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Anonymous wrote:This is why I refused to allow our students to get involved with the Greek houses at college. They wanted to because they crave the social life. But there is more terrible stuff beyond hazing and young people are vulnerable and lonely.

How can you refuse an adult to make a decision for them.

My DD currently at a state school in GA and in a sorority has NEVER been hazed.

Lol, you are naive if u think she’s never been hazed

You are really naive if you think you know the policies on most campuses with regard to hazing.

She has NEVER been hazed!

We were never hazed in our sorority. Quite the opposite, actually. Pledges were celebrated! ❤️

But maybe it was different because it was a very “academic” school that happened to have Greek life. Not a typical party school.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why I refused to allow our students to get involved with the Greek houses at college. They wanted to because they crave the social life. But there is more terrible stuff beyond hazing and young people are vulnerable and lonely.

How can you refuse an adult to make a decision for them.

My DD currently at a state school in GA and in a sorority has NEVER been hazed.

There is not a snowball’s chance in Hades that that is true at a public university in Georgia. Sorry.

Please provide evidence that my DD was hazed.

I’ll be waiting.

Provide evidence she never was.

You think your DD has control on what she does and when she does it and who she does it with. She does not. She is now a puppet and she will dance when they say to dance and she will drink too much if they tell her to do so.

You’re the one making the accusations so the burden of proof lies with you.

You’re other accusations are just so ignorant they are not worth of comment.

Anonymous wrote:The trouble with “hazing” is that it’s a bait-and-switch term. On the one hand there is abusive and unacceptable conduct such as branding, beating, and dangerous alcohol consumption, all which should rightly be banned. On the other, university “hazing” policies are often grossly anti-Greek and include such things as having a chapter meeting that runs past 11 pm—that’s “sleep deprivation” because classes for some students start at 8am—or making pledges go on a ten mile hike (“significant physical exertion not related to useful work”). I literally had a choir practice schedule that would have been a violation of our school’s anti-hazing policy if my Greek organization had required it.

Because you must sing after 11pm?

Anonymous wrote:The trouble with “hazing” is that it’s a bait-and-switch term. On the one hand there is abusive and unacceptable conduct such as branding, beating, and dangerous alcohol consumption, all which should rightly be banned. On the other, university “hazing” policies are often grossly anti-Greek and include such things as having a chapter meeting that runs past 11 pm—that’s “sleep deprivation” because classes for some students start at 8am—or making pledges go on a ten mile hike (“significant physical exertion not related to useful work”). I literally had a choir practice schedule that would have been a violation of our school’s anti-hazing policy if my Greek organization had required it.

Do YOU hike? A ten mile hike is extreme for someone who does not regularly hike--and I say this as someone who hikes and has completed multiple marathons and an Ironman (2.6 mile swim immediately followed by a 112 mile bike ride, immediately followed by a 26.2 mile run.)

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Anonymous wrote:This is why I refused to allow our students to get involved with the Greek houses at college. They wanted to because they crave the social life. But there is more terrible stuff beyond hazing and young people are vulnerable and lonely.

How can you refuse an adult to make a decision for them.

My DD currently at a state school in GA and in a sorority has NEVER been hazed.

There is not a snowball’s chance in Hades that that is true at a public university in Georgia. Sorry.

Please provide evidence that my DD was hazed.

I’ll be waiting.

Provide evidence she never was.

You think your DD has control on what she does and when she does it and who she does it with. She does not. She is now a puppet and she will dance when they say to dance and she will drink too much if they tell her to do so.

Anonymous wrote:The demands of non violent hazing causes lower grades which could have a negative impact longer term. They require the pledges to clean and do manual chores and drive members around, leaving no time for studies. And if they refuse to do it they are out.

Freshmen are so vulnerable and it's so exploitative and wrong.

It's similar to the cycle of trauma that you often see in dysfunctional families: because Person A experienced a trauma, then new Person B must also experience the trauma in order to "bond."

Trauma bonding is a very real thing and see to be the psychological crux of the Greek experience. Because you experience the same trauma, I know I can trust you.

The military is structured very similarly in the name of "unit cohesion."

The demands of non violent hazing causes lower grades which could have a negative impact longer term. They require the pledges to clean and do manual chores and drive members around, leaving no time for studies. And if they refuse to do it they are out.

Freshmen are so vulnerable and it's so exploitative and wrong.

The trouble with “hazing” is that it’s a bait-and-switch term. On the one hand there is abusive and unacceptable conduct such as branding, beating, and dangerous alcohol consumption, all which should rightly be banned. On the other, university “hazing” policies are often grossly anti-Greek and include such things as having a chapter meeting that runs past 11 pm—that’s “sleep deprivation” because classes for some students start at 8am—or making pledges go on a ten mile hike (“significant physical exertion not related to useful work”). I literally had a choir practice schedule that would have been a violation of our school’s anti-hazing policy if my Greek organization had required it.

Anonymous wrote:The police usually get called when someone dies or goes to the hospital. Otherwise it doesn't make the news.

Everyone knows this but the parents who really, really want their daughter to be in a sorority.

I want to watch this documentary but I don't think I can--the articles I've read on recent hazing incidents are so heartbreaking--can't bring myself to watch this.
I went to Maryland where Greek life is huge. I was probably the one Jewish girl on campus not in a sorority, but all my friends were. I rushed and was so close to accepting the bid, but turned it down because it just seemed too time consuming and plus, I dated fraternity guys and went to all the parties if I wanted access to that world. I agree there are benefits of being in a sorority (think less so in a fraternity where the main objective does seem to be partying)--the comradery, there are leadership opportunities, and you can use it for networking in your career--but you can have ALL of that even if you're not in a sorority.

I seriously hope both my kids take the non-Greek route. It's not necessary--you can have friends, party, etc. without having to pay $$$ to be part of an organization that requires you to meet what could end up being fatal requirements to "fit in." Your true friends wouldn't force you to drink a gallon of whiskey--the entire concept is perverse.

The police usually get called when someone dies or goes to the hospital. Otherwise it doesn't make the news.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why I refused to allow our students to get involved with the Greek houses at college. They wanted to because they crave the social life. But there is more terrible stuff beyond hazing and young people are vulnerable and lonely.

How can you refuse an adult to make a decision for them.

My DD currently at a state school in GA and in a sorority has NEVER been hazed.

There is not a snowball’s chance in Hades that that is true at a public university in Georgia. Sorry.

Please provide evidence that my DD was hazed.

I’ll be waiting.

That investigation should be done by you po.

I did my investigating and know for a fact my kid wasn’t hazed, nor was anyone else in her sorority. You made the accusation, I’m still waiting on the proof that you can prove there isn’t a chance that she or anyone else at a sorority in a public university in GA was hazed in 2021 or 2022.

You are basically an idiot for your baseless accusations.

I was in a sorority at a very large midwestern college. We were not hazed at all. I actually was expecting us to have to do something stupid or embarrassing-but that never happened. I don’t think it’s as common with sororities… frats on the other hand- yes for sure.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why I refused to allow our students to get involved with the Greek houses at college. They wanted to because they crave the social life. But there is more terrible stuff beyond hazing and young people are vulnerable and lonely.

How can you refuse an adult to make a decision for them.

My DD currently at a state school in GA and in a sorority has NEVER been hazed.

There is not a snowball’s chance in Hades that that is true at a public university in Georgia. Sorry.

Please provide evidence that my DD was hazed.

I’ll be waiting.

That investigation should be done by you po.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is why I refused to allow our students to get involved with the Greek houses at college. They wanted to because they crave the social life. But there is more terrible stuff beyond hazing and young people are vulnerable and lonely.

How can you refuse an adult to make a decision for them.

My DD currently at a state school in GA and in a sorority has NEVER been hazed.

There is not a snowball’s chance in Hades that that is true at a public university in Georgia. Sorry.

Please provide evidence that my DD was hazed.

I’ll be waiting.

NP. I think it’s naive to think your kids will always tell you the truth. It’s sweet and I’m glad you trust your daughter and her social circle, though. I’m much more skeptical.