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Anonymous wrote:At the heart of her administration/campaign is the fact that she and her followers are “victims.” This is the core of rightwing ideology.

The part where you know she’s full of sh#t? When she says she can’t be a “Christian mother”….in Italy. 😂

I mean, it’s just all so ridiculous. Just let people live their lives. The family is not “under attack.” Identity - gender or otherwise - is not “under attack.” At the heart of this thinking is “I’m a victim” status. I fear for anyone in Italy who is not part of her constituency of supporters.

Wow, a pretty impressive speech.

The best political speech I’ve seen in a long time.

Great in the sense that so many mindless rubes fall for the whole schtick. I never knew that Right wingers were anti capitalist!

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Anonymous wrote: We don't live in a consequence-free world. The Italians should and would bear the full brunt of their electoral choices. Right wingers don't know how to govern and , there's a part of me that believes they know it. So, what do they do to mask their congenital imcompetence ? They resort to victimhood and bigotry which they know abounds in their society.

If past is prologue, this government won't last . Expect the usual from right wingers ( self dealing, corruption, rule breaking etc) . At this time next year, the Italian economy won't be noticeably better off. If anything, it could get quite worse. Tourism made up close to 11% of Italy's GDP pre-pandemic—a huge chunk of that tourism includes americans— who tend not to be the trump sticker, pick up truck driving kind . But rather the cosmopolitan, college educated, left leaning type. I'm not sure if 'we just elected a fascist' could pass as a successful tourism selling point .

Well said. Unlike other conservative right wing authoritarian states in Europe like Poland or Hungary, Italy actually offers (offered?) something of cultural value. As correct-thinking people decide to spend their money elsewhere, it is hoped Italians return to sanity. Hopefully a coalition of other governments join in and hasten this change.

What is the definition of “correct-thinking people”?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: We don't live in a consequence-free world. The Italians should and would bear the full brunt of their electoral choices. Right wingers don't know how to govern and , there's a part of me that believes they know it. So, what do they do to mask their congenital imcompetence ? They resort to victimhood and bigotry which they know abounds in their society.

If past is prologue, this government won't last . Expect the usual from right wingers ( self dealing, corruption, rule breaking etc) . At this time next year, the Italian economy won't be noticeably better off. If anything, it could get quite worse. Tourism made up close to 11% of Italy's GDP pre-pandemic—a huge chunk of that tourism includes americans— who tend not to be the trump sticker, pick up truck driving kind . But rather the cosmopolitan, college educated, left leaning type. I'm not sure if 'we just elected a fascist' could pass as a successful tourism selling point .

Well said. Unlike other conservative right wing authoritarian states in Europe like Poland or Hungary, Italy actually offers (offered?) something of cultural value. As correct-thinking people decide to spend their money elsewhere, it is hoped Italians return to sanity. Hopefully a coalition of other governments join in and hasten this change.

What does that mean exactly?

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Anonymous wrote:Has she won yet?

Yes she did. Her party is the first party snd her coalition will have the absolute majority in both chambers. I just hope they don’t get a high enough majority to change the constitution (I am Italian). She is a post fascist who won also because she was the only party in the opposition in the last two years snd people are angry due to economic problems Italy has. Ironically, parties in her coalition are economically irresponsible and if they do what they promised, Italy will go down like Argentina, making things even worse for the people who voted them. The other two are Salvini’s Lega party and Berlusconi’s (Forza Italia party), both of whom are in Putins pocket (Berlusconi just a few days ago stated in an interview that Putin did not really want the war, he was pushed by the Russian people what really wanted it and he just meant to go three days to Kyev, remove Zelensky and help a new government of “good people “ govern Ukraine so he is a nice guy and this is not is fault).
In the last few years several protest party went to power (see the 5 stars movement 5 years ago) but they actually try to govern, they can’t keep alll the crazy promises they make and they lose consensus and then when we are on the brink of economic collapse’, a respected technocrat is called in to lead a large coalition government, see Monti 10 years ago and then Draghi two years ago. With a new election law that gives a premium to the winning coalition, Meloni’s coalition will have the absolute majority in parliament and in theory should be able to govern without the usual give snd take. The parties in the coalition itself are not friends snd there will be a lot of infighting. Let’s see what happens

My fear is the economy going down the drain seriously (like Italy out of her euro and the break up of the EU), Italy becoming politically a new Hungary and a fifth column of Putin, especially with respect to the war in Ukraine (although meloni herself has claimed repeatedly to be staunchly on the side of Ukraine, let’s see how long that last, Salvini and Berlusconi are unabashedly per Putin), and Meloni’s government attacking the usual scapegoats (Roma people, immigrants, LGTB people (“lobby” as Meloni has already said) when it cannot deliver on the crazy promises and people are upset.

So as an Italian and as a woman I am not happy.

My ex worked for a PD deputato from Tuscany. Pd is seriously broken.

Bloomberg has already covered this but FdI will not pull out of the euro. Italy does have massive economic problems but Unlike the UK, most of the Italian right understands (like orban does) the value of being in the eu.

I do think Italy will increase naval patrols in the med and actively use lethal force to stop boats from Africa from landing.

due to demographics and not wanting the “wrong foreigners” I can see the right trying to attract Italian Americans to try to move to Italy in quicker and larger numbers in the future

I have family living in Italy (non-white) but well off (150-200k euro per year salary) and they say it’s not that much different day to day than living in Netherlands in terms of racism/micro aggressions.

Azione and Viva would be better for the country but that won’t happen until boomers die off.

Why the hell would so-called italian americans sudddenly move to italy ? I'm confused.

because if you Ive American assets, QoL is great in como, Verona, Tuscany regions. If you are friends with international real estate brokers or follow financial news, Americans are buying up lots of property in Italy and filing for passports based on heritage

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-20/americans-moving-to-europe-housing-prices-and-strong-dollar-fuel-relocations

https://www.bloomberg.com/press-releases/2022-07-14/record-number-of-americans-exploring-moving-abroad-on-where-can-i-live-since-roe-v-wade-reversal

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: We don't live in a consequence-free world. The Italians should and would bear the full brunt of their electoral choices. Right wingers don't know how to govern and , there's a part of me that believes they know it. So, what do they do to mask their congenital imcompetence ? They resort to victimhood and bigotry which they know abounds in their society.

If past is prologue, this government won't last . Expect the usual from right wingers ( self dealing, corruption, rule breaking etc) . At this time next year, the Italian economy won't be noticeably better off. If anything, it could get quite worse. Tourism made up close to 11% of Italy's GDP pre-pandemic—a huge chunk of that tourism includes americans— who tend not to be the trump sticker, pick up truck driving kind . But rather the cosmopolitan, college educated, left leaning type. I'm not sure if 'we just elected a fascist' could pass as a successful tourism selling point .

Well said. Unlike other conservative right wing authoritarian states in Europe like Poland or Hungary, Italy actually offers (offered?) something of cultural value. As correct-thinking people decide to spend their money elsewhere, it is hoped Italians return to sanity. Hopefully a coalition of other governments join in and hasten this change.

What is the definition of “correct-thinking people”?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the heart of her administration/campaign is the fact that she and her followers are “victims.” This is the core of rightwing ideology.

The part where you know she’s full of sh#t? When she says she can’t be a “Christian mother”….in Italy. 😂

I mean, it’s just all so ridiculous. Just let people live their lives. The family is not “under attack.” Identity - gender or otherwise - is not “under attack.” At the heart of this thinking is “I’m a victim” status. I fear for anyone in Italy who is not part of her constituency of supporters.

Wow, a pretty impressive speech.

The best political speech I’ve seen in a long time.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: We don't live in a consequence-free world. The Italians should and would bear the full brunt of their electoral choices. Right wingers don't know how to govern and , there's a part of me that believes they know it. So, what do they do to mask their congenital imcompetence ? They resort to victimhood and bigotry which they know abounds in their society.

If past is prologue, this government won't last . Expect the usual from right wingers ( self dealing, corruption, rule breaking etc) . At this time next year, the Italian economy won't be noticeably better off. If anything, it could get quite worse. Tourism made up close to 11% of Italy's GDP pre-pandemic—a huge chunk of that tourism includes americans— who tend not to be the trump sticker, pick up truck driving kind . But rather the cosmopolitan, college educated, left leaning type. I'm not sure if 'we just elected a fascist' could pass as a successful tourism selling point .

Well said. Unlike other conservative right wing authoritarian states in Europe like Poland or Hungary, Italy actually offers (offered?) something of cultural value. As correct-thinking people decide to spend their money elsewhere, it is hoped Italians return to sanity. Hopefully a coalition of other governments join in and hasten this change.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: We don't live in a consequence-free world. The Italians should and would bear the full brunt of their electoral choices. Right wingers don't know how to govern and , there's a part of me that believes they know it. So, what do they do to mask their congenital imcompetence ? They resort to victimhood and bigotry which they know abounds in their society.

If past is prologue, this government won't last . Expect the usual from right wingers ( self dealing, corruption, rule breaking etc) . At this time next year, the Italian economy won't be noticeably better off. If anything, it could get quite worse. Tourism made up close to 11% of Italy's GDP pre-pandemic—a huge chunk of that tourism includes americans— who tend not to be the trump sticker, pick up truck driving kind . But rather the cosmopolitan, college educated, left leaning type. I'm not sure if 'we just elected a fascist' could pass as a successful tourism selling point .

Well said. Unlike other conservative right wing authoritarian states in Europe like Poland or Hungary, Italy actually offers (offered?) something of cultural value. As correct-thinking people decide to spend their money elsewhere, it is hoped Italians return to sanity. Hopefully a coalition of other governments join in and hasten this change.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: We don't live in a consequence-free world. The Italians should and would bear the full brunt of their electoral choices. Right wingers don't know how to govern and , there's a part of me that believes they know it. So, what do they do to mask their congenital imcompetence ? They resort to victimhood and bigotry which they know abounds in their society.

If past is prologue, this government won't last . Expect the usual from right wingers ( self dealing, corruption, rule breaking etc) . At this time next year, the Italian economy won't be noticeably better off. If anything, it could get quite worse. Tourism made up close to 11% of Italy's GDP pre-pandemic—a huge chunk of that tourism includes americans— who tend not to be the trump sticker, pick up truck driving kind . But rather the cosmopolitan, college educated, left leaning type. I'm not sure if 'we just elected a fascist' could pass as a successful tourism selling point .

Well said. Unlike other conservative right wing authoritarian states in Europe like Poland or Hungary, Italy actually offers (offered?) something of cultural value. As correct-thinking people decide to spend their money elsewhere, it is hoped Italians return to sanity. Hopefully a coalition of other governments join in and hasten this change.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has she won yet?

Yes she did. Her party is the first party snd her coalition will have the absolute majority in both chambers. I just hope they don’t get a high enough majority to change the constitution (I am Italian). She is a post fascist who won also because she was the only party in the opposition in the last two years snd people are angry due to economic problems Italy has. Ironically, parties in her coalition are economically irresponsible and if they do what they promised, Italy will go down like Argentina, making things even worse for the people who voted them. The other two are Salvini’s Lega party and Berlusconi’s (Forza Italia party), both of whom are in Putins pocket (Berlusconi just a few days ago stated in an interview that Putin did not really want the war, he was pushed by the Russian people what really wanted it and he just meant to go three days to Kyev, remove Zelensky and help a new government of “good people “ govern Ukraine so he is a nice guy and this is not is fault).
In the last few years several protest party went to power (see the 5 stars movement 5 years ago) but they actually try to govern, they can’t keep alll the crazy promises they make and they lose consensus and then when we are on the brink of economic collapse’, a respected technocrat is called in to lead a large coalition government, see Monti 10 years ago and then Draghi two years ago. With a new election law that gives a premium to the winning coalition, Meloni’s coalition will have the absolute majority in parliament and in theory should be able to govern without the usual give snd take. The parties in the coalition itself are not friends snd there will be a lot of infighting. Let’s see what happens

My fear is the economy going down the drain seriously (like Italy out of her euro and the break up of the EU), Italy becoming politically a new Hungary and a fifth column of Putin, especially with respect to the war in Ukraine (although meloni herself has claimed repeatedly to be staunchly on the side of Ukraine, let’s see how long that last, Salvini and Berlusconi are unabashedly per Putin), and Meloni’s government attacking the usual scapegoats (Roma people, immigrants, LGTB people (“lobby” as Meloni has already said) when it cannot deliver on the crazy promises and people are upset.

So as an Italian and as a woman I am not happy.

My ex worked for a PD deputato from Tuscany. Pd is seriously broken.

Bloomberg has already covered this but FdI will not pull out of the euro. Italy does have massive economic problems but Unlike the UK, most of the Italian right understands (like orban does) the value of being in the eu.

I do think Italy will increase naval patrols in the med and actively use lethal force to stop boats from Africa from landing.

due to demographics and not wanting the “wrong foreigners” I can see the right trying to attract Italian Americans to try to move to Italy in quicker and larger numbers in the future

I have family living in Italy (non-white) but well off (150-200k euro per year salary) and they say it’s not that much different day to day than living in Netherlands in terms of racism/micro aggressions.

Azione and Viva would be better for the country but that won’t happen until boomers die off.

Why the hell would so-called italian americans sudddenly move to italy ? I'm confused.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the heart of her administration/campaign is the fact that she and her followers are “victims.” This is the core of rightwing ideology.

The part where you know she’s full of sh#t? When she says she can’t be a “Christian mother”….in Italy. 😂

I mean, it’s just all so ridiculous. Just let people live their lives. The family is not “under attack.” Identity - gender or otherwise - is not “under attack.” At the heart of this thinking is “I’m a victim” status. I fear for anyone in Italy who is not part of her constituency of supporters.

Wow, a pretty impressive speech.

Anonymous wrote:At the heart of her administration/campaign is the fact that she and her followers are “victims.” This is the core of rightwing ideology.

The part where you know she’s full of sh#t? When she says she can’t be a “Christian mother”….in Italy. 😂

I mean, it’s just all so ridiculous. Just let people live their lives. The family is not “under attack.” Identity - gender or otherwise - is not “under attack.” At the heart of this thinking is “I’m a victim” status. I fear for anyone in Italy who is not part of her constituency of supporters.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the heart of her administration/campaign is the fact that she and her followers are “victims.” This is the core of rightwing ideology.

The part where you know she’s full of sh#t? When she says she can’t be a “Christian mother”….in Italy. 😂

I mean, it’s just all so ridiculous. Just let people live their lives. The family is not “under attack.” Identity - gender or otherwise - is not “under attack.” At the heart of this thinking is “I’m a victim” status. I fear for anyone in Italy who is not part of her constituency of supporters.

and she has a child out of wedlock and she is living with a partner she is not married with. so much for traditional family values.

Anonymous wrote: We don't live in a consequence-free world. The Italians should and would bear the full brunt of their electoral choices. Right wingers don't know how to govern and , there's a part of me that believes they know it. So, what do they do to mask their congenital imcompetence ? They resort to victimhood and bigotry which they know abounds in their society.

If past is prologue, this government won't last . Expect the usual from right wingers ( self dealing, corruption, rule breaking etc) . At this time next year, the Italian economy won't be noticeably better off. If anything, it could get quite worse. Tourism made up close to 11% of Italy's GDP pre-pandemic—a huge chunk of that tourism includes americans— who tend not to be the trump sticker, pick up truck driving kind . But rather the cosmopolitan, college educated, left leaning type. I'm not sure if 'we just elected a fascist' could pass as a successful tourism selling point .