You are really disgusting. As you said, you DO NOT KNOW THE DETAILS. So STFU.

OP here-Thanks for expressing your Christian viewpoint. Sorry whatever I said triggered you past the point of decent discourse.

I am not a troll and none of this is made up, unfortunately. I appreciate those who gave me some replies that have been helpful and for those who so easily lose their composure and lash out, yikes! Glad I don't know you IRL.

DP. OP, pp lost it, yes, and I too am not convinced you’re not a troll.

Whatever the case, though, it’s too bad you haven’t listened to any of the comments about judging people when you have so few facts.

OP here-I've known this family since before this kid was born. I know how they live their lives. I also know more than I am saying on DCUM. that's related to protecting anonymity. Perhaps I am being too judgmental but no more than some of the nasty, vicious commenters are being judgmental about me without knowing all the facts either.

But you didn’t know the grandchild was transgender, and you only viewed your friend’s pain in context of her faith not helping her, and blamed the parents and church for the child’s death without any reason or evidence given. If that’s how you act as a family friend, you need to reflect on what a friend is.

I don't live near them anymore, I am only a long distance friend with the grandmother at this point. Since learning what happened I have wondered about how she could possibly be handling this tragedy and hoped her faith would help her. The judgmental nature of the replies, from Christians I assume, makes me wonder how being one could help anybody. Maybe you need to reflect on how your response is helpful at all. You have no clue how I act as her friend so why even bother to reply?

Being trans with a hyper religious family is really difficult. I am in that situation. I've essentially chosen to stop speaking to my family. I have my mother's only grandchild and she's really upset that she never gets to see her any more but I can't have a person that thinks my child needs to learn the bible and will be told that I am somehow immoral or "against god" for being trans in her life. She was indoctrinated by her parents (my grand parents) that hold even more bigoted beliefs. They told me once, that no gay person with HIV should be treated and they should all die and go to hell sooner. That was told to me as a child by "a man of god". It was then, when I was 11, that I realized that my family was hypocritical horrible people and I gave up on religion.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here-On a positive note it appears my friend is doing relatively well, better than I thought she would at first, although it is quite a rough road she is on. I agree with those who say she will likely never fully recover.

On the other hand, I just found out that the grandson had been struggling with his gender identity and was attempting to live as a female, something I had not known. I fear that his extremely evangelical parents and church family made this very difficult for him and that is likely at least partly why he decided to end his life. I do not know the details. It's really hard for me to imagine how his family's Christian faith is helping them under these circumstances, although I hope it is. I think my friend, his grandmother, is probably handling it better than his parents are.

You are really disgusting. As you said, you DO NOT KNOW THE DETAILS. So STFU.

OP here-Thanks for expressing your Christian viewpoint. Sorry whatever I said triggered you past the point of decent discourse.

I am not a troll and none of this is made up, unfortunately. I appreciate those who gave me some replies that have been helpful and for those who so easily lose their composure and lash out, yikes! Glad I don't know you IRL.

DP. OP, pp lost it, yes, and I too am not convinced you’re not a troll.

Whatever the case, though, it’s too bad you haven’t listened to any of the comments about judging people when you have so few facts.

OP here-I've known this family since before this kid was born. I know how they live their lives. I also know more than I am saying on DCUM. that's related to protecting anonymity. Perhaps I am being too judgmental but no more than some of the nasty, vicious commenters are being judgmental about me without knowing all the facts either.

But you didn’t know the grandchild was transgender, and you only viewed your friend’s pain in context of her faith not helping her, and blamed the parents and church for the child’s death without any reason or evidence given. If that’s how you act as a family friend, you need to reflect on what a friend is.

I don't live near them anymore, I am only a long distance friend with the grandmother at this point. Since learning what happened I have wondered about how she could possibly be handling this tragedy and hoped her faith would help her. The judgmental nature of the replies, from Christians I assume, makes me wonder how being one could help anybody. Maybe you need to reflect on how your response is helpful at all. You have no clue how I act as her friend so why even bother to reply?

This is a troll post. The theme of your thread is: “How Christianity helps absolutely no one.”

-it’s not helping your friend recover from the death of her grandson
-grandson (with zero evidence) was driven to his death by parents and church
-now anyone who you think comments negatively in your opinion is a “Christian” and “you can’t see how Christianity helps anyone.”

Why oh why can’t this forum just be for regular religious stuff? Not for very poor trolls who hate Christianity?

What exactly is "regular religious stuff"? Do you mean only that which you approve? Maybe you should apply for the position of Religion thread monitor and you could decide who is a troll and who is a legitimate poster. I have never commented or asked a question in the Religion forum before and likely won't again because it appears that some just want it to be an echo chamber.

DP. And yet here you are parroting all the usual talking points from this forum’s usual trolls. That people of faith want an echo chamber etc—when really all we want is to have discussions without trolls and derailments and general nastiness towards faith.

I hope you all will forgive me for not understanding the rules here and following them. Not sure how I was able to "parrot all the usual talking points from this forum's usual trolls" when I have no idea what the "usual trolls" even say. Going by your last sentence I will assume you just want to chat among yourselves about your own beliefs about religion and I will try to figure out the answers to my religion related wonderings on my own, somewhere else.

I do appreciate the thoughtful and helpful replies I did get, thanks to those of you who responded as such.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here-On a positive note it appears my friend is doing relatively well, better than I thought she would at first, although it is quite a rough road she is on. I agree with those who say she will likely never fully recover.

On the other hand, I just found out that the grandson had been struggling with his gender identity and was attempting to live as a female, something I had not known. I fear that his extremely evangelical parents and church family made this very difficult for him and that is likely at least partly why he decided to end his life. I do not know the details. It's really hard for me to imagine how his family's Christian faith is helping them under these circumstances, although I hope it is. I think my friend, his grandmother, is probably handling it better than his parents are.

You are really disgusting. As you said, you DO NOT KNOW THE DETAILS. So STFU.

OP here-Thanks for expressing your Christian viewpoint. Sorry whatever I said triggered you past the point of decent discourse.

I am not a troll and none of this is made up, unfortunately. I appreciate those who gave me some replies that have been helpful and for those who so easily lose their composure and lash out, yikes! Glad I don't know you IRL.

DP. OP, pp lost it, yes, and I too am not convinced you’re not a troll.

Whatever the case, though, it’s too bad you haven’t listened to any of the comments about judging people when you have so few facts.

OP here-I've known this family since before this kid was born. I know how they live their lives. I also know more than I am saying on DCUM. that's related to protecting anonymity. Perhaps I am being too judgmental but no more than some of the nasty, vicious commenters are being judgmental about me without knowing all the facts either.

But you didn’t know the grandchild was transgender, and you only viewed your friend’s pain in context of her faith not helping her, and blamed the parents and church for the child’s death without any reason or evidence given. If that’s how you act as a family friend, you need to reflect on what a friend is.

I don't live near them anymore, I am only a long distance friend with the grandmother at this point. Since learning what happened I have wondered about how she could possibly be handling this tragedy and hoped her faith would help her. The judgmental nature of the replies, from Christians I assume, makes me wonder how being one could help anybody. Maybe you need to reflect on how your response is helpful at all. You have no clue how I act as her friend so why even bother to reply?

This is a troll post. The theme of your thread is: “How Christianity helps absolutely no one.”

-it’s not helping your friend recover from the death of her grandson
-grandson (with zero evidence) was driven to his death by parents and church
-now anyone who you think comments negatively in your opinion is a “Christian” and “you can’t see how Christianity helps anyone.”

Why oh why can’t this forum just be for regular religious stuff? Not for very poor trolls who hate Christianity?

What exactly is "regular religious stuff"? Do you mean only that which you approve? Maybe you should apply for the position of Religion thread monitor and you could decide who is a troll and who is a legitimate poster. I have never commented or asked a question in the Religion forum before and likely won't again because it appears that some just want it to be an echo chamber.

DP. And yet here you are parroting all the usual talking points from this forum’s usual trolls. That people of faith want an echo chamber etc—when really all we want is to have discussions without trolls and derailments and general nastiness towards faith.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here-On a positive note it appears my friend is doing relatively well, better than I thought she would at first, although it is quite a rough road she is on. I agree with those who say she will likely never fully recover.

On the other hand, I just found out that the grandson had been struggling with his gender identity and was attempting to live as a female, something I had not known. I fear that his extremely evangelical parents and church family made this very difficult for him and that is likely at least partly why he decided to end his life. I do not know the details. It's really hard for me to imagine how his family's Christian faith is helping them under these circumstances, although I hope it is. I think my friend, his grandmother, is probably handling it better than his parents are.

You are really disgusting. As you said, you DO NOT KNOW THE DETAILS. So STFU.

OP here-Thanks for expressing your Christian viewpoint. Sorry whatever I said triggered you past the point of decent discourse.

I am not a troll and none of this is made up, unfortunately. I appreciate those who gave me some replies that have been helpful and for those who so easily lose their composure and lash out, yikes! Glad I don't know you IRL.

DP. OP, pp lost it, yes, and I too am not convinced you’re not a troll.

Whatever the case, though, it’s too bad you haven’t listened to any of the comments about judging people when you have so few facts.

OP here-I've known this family since before this kid was born. I know how they live their lives. I also know more than I am saying on DCUM. that's related to protecting anonymity. Perhaps I am being too judgmental but no more than some of the nasty, vicious commenters are being judgmental about me without knowing all the facts either.

But you didn’t know the grandchild was transgender, and you only viewed your friend’s pain in context of her faith not helping her, and blamed the parents and church for the child’s death without any reason or evidence given. If that’s how you act as a family friend, you need to reflect on what a friend is.

I don't live near them anymore, I am only a long distance friend with the grandmother at this point. Since learning what happened I have wondered about how she could possibly be handling this tragedy and hoped her faith would help her. The judgmental nature of the replies, from Christians I assume, makes me wonder how being one could help anybody. Maybe you need to reflect on how your response is helpful at all. You have no clue how I act as her friend so why even bother to reply?

This is a troll post. The theme of your thread is: “How Christianity helps absolutely no one.”

-it’s not helping your friend recover from the death of her grandson
-grandson (with zero evidence) was driven to his death by parents and church
-now anyone who you think comments negatively in your opinion is a “Christian” and “you can’t see how Christianity helps anyone.”

Why oh why can’t this forum just be for regular religious stuff? Not for very poor trolls who hate Christianity?

What exactly is "regular religious stuff"? Do you mean only that which you approve? Maybe you should apply for the position of Religion thread monitor and you could decide who is a troll and who is a legitimate poster. I have never commented or asked a question in the Religion forum before and likely won't again because it appears that some just want it to be an echo chamber.

I remember from my childhood that our pastor would talk about the suicide of a family member. And how he hoped in the split second between when he pulled the trigger and when he died that he asked for forgiveness and repented so he didn't end up in hell.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here-On a positive note it appears my friend is doing relatively well, better than I thought she would at first, although it is quite a rough road she is on. I agree with those who say she will likely never fully recover.

On the other hand, I just found out that the grandson had been struggling with his gender identity and was attempting to live as a female, something I had not known. I fear that his extremely evangelical parents and church family made this very difficult for him and that is likely at least partly why he decided to end his life. I do not know the details. It's really hard for me to imagine how his family's Christian faith is helping them under these circumstances, although I hope it is. I think my friend, his grandmother, is probably handling it better than his parents are.

You are really disgusting. As you said, you DO NOT KNOW THE DETAILS. So STFU.

OP here-Thanks for expressing your Christian viewpoint. Sorry whatever I said triggered you past the point of decent discourse.

I am not a troll and none of this is made up, unfortunately. I appreciate those who gave me some replies that have been helpful and for those who so easily lose their composure and lash out, yikes! Glad I don't know you IRL.

DP. OP, pp lost it, yes, and I too am not convinced you’re not a troll.

Whatever the case, though, it’s too bad you haven’t listened to any of the comments about judging people when you have so few facts.

OP here-I've known this family since before this kid was born. I know how they live their lives. I also know more than I am saying on DCUM. that's related to protecting anonymity. Perhaps I am being too judgmental but no more than some of the nasty, vicious commenters are being judgmental about me without knowing all the facts either.

But you didn’t know the grandchild was transgender, and you only viewed your friend’s pain in context of her faith not helping her, and blamed the parents and church for the child’s death without any reason or evidence given. If that’s how you act as a family friend, you need to reflect on what a friend is.

I don't live near them anymore, I am only a long distance friend with the grandmother at this point. Since learning what happened I have wondered about how she could possibly be handling this tragedy and hoped her faith would help her. The judgmental nature of the replies, from Christians I assume, makes me wonder how being one could help anybody. Maybe you need to reflect on how your response is helpful at all. You have no clue how I act as her friend so why even bother to reply?

This is a troll post. The theme of your thread is: “How Christianity helps absolutely no one.”

-it’s not helping your friend recover from the death of her grandson
-grandson (with zero evidence) was driven to his death by parents and church
-now anyone who you think comments negatively in your opinion is a “Christian” and “you can’t see how Christianity helps anyone.”

Why oh why can’t this forum just be for regular religious stuff? Not for very poor trolls who hate Christianity?

+1. OP trolls and then complains that others don’t respond kindly to it.

OP, if you’re not a troll, you need to understand this forum is rife with trolls pretending to be Christians and then saying outrageous things. You didn’t separate yourself from the pack with an op and follow-up posts that essentially dump on Christianity.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here-On a positive note it appears my friend is doing relatively well, better than I thought she would at first, although it is quite a rough road she is on. I agree with those who say she will likely never fully recover.

On the other hand, I just found out that the grandson had been struggling with his gender identity and was attempting to live as a female, something I had not known. I fear that his extremely evangelical parents and church family made this very difficult for him and that is likely at least partly why he decided to end his life. I do not know the details. It's really hard for me to imagine how his family's Christian faith is helping them under these circumstances, although I hope it is. I think my friend, his grandmother, is probably handling it better than his parents are.

You are really disgusting. As you said, you DO NOT KNOW THE DETAILS. So STFU.

OP here-Thanks for expressing your Christian viewpoint. Sorry whatever I said triggered you past the point of decent discourse.

I am not a troll and none of this is made up, unfortunately. I appreciate those who gave me some replies that have been helpful and for those who so easily lose their composure and lash out, yikes! Glad I don't know you IRL.

DP. OP, pp lost it, yes, and I too am not convinced you’re not a troll.

Whatever the case, though, it’s too bad you haven’t listened to any of the comments about judging people when you have so few facts.

OP here-I've known this family since before this kid was born. I know how they live their lives. I also know more than I am saying on DCUM. that's related to protecting anonymity. Perhaps I am being too judgmental but no more than some of the nasty, vicious commenters are being judgmental about me without knowing all the facts either.

But you didn’t know the grandchild was transgender, and you only viewed your friend’s pain in context of her faith not helping her, and blamed the parents and church for the child’s death without any reason or evidence given. If that’s how you act as a family friend, you need to reflect on what a friend is.

I don't live near them anymore, I am only a long distance friend with the grandmother at this point. Since learning what happened I have wondered about how she could possibly be handling this tragedy and hoped her faith would help her. The judgmental nature of the replies, from Christians I assume, makes me wonder how being one could help anybody. Maybe you need to reflect on how your response is helpful at all. You have no clue how I act as her friend so why even bother to reply?

This is a troll post. The theme of your thread is: “How Christianity helps absolutely no one.”

-it’s not helping your friend recover from the death of her grandson
-grandson (with zero evidence) was driven to his death by parents and church
-now anyone who you think comments negatively in your opinion is a “Christian” and “you can’t see how Christianity helps anyone.”

Why oh why can’t this forum just be for regular religious stuff? Not for very poor trolls who hate Christianity?

Pastor Rick Warren and author of the best selling book, “The Purpose Driven Life,” lost his son to suicide. This article explains how Christ followers process the pain of suicide. I hope this helps explain.

https://www.christiantoday.com/article/suicide-not-an-unforgivable-sin-says-rick-warrens-wife-whose-son-took-his-own-life/65021.htm

Suicide is a sin but it’s not unforgivable. The Bible explains that Christ’s death on the cross made it possible for us all to be forgiven of all our sins (all humans sin). Suicide is a sin but so is lying (yes even those little white lies and a rude word to someone and being selfish) etc. We are very broken and imperfect and therefore unable to go to heaven without a price being paid. Heaven is perfect. We can’t get in in our state of sin. All one has to do though is admit that they are a sinner and accept that Christ died on the cross for their sins and surrender their life to his leading. He paid the price for all who accept Him. It doesn’t mean we stop sinning if we believe, but it does give us the desire to not sin. He loves us so much that He did this so that imperfect humans can get there. We can’t get there on our own. Good works aren’t enough because there can’t be a shred of sin. A sinless human doesn’t exist.

Rick Warren’s son was a Christ follower. Following Christ doesn’t remove the struggles of this life but it does give you the assurance that He is there waiting to hold you at the end of your life. This gift is available to anyone who accepts it. Rick and his wife Kay are both Christ followers as well so they will see their son again. Though they grieve and miss him on this side of heaven, there is no greater comfort than knowing they will see him again.

The only unforgivable sin is rejecting Christ.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here-On a positive note it appears my friend is doing relatively well, better than I thought she would at first, although it is quite a rough road she is on. I agree with those who say she will likely never fully recover.

On the other hand, I just found out that the grandson had been struggling with his gender identity and was attempting to live as a female, something I had not known. I fear that his extremely evangelical parents and church family made this very difficult for him and that is likely at least partly why he decided to end his life. I do not know the details. It's really hard for me to imagine how his family's Christian faith is helping them under these circumstances, although I hope it is. I think my friend, his grandmother, is probably handling it better than his parents are.

You are really disgusting. As you said, you DO NOT KNOW THE DETAILS. So STFU.

OP here-Thanks for expressing your Christian viewpoint. Sorry whatever I said triggered you past the point of decent discourse.

I am not a troll and none of this is made up, unfortunately. I appreciate those who gave me some replies that have been helpful and for those who so easily lose their composure and lash out, yikes! Glad I don't know you IRL.

DP. OP, pp lost it, yes, and I too am not convinced you’re not a troll.

Whatever the case, though, it’s too bad you haven’t listened to any of the comments about judging people when you have so few facts.

OP here-I've known this family since before this kid was born. I know how they live their lives. I also know more than I am saying on DCUM. that's related to protecting anonymity. Perhaps I am being too judgmental but no more than some of the nasty, vicious commenters are being judgmental about me without knowing all the facts either.

But you didn’t know the grandchild was transgender, and you only viewed your friend’s pain in context of her faith not helping her, and blamed the parents and church for the child’s death without any reason or evidence given. If that’s how you act as a family friend, you need to reflect on what a friend is.

I don't live near them anymore, I am only a long distance friend with the grandmother at this point. Since learning what happened I have wondered about how she could possibly be handling this tragedy and hoped her faith would help her. The judgmental nature of the replies, from Christians I assume, makes me wonder how being one could help anybody. Maybe you need to reflect on how your response is helpful at all. You have no clue how I act as her friend so why even bother to reply?