Anonymous
10/29/2022 17:35
Subject: Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
Anonymous wrote:Missionary "work" should be criminal. If you're providing *requested* humanitarian aid without ANY proselytizing, that's one thing. But "mission trips" are sickening and a form of violence, imho.
Religious freedom is not a given in many parts of the world. According to the Pew Research Center, more than 80% of the world's governments interfered with their citizens' religious worship in some way in 2019. Furthermore, although Christianity is the world's largest religion, Christians are in no way immune to persecution. For example, Islamic countries often view other religions as heretical, an affront to Allah, which is considered an extremely serious crime. Communist countries, by comparison, often outlaw all religion—which Karl Marx famously deemed the "opiate of the masses"—preferring that the government be the only authority guiding people's concept of fairness and one's role in society.
13 Countries Where Bibles Can Only Be Delivered by Illegal Covert Operations:
Afghanistan Mauritania Tajikistan
Iran North Korea Turkmenistan
Kazakhstan Saudi Arabia Uzbekistan
Kyrgyzstan Somalia Yemen
Maldives
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-where-christianity-is-illegal
pp, if you moved to one of those countries, you would be in good compan! What an illustrious group.
Anonymous
10/29/2022 17:24
Subject: Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Missionary "work" should be criminal. If you're providing *requested* humanitarian aid without ANY proselytizing, that's one thing. But "mission trips" are sickening and a form of violence, imho.
The dying people who showed up at her place presumably requested help. Many of them were still mobile, they could have left.
Wasn’t that the only place for some people? They didn’t have anywhere else to go according to a PP. So vulnerable.
Anonymous
10/29/2022 17:19
Subject: Re:Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One thing you have to keep in mind is that while the caste system is outlawed in India, the prejudices against the lowest level castes, particularly the Dalits, continue. Many Hindus still believe in reincarnation and believe that people are born Dalit because they were thoroughly evil in a past life.
A lot of the people Mother Theresa helped were Dalits. Some Indians believe that helping them is wrong. I may not phrase this correctly but basically they believe that Mother Theresa was interfering with karma. Those people dying in the gutter deserve that.
A disproportionate percentage of modern day converts to Catholicism in India are Dalits. Obviously, people who know that Hinduism teaches that they shouldn't dream of a job with more status than cleaning toilets because they were evil in a past life are more likely to reject that faith than are Brahmins who believe their exalted status was earned.
Many high caste Indians in the US share those prejudices and they discriminate against Dalits. It is a major problem in the tech industry which has a lot of Indians.
See https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-problem-also-best-kept-secret-caste-discrimination-rcna33692
Because they are the most vulnerable to conversion?
DP. Vulnerable seems like the wrong word. You're implying they were better off believing they deserved their low status.
I didn’t imply that at all. You can help people without converting them while they are under duress. It’s the exploitation of their situation that is the issue.
Being the only aid group that's willing to provide hospice care to dying Dalits is hardly "exploitation."
Again, the helping isn’t the issue. It’s the proselytizing of people in vulnerable situations.
Anonymous
10/29/2022 17:16
Subject: Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
Anonymous wrote:Missionary "work" should be criminal. If you're providing *requested* humanitarian aid without ANY proselytizing, that's one thing. But "mission trips" are sickening and a form of violence, imho.
The dying people who showed up at her place presumably requested help. Many of them were still mobile, they could have left.
Anonymous
10/29/2022 17:15
Subject: Re:Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One thing you have to keep in mind is that while the caste system is outlawed in India, the prejudices against the lowest level castes, particularly the Dalits, continue. Many Hindus still believe in reincarnation and believe that people are born Dalit because they were thoroughly evil in a past life.
A lot of the people Mother Theresa helped were Dalits. Some Indians believe that helping them is wrong. I may not phrase this correctly but basically they believe that Mother Theresa was interfering with karma. Those people dying in the gutter deserve that.
A disproportionate percentage of modern day converts to Catholicism in India are Dalits. Obviously, people who know that Hinduism teaches that they shouldn't dream of a job with more status than cleaning toilets because they were evil in a past life are more likely to reject that faith than are Brahmins who believe their exalted status was earned.
Many high caste Indians in the US share those prejudices and they discriminate against Dalits. It is a major problem in the tech industry which has a lot of Indians.
See https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-problem-also-best-kept-secret-caste-discrimination-rcna33692
Because they are the most vulnerable to conversion?
DP. Vulnerable seems like the wrong word. You're implying they were better off believing they deserved their low status.
I didn’t imply that at all. You can help people without converting them while they are under duress. It’s the exploitation of their situation that is the issue.
Being the only aid group that's willing to provide hospice care to dying Dalits is hardly "exploitation."
Anonymous
10/29/2022 17:14
Subject: Re:Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One thing you have to keep in mind is that while the caste system is outlawed in India, the prejudices against the lowest level castes, particularly the Dalits, continue. Many Hindus still believe in reincarnation and believe that people are born Dalit because they were thoroughly evil in a past life.
A lot of the people Mother Theresa helped were Dalits. Some Indians believe that helping them is wrong. I may not phrase this correctly but basically they believe that Mother Theresa was interfering with karma. Those people dying in the gutter deserve that.
A disproportionate percentage of modern day converts to Catholicism in India are Dalits. Obviously, people who know that Hinduism teaches that they shouldn't dream of a job with more status than cleaning toilets because they were evil in a past life are more likely to reject that faith than are Brahmins who believe their exalted status was earned.
Many high caste Indians in the US share those prejudices and they discriminate against Dalits. It is a major problem in the tech industry which has a lot of Indians.
See https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-problem-also-best-kept-secret-caste-discrimination-rcna33692
Being the only aid group that's willing to provide hospice care to dying Dalits is hardly "exploitation."
Because they are the most vulnerable to conversion?
DP. Vulnerable seems like the wrong word. You're implying they were better off believing they deserved their low status.
I didn’t imply that at all. You can help people without converting them while they are under duress. It’s the exploitation of their situation that is the issue.
Anonymous
10/29/2022 16:56
Subject: Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
Missionary "work" should be criminal. If you're providing *requested* humanitarian aid without ANY proselytizing, that's one thing. But "mission trips" are sickening and a form of violence, imho.
Anonymous
10/29/2022 16:50
Subject: Re:Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One thing you have to keep in mind is that while the caste system is outlawed in India, the prejudices against the lowest level castes, particularly the Dalits, continue. Many Hindus still believe in reincarnation and believe that people are born Dalit because they were thoroughly evil in a past life.
A lot of the people Mother Theresa helped were Dalits. Some Indians believe that helping them is wrong. I may not phrase this correctly but basically they believe that Mother Theresa was interfering with karma. Those people dying in the gutter deserve that.
A disproportionate percentage of modern day converts to Catholicism in India are Dalits. Obviously, people who know that Hinduism teaches that they shouldn't dream of a job with more status than cleaning toilets because they were evil in a past life are more likely to reject that faith than are Brahmins who believe their exalted status was earned.
Many high caste Indians in the US share those prejudices and they discriminate against Dalits. It is a major problem in the tech industry which has a lot of Indians.
See https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-problem-also-best-kept-secret-caste-discrimination-rcna33692
Because they are the most vulnerable to conversion?
DP. Vulnerable seems like the wrong word. You're implying they were better off believing they deserved their low status.
I didn’t imply that at all. You can help people without converting them while they are under duress. It’s the exploitation of their situation that is the issue.
Anonymous
10/29/2022 16:48
Subject: Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
*treated not threaded
Anonymous
10/29/2022 16:48
Subject: Re:Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One thing you have to keep in mind is that while the caste system is outlawed in India, the prejudices against the lowest level castes, particularly the Dalits, continue. Many Hindus still believe in reincarnation and believe that people are born Dalit because they were thoroughly evil in a past life.
A lot of the people Mother Theresa helped were Dalits. Some Indians believe that helping them is wrong. I may not phrase this correctly but basically they believe that Mother Theresa was interfering with karma. Those people dying in the gutter deserve that.
A disproportionate percentage of modern day converts to Catholicism in India are Dalits. Obviously, people who know that Hinduism teaches that they shouldn't dream of a job with more status than cleaning toilets because they were evil in a past life are more likely to reject that faith than are Brahmins who believe their exalted status was earned.
Many high caste Indians in the US share those prejudices and they discriminate against Dalits. It is a major problem in the tech industry which has a lot of Indians.
See https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-problem-also-best-kept-secret-caste-discrimination-rcna33692
Because they are the most vulnerable to conversion?
DP. Vulnerable seems like the wrong word. You're implying they were better off believing they deserved their low status.
Anonymous
10/29/2022 16:47
Subject: Re:Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One thing you have to keep in mind is that while the caste system is outlawed in India, the prejudices against the lowest level castes, particularly the Dalits, continue. Many Hindus still believe in reincarnation and believe that people are born Dalit because they were thoroughly evil in a past life.
A lot of the people Mother Theresa helped were Dalits. Some Indians believe that helping them is wrong. I may not phrase this correctly but basically they believe that Mother Theresa was interfering with karma. Those people dying in the gutter deserve that.
A disproportionate percentage of modern day converts to Catholicism in India are Dalits. Obviously, people who know that Hinduism teaches that they shouldn't dream of a job with more status than cleaning toilets because they were evil in a past life are more likely to reject that faith than are Brahmins who believe their exalted status was earned.
Many high caste Indians in the US share those prejudices and they discriminate against Dalits. It is a major problem in the tech industry which has a lot of Indians.
See https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-problem-also-best-kept-secret-caste-discrimination-rcna33692
Because they are the most vulnerable to conversion?
Because they get threaded like trash, left to die in the gutter, and are basically discarded by their culture and society. Does that make someone “vulnerable” to rape, starvation, poverty, child abandonment, etc? Yes.
Anonymous
10/29/2022 16:45
Subject: Re:Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
Anonymous wrote:One thing you have to keep in mind is that while the caste system is outlawed in India, the prejudices against the lowest level castes, particularly the Dalits, continue. Many Hindus still believe in reincarnation and believe that people are born Dalit because they were thoroughly evil in a past life.
A lot of the people Mother Theresa helped were Dalits. Some Indians believe that helping them is wrong. I may not phrase this correctly but basically they believe that Mother Theresa was interfering with karma. Those people dying in the gutter deserve that.
A disproportionate percentage of modern day converts to Catholicism in India are Dalits. Obviously, people who know that Hinduism teaches that they shouldn't dream of a job with more status than cleaning toilets because they were evil in a past life are more likely to reject that faith than are Brahmins who believe their exalted status was earned.
Many high caste Indians in the US share those prejudices and they discriminate against Dalits. It is a major problem in the tech industry which has a lot of Indians.
See https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-problem-also-best-kept-secret-caste-discrimination-rcna33692
Because they are the most vulnerable to conversion?
Anonymous
10/29/2022 16:41
Subject: Re:Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
Anonymous wrote:One thing you have to keep in mind is that while the caste system is outlawed in India, the prejudices against the lowest level castes, particularly the Dalits, continue. Many Hindus still believe in reincarnation and believe that people are born Dalit because they were thoroughly evil in a past life.
A lot of the people Mother Theresa helped were Dalits. Some Indians believe that helping them is wrong. I may not phrase this correctly but basically they believe that Mother Theresa was interfering with karma. Those people dying in the gutter deserve that.
A disproportionate percentage of modern day converts to Catholicism in India are Dalits. Obviously, people who know that Hinduism teaches that they shouldn't dream of a job with more status than cleaning toilets because they were evil in a past life are more likely to reject that faith than are Brahmins who believe their exalted status was earned.
Many high caste Indians in the US share those prejudices and they discriminate against Dalits. It is a major problem in the tech industry which has a lot of Indians.
See https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-problem-also-best-kept-secret-caste-discrimination-rcna33692
Yes. They are called “Untouchables,” because literally no one wants to touch their bodies. Mother Theresa touched them, and helped them.
Anonymous
10/29/2022 16:35
Subject: Re:Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
One thing you have to keep in mind is that while the caste system is outlawed in India, the prejudices against the lowest level castes, particularly the Dalits, continue. Many Hindus still believe in reincarnation and believe that people are born Dalit because they were thoroughly evil in a past life.
A lot of the people Mother Theresa helped were Dalits. Some Indians believe that helping them is wrong. I may not phrase this correctly but basically they believe that Mother Theresa was interfering with karma. Those people dying in the gutter deserve that.
A disproportionate percentage of modern day converts to Catholicism in India are Dalits. Obviously, people who know that Hinduism teaches that they shouldn't dream of a job with more status than cleaning toilets because they were evil in a past life are more likely to reject that faith than are Brahmins who believe their exalted status was earned.
Many high caste Indians in the US share those prejudices and they discriminate against Dalits. It is a major problem in the tech industry which has a lot of Indians.
See https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-problem-also-best-kept-secret-caste-discrimination-rcna33692
A lot of the people Mother Theresa helped were Dalits. Some Indians believe that helping them is wrong. I may not phrase this correctly but basically they believe that Mother Theresa was interfering with karma. Those people dying in the gutter deserve that.
A disproportionate percentage of modern day converts to Catholicism in India are Dalits. Obviously, people who know that Hinduism teaches that they shouldn't dream of a job with more status than cleaning toilets because they were evil in a past life are more likely to reject that faith than are Brahmins who believe their exalted status was earned.
Many high caste Indians in the US share those prejudices and they discriminate against Dalits. It is a major problem in the tech industry which has a lot of Indians.
See https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-problem-also-best-kept-secret-caste-discrimination-rcna33692
Anonymous
10/29/2022 15:41
Subject: Re:Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The only important perspective here is that of the local population.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Conversion-was-Mother-Teresas-real-aim-RSS-chief-Mohan-Bhagwat-says/articleshow/46348555.cms
“ her selfish aim devalued the virtues of a noble cause. Mother Teresa’s work had ulterior motive, which was to convert the person. In the name of service, religious conversions were made.
“ he had witnessed forced conversion of tribal by Roman Catholics.”
https://globalnews.ca/news/4331469/mother-teresa-bharat-ratna-missionaries-of-charity-trafficking/amp/
“Last week, Indian authorities said they busted a baby-trafficking racket in a shelter run by the Missionaries of Charity, the religious order set up by the late Albanian-Indian missionary in 1950.
Child welfare authorities said a nun and one other person linked to the charity were selling babies to childless couples for between $550 and $1,450.”
https://www.npr.org/2021/12/28/1068500102/india-blocks-foreign-funding-for-mother-teresas-charity
“ Prime Minister Narendra Modi's Hindu nationalist government has accused the Missionaries of Charity and other Christian groups of trying to force Hindus to convert. The charity has denied the government's accusations.
Earlier this month, police in the western state of Gujarat filed a legal case against a homeless shelter for girls run by the Missionaries of Charity. They accused the group of forcing Hindu girls to marry into Christian families.”
DP. The last two are from long after her death—she died in 1997.
I’m sure you can find many more testimonies from people, their friends and family who were helped, but I don’t have the time to waste on you today.
The point was: it's up to the people of India to determine if her "help" - and its legacy - has been welcome or not.
Agreed. 1-2 quotes doesn’t make the case for or against.
It’s not my case to make.
Point was stop fixating on what old white guys say. Look to the people affected by her actions and legacy. Probably some good, some bad. Up for them to decide if there was a net benefit.