Anonymous
10/08/2022 23:07
Subject: I’m a Biden supporter and I think he’s playing a DANGEROUs game
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m worried about the complete lack of critical thinking about Ukraine and Zelensky. Sure, they beat siding with Russia. But I wonder if we’re being played.
Keep rolling out the Kremlin party line.
+1. No serious person just drops this into the discussion and leaves.
Anonymous
10/08/2022 23:03
Subject: I’m a Biden supporter and I think he’s playing a DANGEROUs game
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:LOL at the MAGA trying to stir the pot.
Never voted Republican in my life. Masters degree from SAIS and strong believer in NATO. I am gravely concerned at how involved we’re getting with Ukraine.
Sure you are.
We’re on the same side. Do you have no concerns with what is happening?
NP - what do you suggest as the alternative? Ukraine has been trying to break free from Russia for a decade. We, and other western powers, have partnered with them politically and militarily for the better part of the last decade. They gave up their nukes in '93 with the assurance that what Putin is trying to do would not be allowed to happen.
Putin didn't like them pulling away and has manufactured pretense after pretense to invade. And then his forces have committed horrific war crimes. Nothing the world has done in the last decade has deterred Putin. At some point enough is enough.
And literally every talking head out there, including the ones that swore Russia would not invade, predicted a swift loss for Ukraine because of Russia's formidable military. All of that analysis and assessment was wrong. I have yet to hear or see any analysis regarding Russia's maintenance of its nuclear arsenal. Are they even in any shape to transport a tactical nuke, much less deploy it? And in any deployment of such a weapon, it still comes down to people giving the orders and pushing the button. I'm not convinced Putin can be certain his order will be carried out.
Anonymous
10/08/2022 22:31
Subject: I’m a Biden supporter and I think he’s playing a DANGEROUs game
Anonymous wrote:I disagree. I think all us couch potatoes understand the consequences. But we also understand that when a crazy person has nuclear weapons, you don't give in. If you've ever traveled to some of the places in the news, you'd understand. Power means everything and the weak don't usually survive.
It's like a policeman handing a criminal his own weapon. If you think the person is rational, just as scared as you are, and think they can be talked down - maybe you put down your gun.
On the other hand, if the person is a cold-blooded killer, what do you think happens the second you take the finger off of the trigger?
That's where we are now. Putin perceived the U.S. as weak because of Trump and the Republican Party. We haven't locked him up, even though he tried to take the White House illegally. Trump supporters tweet how they're going to destroy democracy. Putin thought Biden would be a pushover because he's old, but that turned out to be a gross miscalculation.
What did you think Putin would do with hypersonic missiles?
What is the Borei submarine for?
What do you think Poseidon drones are for?
Why do you think Russia sunk 800M into their nuclear programs to upgrade them?
With 6,000 nuclear warheads, you think Putin would ever just fire one and call it quits?
All of these weapons have only one purpose, and you're naive to think otherwise.
So here we are. Welcome to the world you let happen from your lack of attention, lack of interest, and lack of proactive measures.
800m on nuclear weapons? For Russia.
Wow. America spent 44 BILLION on nukes in 2021.
And we are supposed to be scared when?
Anonymous
10/08/2022 22:05
Subject: I’m a Biden supporter and I think he’s playing a DANGEROUs game
I’m grateful every day that Biden is charge of this situation. This administration has really surprised me with how well they’ve handled it.
Anonymous
10/08/2022 21:58
Subject: I’m a Biden supporter and I think he’s playing a DANGEROUs game
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:LOL at the MAGA trying to stir the pot.
You are either completely for Biden or completely against him. This is how you fight fascism: with uncritical loyalty.
Hard to tell if this is sarcasm or not.
If not.... wow. Just wow.
+1
At first I thought it was excellent satire. But now I realize it probably is just a crazy "true believer."
Anonymous
10/08/2022 21:50
Subject: I’m a Biden supporter and I think he’s playing a DANGEROUs game
Anonymous wrote:LOL at the MAGA trying to stir the pot.
Sorry to disappoint - this crazy is ALLLLLLL yours. LWNJ to the core.
Anonymous
10/08/2022 21:34
Subject: I’m a Biden supporter and I think he’s playing a DANGEROUs game
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:LOL at the MAGA trying to stir the pot.
Never voted Republican in my life. Masters degree from SAIS and strong believer in NATO. I am gravely concerned at how involved we’re getting with Ukraine.
Sure you are.
We’re on the same side. Do you have no concerns with what is happening?
DP.
None.
The civilized world is arming Ukraine against a supposed superior force that has invaded their territory, raped their women and shipped their kids off to adoption and retraining centers in Russia.
If anything, we should be doing more. I would hope the second russia is expelled from Crimea, that Ukraine is admitted into NATO so this never happens again.
Amen.
OP, for a SAIS grad you seem to know very little about Russia, Ukraine and NATO nor the reality of the current Russian military, which can barely keep tires on its trucks and gas and food flowing to its front line not to mention field any quality troops. It’s highly questionable whether Putin could execute his nuclear threat for a variety of reasons, and even if he could, he has been made aware that a nuclear attack on Ukraine would be considered an attack on Europe as a whole and would merit a response by NATO, and, although NATO and the US have taken a nuclear response of the table, they have made clear that they would be able to respond with overwhelming conventional force and destroy Russian troops in Ukraine and the entire Black Sea fleet.
FFS, even the Chinese are telling him to cool it with the nuke talk.
If you thought losing the Moskva and a chunk of the Kerch bridge has been humiliating, how do you think Putin will be viewed after that? If noting else, the past 8 months have demonstrated the capability of US and European conventional weapons to make good that threat.
Putin’s nukes only have utility value as an empty threat.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/02/us-russia-putin-ukraine-war-david-petraeus
Also, again, as a SAIS grad, you seem to know very little about how this threat has played out, what demarches have been delivered, etc. Try to keep up.
Anonymous
10/08/2022 21:14
Subject: I’m a Biden supporter and I think he’s playing a DANGEROUs game
Anonymous wrote:I’d rather have Biden than the former guy, who’s just give Putin what he wants. But I am sick with dread at the dangerous game Biden is playing. I think we’re trying to topple him, thinking this is our chance. I fear that what we’re doing is just pushing him into a corner, leaving him with only one option: nukes.
Do we start planning for a 6-month stay in Wyoming or somewhere away from big cities? That’s crazy right? And yet as I type it I wonder if it’s just prudent at this point.
You should go to Wyoming, the less people that interact with you the better.
No war has winners, but the US is clearly better off from this war relative to all the other players it’s impacting.
Anonymous
10/08/2022 21:12
Subject: I’m a Biden supporter and I think he’s playing a DANGEROUs game
Anonymous wrote:I’d rather have Biden than the former guy, who’s just give Putin what he wants. But I am sick with dread at the dangerous game Biden is playing. I think we’re trying to topple him, thinking this is our chance. I fear that what we’re doing is just pushing him into a corner, leaving him with only one option: nukes.
Do we start planning for a 6-month stay in Wyoming or somewhere away from big cities? That’s crazy right? And yet as I type it I wonder if it’s just prudent at this point.
What did the previous administration give Putin?
Anonymous
10/08/2022 21:10
Subject: I’m a Biden supporter and I think he’s playing a DANGEROUs game
Anonymous wrote:I disagree. I think all us couch potatoes understand the consequences. But we also understand that when a crazy person has nuclear weapons, you don't give in. If you've ever traveled to some of the places in the news, you'd understand. Power means everything and the weak don't usually survive.
It's like a policeman handing a criminal his own weapon. If you think the person is rational, just as scared as you are, and think they can be talked down - maybe you put down your gun.
On the other hand, if the person is a cold-blooded killer, what do you think happens the second you take the finger off of the trigger?
That's where we are now. Putin perceived the U.S. as weak because of Trump and the Republican Party. We haven't locked him up, even though he tried to take the White House illegally. Trump supporters tweet how they're going to destroy democracy. Putin thought Biden would be a pushover because he's old, but that turned out to be a gross miscalculation.
What did you think Putin would do with hypersonic missiles?
What is the Borei submarine for?
What do you think Poseidon drones are for?
Why do you think Russia sunk 800M into their nuclear programs to upgrade them?
With 6,000 nuclear warheads, you think Putin would ever just fire one and call it quits?
All of these weapons have only one purpose, and you're naive to think otherwise.
So here we are. Welcome to the world you let happen from your lack of attention, lack of interest, and lack of proactive measures.
LOL.
Putin knows weakness when he sees it. And, it is in the WH now (well, actually, right now that weakness is in Delaware where he spends most of his weekends).
The disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal was his first clue that our current commander in chief is no commander at all.
So sad!
Anonymous
10/08/2022 21:07
Subject: I’m a Biden supporter and I think he’s playing a DANGEROUs game
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:LOL at the MAGA trying to stir the pot.
You are either completely for Biden or completely against him. This is how you fight fascism: with uncritical loyalty.
Hard to tell if this is sarcasm or not.
If not.... wow. Just wow.
Anonymous
10/08/2022 20:59
Subject: I’m a Biden supporter and I think he’s playing a DANGEROUs game
We have purchased KI, NBC masks, and a Tesla Paid X with biodefense mode.
Apocalypse y'all.
Apocalypse y'all.
Anonymous
10/08/2022 19:26
Subject: I’m a Biden supporter and I think he’s playing a DANGEROUs game
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:LOL at the MAGA trying to stir the pot.
Never voted Republican in my life. Masters degree from SAIS and strong believer in NATO. I am gravely concerned at how involved we’re getting with Ukraine.
Sure you are.
We’re on the same side. Do you have no concerns with what is happening?
The alternative options are all worse and would have disastrous second/third order long term consequences. They've done a good job of staying calm and not getting baited. They also smartly got lend lease set up to get around any problems that might arise should Republicans get a majority in the mid terms. I'm more worried about Erdogan playing us than Zelensky. The Azeri-Armenian stuff is concerning.
Why is the Azeri Azerbaijan stuff concerning?
It’s just some caucasians beating up each other.
Erdogan is a very easy person to understand/deal with if you understand turkey’s geographic importance and respect the power that flows from that geography
Putin and Erdogan are very similar. Neither are difficult to understand and both have imperial ambitions. Just as Putin wants a new Russian Empire Erdogan wants a new Ottoman Empire. I'm worried about Turkey starting a second front (especially with Congress being pro-Armenian), things spiralling, and Turkey making a play for Dagestan/Chechnya. All of which make sense tactically from Turkey's perspective.
No one cares about Armenia except people who like the kardashians
Completely irrelevant
Btw Ottoman Empire crumbling a century ago lead to a lot of bad things btw — the issue with bro-ottomans isn’t their imperial ambitions but their Islamism
Congress cares about Armenia. The Armenian lobby has been very strong on the hill. The American people barely knows it exists though.
A second front via Turkey is useful from a short term Ukrainian perspective but medium term and from a broader persepective creates lots of not necessarily good complications.
Islamism is just a tool used in internal power games. As we already know from Chechnya, Afghanistan, and other places. It is a pandora's box when it gets opened. If Turkey makes a stronger move it will use Islamism as part of its tool chest.
Any time an empire crumbles bad things that had been papered over are unleashed. This is especially true if outside powers get involved. It is better if it happens organically. That being said, Turkey is a counter weight to Iran and Saudi Arabia.
People here also seem to forget that Turkey is part of NATO.
Erdogan forgets that Turkey is part of NATO.
Erdogan plays the field. With millions of Russian tourists visiting his country dropping cash, what motive does he have to turn them away?
Anonymous
10/08/2022 19:25
Subject: I’m a Biden supporter and I think he’s playing a DANGEROUs game
I disagree. I think all us couch potatoes understand the consequences. But we also understand that when a crazy person has nuclear weapons, you don't give in. If you've ever traveled to some of the places in the news, you'd understand. Power means everything and the weak don't usually survive.
It's like a policeman handing a criminal his own weapon. If you think the person is rational, just as scared as you are, and think they can be talked down - maybe you put down your gun.
On the other hand, if the person is a cold-blooded killer, what do you think happens the second you take the finger off of the trigger?
That's where we are now. Putin perceived the U.S. as weak because of Trump and the Republican Party. We haven't locked him up, even though he tried to take the White House illegally. Trump supporters tweet how they're going to destroy democracy. Putin thought Biden would be a pushover because he's old, but that turned out to be a gross miscalculation.
What did you think Putin would do with hypersonic missiles?
What is the Borei submarine for?
What do you think Poseidon drones are for?
Why do you think Russia sunk 800M into their nuclear programs to upgrade them?
With 6,000 nuclear warheads, you think Putin would ever just fire one and call it quits?
All of these weapons have only one purpose, and you're naive to think otherwise.
So here we are. Welcome to the world you let happen from your lack of attention, lack of interest, and lack of proactive measures.
It's like a policeman handing a criminal his own weapon. If you think the person is rational, just as scared as you are, and think they can be talked down - maybe you put down your gun.
On the other hand, if the person is a cold-blooded killer, what do you think happens the second you take the finger off of the trigger?
That's where we are now. Putin perceived the U.S. as weak because of Trump and the Republican Party. We haven't locked him up, even though he tried to take the White House illegally. Trump supporters tweet how they're going to destroy democracy. Putin thought Biden would be a pushover because he's old, but that turned out to be a gross miscalculation.
What did you think Putin would do with hypersonic missiles?
What is the Borei submarine for?
What do you think Poseidon drones are for?
Why do you think Russia sunk 800M into their nuclear programs to upgrade them?
With 6,000 nuclear warheads, you think Putin would ever just fire one and call it quits?
All of these weapons have only one purpose, and you're naive to think otherwise.
So here we are. Welcome to the world you let happen from your lack of attention, lack of interest, and lack of proactive measures.
Anonymous
10/08/2022 19:13
Subject: I’m a Biden supporter and I think he’s playing a DANGEROUs game
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:LOL at the MAGA trying to stir the pot.
Never voted Republican in my life. Masters degree from SAIS and strong believer in NATO. I am gravely concerned at how involved we’re getting with Ukraine.
Sure you are.
We’re on the same side. Do you have no concerns with what is happening?
The alternative options are all worse and would have disastrous second/third order long term consequences. They've done a good job of staying calm and not getting baited. They also smartly got lend lease set up to get around any problems that might arise should Republicans get a majority in the mid terms. I'm more worried about Erdogan playing us than Zelensky. The Azeri-Armenian stuff is concerning.
Why is the Azeri Azerbaijan stuff concerning?
It’s just some caucasians beating up each other.
Erdogan is a very easy person to understand/deal with if you understand turkey’s geographic importance and respect the power that flows from that geography
Putin and Erdogan are very similar. Neither are difficult to understand and both have imperial ambitions. Just as Putin wants a new Russian Empire Erdogan wants a new Ottoman Empire. I'm worried about Turkey starting a second front (especially with Congress being pro-Armenian), things spiralling, and Turkey making a play for Dagestan/Chechnya. All of which make sense tactically from Turkey's perspective.
No one cares about Armenia except people who like the kardashians
Completely irrelevant
Btw Ottoman Empire crumbling a century ago lead to a lot of bad things btw — the issue with bro-ottomans isn’t their imperial ambitions but their Islamism
Congress cares about Armenia. The Armenian lobby has been very strong on the hill. The American people barely knows it exists though.
A second front via Turkey is useful from a short term Ukrainian perspective but medium term and from a broader persepective creates lots of not necessarily good complications.
Islamism is just a tool used in internal power games. As we already know from Chechnya, Afghanistan, and other places. It is a pandora's box when it gets opened. If Turkey makes a stronger move it will use Islamism as part of its tool chest.
Any time an empire crumbles bad things that had been papered over are unleashed. This is especially true if outside powers get involved. It is better if it happens organically. That being said, Turkey is a counter weight to Iran and Saudi Arabia.
People here also seem to forget that Turkey is part of NATO.
Erdogan forgets that Turkey is part of NATO.