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Anonymous wrote:Christian Democrats and lots of Republican Christians and other religious are against that too, OP. Atheists don't hold a monopoly on fighting to maintain the separation of church and state.

That's true. And Christians don't believe in any supernatural phenomena other than their own. But they do believe in their own, and that is a political problem, and a problem for the rest of us who do not believe in it.

I just think we'll be a much better, stronger and smarter country once people have voluntarily, logically, and of their own accord given up reliance on supernatural beliefs.

Lenin, Stalin and Mao agree.

Seriously, though, hyperbole like your OP just makes the people you’re concerned about harden their positions. I say this as someone who’s appalled by Trump’s Supreme Court nominees and the end of Roe v. Wade. Instead give a thought to psychology and ease up on the hyperbole.

Lenin, Stalin and Mao? Who is dealing in hyperbole and propaganda now?

Check my bolded parts in the statement "we'll be a much better, stronger and smarter country once people have voluntarily, logically, and of their own accord given up reliance on supernatural beliefs."

I believe people are capable of this type of growth, and the fact that non-belief is the fastest growing segment by a multiple supports that belief. They just need to know it is OK with society for them to follow the logic to that position.

I’m in awe of your arrogance. I’m a faithful person and I am quite aware that I contribute to making this country “better, stronger, and smarter” in my role as a high school teacher. Yes, I believe in God. I believe it takes courage and conviction to have faith in the unseen. I don’t push my beliefs on others, though.

The fact you are? I wonder which of us is more dangerous.

Sorry, but my post was not about you, or any individual.

"We'll be a much better, stronger and smarter country once people have voluntarily, logically, and of their own accord given up reliance on supernatural beliefs"

If you teach high school - a worthy and contributory endeavor, thank you - then you certainly can understand the difference.

ps no need to ad hominem along with your point, I did not respond in kind on purpose.

Yet you are speaking directly to me if you want people to “voluntarily, logically, and of their own accord” give up beliefs. I have beliefs, strongly held ones that direct my sense of morality and the direction of my endeavors. They are most definitely rooted in faith. If I follow your argument from previous threads (and I assume they are yours considering the similar words), you desire a country in which we no longer participate in various religions. You say you are not speaking to any one individual, but aren’t you calling for people (individuals) to “grow” into non-belief? Am I reading your posts wrong?

Yes, I find this type of thinking arrogant. It assumes that my path is inherently wrong and that I must “grow” into something that I find contrary to my values.

I wouldn’t presume to tell you to adopt my beliefs, nor would I suggest you need to grow out of yours.

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Anonymous wrote:Christian Democrats and lots of Republican Christians and other religious are against that too, OP. Atheists don't hold a monopoly on fighting to maintain the separation of church and state.

That's true. And Christians don't believe in any supernatural phenomena other than their own. But they do believe in their own, and that is a political problem, and a problem for the rest of us who do not believe in it.

I just think we'll be a much better, stronger and smarter country once people have voluntarily, logically, and of their own accord given up reliance on supernatural beliefs.

Lenin, Stalin and Mao agree.

Seriously, though, hyperbole like your OP just makes the people you’re concerned about harden their positions. I say this as someone who’s appalled by Trump’s Supreme Court nominees and the end of Roe v. Wade. Instead give a thought to psychology and ease up on the hyperbole.

Lenin, Stalin and Mao? Who is dealing in hyperbole and propaganda now?

Check my bolded parts in the statement "we'll be a much better, stronger and smarter country once people have voluntarily, logically, and of their own accord given up reliance on supernatural beliefs."

I believe people are capable of this type of growth, and the fact that non-belief is the fastest growing segment by a multiple supports that belief. They just need to know it is OK with society for them to follow the logic to that position.

I’m in awe of your arrogance. I’m a faithful person and I am quite aware that I contribute to making this country “better, stronger, and smarter” in my role as a high school teacher. Yes, I believe in God. I believe it takes courage and conviction to have faith in the unseen. I don’t push my beliefs on others, though.

The fact you are? I wonder which of us is more dangerous.

Sorry, but my post was not about you, or any individual.

"We'll be a much better, stronger and smarter country once people have voluntarily, logically, and of their own accord given up reliance on supernatural beliefs"

If you teach high school - a worthy and contributory endeavor, thank you - then you certainly can understand the difference.

ps no need to ad hominem along with your point, I did not respond in kind on purpose.

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Anonymous wrote:This article isn’t troubling. 61% of Republicans said they favored the government declaring the US a Christian nation, and most of those were older Americans. Most under 40 disagreed. So, you can relax.

Because the old folks will die soon, right? Still, it's scary, because these are the people who studied Civics in public school where they learned that the US is not a Christian nation.

Well, they learned that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; but they also learned that the US was founded on Judeo Christian values, and most of the people who settled the US were Christian.

You can’t push your religion on others. And *the government* can’t force your religion on others either.

The religious extremists in the GOP want the US to be a “Christian country” - they want to force their extremism on everyone else.

THAT is the issue.

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Anonymous wrote:This article isn’t troubling. 61% of Republicans said they favored the government declaring the US a Christian nation, and most of those were older Americans. Most under 40 disagreed. So, you can relax.

Because the old folks will die soon, right? Still, it's scary, because these are the people who studied Civics in public school where they learned that the US is not a Christian nation.

I guess if that is what it takes to get rid of these Christofacists...

Fact: people don't "practice" atheism

Anonymous wrote:The definition is wrong. Christian nationalism is the believe that the US was founded on Judeo Christian principles and that these principles are good and helped the US become a great nation.

Stop trying to push your religion on others.

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Anonymous wrote:Christian Democrats and lots of Republican Christians and other religious are against that too, OP. Atheists don't hold a monopoly on fighting to maintain the separation of church and state.

That's true. And Christians don't believe in any supernatural phenomena other than their own. But they do believe in their own, and that is a political problem, and a problem for the rest of us who do not believe in it.

I just think we'll be a much better, stronger and smarter country once people have voluntarily, logically, and of their own accord given up reliance on supernatural beliefs.

Lenin, Stalin and Mao agree.

Seriously, though, hyperbole like your OP just makes the people you’re concerned about harden their positions. I say this as someone who’s appalled by Trump’s Supreme Court nominees and the end of Roe v. Wade. Instead give a thought to psychology and ease up on the hyperbole.

Lenin, Stalin and Mao? Who is dealing in hyperbole and propaganda now?

Check my bolded parts in the statement "we'll be a much better, stronger and smarter country once people have voluntarily, logically, and of their own accord given up reliance on supernatural beliefs."

I believe people are capable of this type of growth, and the fact that non-belief is the fastest growing segment by a multiple supports that belief. They just need to know it is OK with society for them to follow the logic to that position.

I’m in awe of your arrogance. I’m a faithful person and I am quite aware that I contribute to making this country “better, stronger, and smarter” in my role as a high school teacher. Yes, I believe in God. I believe it takes courage and conviction to have faith in the unseen. I don’t push my beliefs on others, though.

The fact you are? I wonder which of us is more dangerous.

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Anonymous wrote:This article isn’t troubling. 61% of Republicans said they favored the government declaring the US a Christian nation, and most of those were older Americans. Most under 40 disagreed. So, you can relax.

Because the old folks will die soon, right? Still, it's scary, because these are the people who studied Civics in public school where they learned that the US is not a Christian nation.

Well, they learned that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; but they also learned that the US was founded on Judeo Christian values, and most of the people who settled the US were Christian.

Nope.

https://www.salon.com/2021/05/03/america-was-not-founded-as-a-christian-country-based-on-judeo-christian-values_partner/

https://bigthink.com/the-present/why-americas-christian-foundation-is-a-myth/

https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/american-history/

the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli

The biggest clue it is not founded on Judeo-Christian values? The Bible is not mentioned once in the constitution. I wonder why that is...

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Anonymous wrote:Atheist governments mass murder their citizens and commit atrocities on innocent people, unparalleled. I don’t think atheists should be worried. But, perhaps they can move to the countries that mandate state atheism and feel safer?

There's no such thing as an "atheist government". despite what you claim. If all you have is "Mao and Stalin!" your position is extremely weak and you should probably find a new argument. What the OPs link refers to is the exact opposite - a theocracy, based on the principles of the faith, like they have in Iran and Afghanistan.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god or gods. The lack of belief. End period.

The Politico article referenced only talks about the government stating the religion of the US. That will never happen here. But that’s not the same as a theocracy.

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Anonymous wrote:This article isn’t troubling. 61% of Republicans said they favored the government declaring the US a Christian nation, and most of those were older Americans. Most under 40 disagreed. So, you can relax.

Because the old folks will die soon, right? Still, it's scary, because these are the people who studied Civics in public school where they learned that the US is not a Christian nation.

Well, they learned that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; but they also learned that the US was founded on Judeo Christian values, and most of the people who settled the US were Christian.

Anonymous wrote:The definition is wrong. Christian nationalism is the believe that the US was founded on Judeo Christian principles and that these principles are good and helped the US become a great nation.

NO

Christian Nationalism
Christian nationalism is the belief that the American nation is defined by Christianity, and that the government should take active steps to keep it that way. Popularly, Christian nationalists assert that America is and must remain a “Christian nation”—not merely as an observation about American history, but as a prescriptive program for what America must continue to be in the future. Scholars like Samuel Huntington have made a similar argument: that America is defined by its “Anglo-Protestant” past and that we will lose our identity and our freedom if we do not preserve our cultural inheritance.

Christian nationalists do not reject the First Amendment and do not advocate for theocracy, but they do believe that Christianity should enjoy a privileged position in the public square. The term “Christian nationalism,” is relatively new, and its advocates generally do not use it of themselves, but it accurately describes American nationalists who believe American identity is inextricable from Christianity.

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Anonymous wrote:Lol. What a moron. There is no such thing as “practicing atheism”.

Based on that definition, guess what other country could be added to that list: the United States of America.

1961
The Supreme Court did not rule on religious tests until 1961, when in Torcaso v. Watkins it ruled that Maryland's constitutional requirement that every state official declare a “belief in the existence of God” was a violation of the free exercise clause of the First Amendment

Why do you hate America?!

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Anonymous wrote:That will never happen.

It seems entirely realistic to me, so much so that I have established dual citizenship with another country and own property abroad.

Because you’re afraid the government might say the US is Christian? Just curious, what country?

Anonymous wrote:This article isn’t troubling. 61% of Republicans said they favored the government declaring the US a Christian nation, and most of those were older Americans. Most under 40 disagreed. So, you can relax.

Because the old folks will die soon, right? Still, it's scary, because these are the people who studied Civics in public school where they learned that the US is not a Christian nation.

This article isn’t troubling. 61% of Republicans said they favored the government declaring the US a Christian nation, and most of those were older Americans. Most under 40 disagreed. So, you can relax.