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Anonymous wrote:Agree on Hopkins, Duke, and Columbia. Hopkins great for med and SAIS but what else. Top 20 yes not top 10. Duke is basketball reflected glory. Again maybe top 15. Columbia fair ranking to me is 8-10. Chicago overrated too.

Why do people hate duke so much on this board?

People don't really hate Duke. It is a great school (top 10-15 is elite). Duke and Notre Dame grads seem to always think their schools are underrated though!

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.

Notre Dame is Ivy level.

Almost, but not quite!

Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!

The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.

Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!

um, yeah sure..

No chance ND or Georgetown would accept an invitation to join the Ivy League if they were asked now. Way too much money and visibility in big-time college football and basketball.

Where's the invitation?

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.

Notre Dame is Ivy level.

Almost, but not quite!

Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!

The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.

Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!

um, yeah sure..

No chance ND or Georgetown would accept an invitation to join the Ivy League if they were asked now. Way too much money and visibility in big-time college football and basketball.

Anonymous wrote:Agree on Hopkins, Duke, and Columbia. Hopkins great for med and SAIS but what else. Top 20 yes not top 10. Duke is basketball reflected glory. Again maybe top 15. Columbia fair ranking to me is 8-10. Chicago overrated too.

Why do people hate duke so much on this board?

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Anonymous wrote:How long will Columbia be ranked around the #18 range? Is that ranking here to stay, or is it just a one year fluke as "punishment" for the data falsification scandal?

I'd expect them to be back in the 7-18 range over the next 5 years but gone are the top 5 days. Honestly, did anyone really believe they were a top 5 undergrad school though?

+1

Every Columbia undergrad alum I know hated their time there. The lack of focus on undergrads, poor funding, poor sense of community, and cutthroat and competitive vibe make Columbia a second-tier experience compared to HYPSM or even Penn/Dartmouth/Brown.

Exhibit A:

https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/comments/x9jnjy/where_can_i_find_some_people_who_arent_obsessed/

+2. No one ever bought that Columbia was top 5.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Hopkins is WAY overrated. I would put it below Duke & Northwestern (not to mention Dartmouth et al).

Hopkins has a premier med school and hospital system (that only Harvard and Stanford really rival). Honestly, nothing stands out about Duke and Northwestern other than maybe that cereal company's biz school at NW.

sure bud.

In all honesty, what really impresses you about Duke and Northwestern? They are both very good schools but Northwestern is basically the second best school for every discipline in the Chicago area. Duke prides itself on being the Harvard of the South and does have great basketball; however, I can't think of even a single truly elite discipline or grad school there. I've considered Duke the Northwestern of the South TBH, which isn't a bad thing (high-end private Power 5 schools). Both of them are great for the 7-15 range but shouldn't be feeling wronged anywhere in that range.

Anonymous wrote:I wonder why Emory isn't able to regularly get itself ranked higher? They have the 9th largest endowment (https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/Endowment) but have consistently been ranked in the low 20s.

The schools ranked higher on the endowment list have some upside given their resources.

Us news says it's resources is 17, so I really don't know why.

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Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate CS

Honestly, I wouldn't bother looking too closely at the few sets of undergrad departmental rankings.

I would. They are much a more useful tool than a general ranking.

The undergrad departmental rankings are not nearly as useful as the general rankings. The graduate rankings they do are more useful as a proxy if you are concerned about a particular discipline.

All students and parents should look at the overall school numbers. Students change majors often, so don’t choose a school solely for one program. For example, we have a relative that 100 percent searched and wanted a school with a great pre-veterinarian program as she wanted to be one for 10 years. One semester into college she changed her mind! Look at the whole school.

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Anonymous wrote:How long will Columbia be ranked around the #18 range? Is that ranking here to stay, or is it just a one year fluke as "punishment" for the data falsification scandal?

I'd expect them to be back in the 7-18 range over the next 5 years but gone are the top 5 days. Honestly, did anyone really believe they were a top 5 undergrad school though?

Columbia should hire Chicago's admissions dean! Chicago has been very good with fee waivers and ED2 and have jumped 6-10 spots over where they used to be while following the rules. Columbia has a bigger endowment and better location, so they should be able to get into Chicago's ranking area with a little attention and work.

NP Good observation about Chicago. Real/perceived safety issues and their awful supplemental essays doesn't seem to hurt them.

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Anonymous wrote:How long will Columbia be ranked around the #18 range? Is that ranking here to stay, or is it just a one year fluke as "punishment" for the data falsification scandal?

I'd expect them to be back in the 7-18 range over the next 5 years but gone are the top 5 days. Honestly, did anyone really believe they were a top 5 undergrad school though?

+1

Every Columbia undergrad alum I know hated their time there. The lack of focus on undergrads, poor funding, poor sense of community, and cutthroat and competitive vibe make Columbia a second-tier experience compared to HYPSM or even Penn/Dartmouth/Brown.

Exhibit A:

https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/comments/x9jnjy/where_can_i_find_some_people_who_arent_obsessed/

REDDIT?! C'mon man.

And the rise of the state schools? Some are legitimate like cal, UVA, Michigan and the like. But Georgia and Florida State are better than GW in anything other than football? What gives?

Tufts seems to drop a little lower each year.

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Anonymous wrote:How long will Columbia be ranked around the #18 range? Is that ranking here to stay, or is it just a one year fluke as "punishment" for the data falsification scandal?

I'd expect them to be back in the 7-18 range over the next 5 years but gone are the top 5 days. Honestly, did anyone really believe they were a top 5 undergrad school though?

Columbia should hire Chicago's admissions dean! Chicago has been very good with fee waivers and ED2 and have jumped 6-10 spots over where they used to be while following the rules. Columbia has a bigger endowment and better location, so they should be able to get into Chicago's ranking area with a little attention and work.

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Anonymous wrote:How long will Columbia be ranked around the #18 range? Is that ranking here to stay, or is it just a one year fluke as "punishment" for the data falsification scandal?

I'd expect them to be back in the 7-18 range over the next 5 years but gone are the top 5 days. Honestly, did anyone really believe they were a top 5 undergrad school though?

+1

Every Columbia undergrad alum I know hated their time there. The lack of focus on undergrads, poor funding, poor sense of community, and cutthroat and competitive vibe make Columbia a second-tier experience compared to HYPSM or even Penn/Dartmouth/Brown.

Exhibit A:

https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/comments/x9jnjy/where_can_i_find_some_people_who_arent_obsessed/

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Hopkins is WAY overrated. I would put it below Duke & Northwestern (not to mention Dartmouth et al).

Hopkins has a premier med school and hospital system (that only Harvard and Stanford really rival). Honestly, nothing stands out about Duke and Northwestern other than maybe that cereal company's biz school at NW.

Lol. The Hopkins grads are out in full force. Must feel like hitting the jackpot, huh!