Anonymous
Post 09/10/2022 17:04     Subject: Re:How much is Queen E to blame for Britain's colonism, really?
Anonymous wrote:When most of the world across several continents is saying she and all she represented was bad and yes she shares in the blame.
Maybe take your fingers out of your ears and listen.


I have been following the queen very closely since 1952. Can you post any links or let me know where these comments might be posted. I am genuinely interested.
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2022 17:02     Subject: How much is Queen E to blame for Britain's colonism, really?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The Queen was literally paid millions a year to represent the UK and quite literally wore jewels stolen from colonies in her crown. She did not apologize for any of these evils. Of course we should judge her legacy based on the British empire. There is no comparison to the average person.


Correct. Her country stole so many jewels and other resources from other countries and the royal family has many. Others sit in their museums. They should all be given back. This is not ancient history. India only got its independence in 1947.


I do not disagree with anything you wrote. But it still doesn't answer the question of how accountable we should hold the late queen.

Did she personally steal or authorizing the stealing of those things? Could she have prevented it?
Did she have the ability to return any of the things the royal family "owned"? (Sincere question on this one. If she personally could have decided to return jewels or other artifacts/treasures to the countries they came from, she should have done it. I'm just not sure she could)
They SHOULD all be given back. Who has the authority to do that? Did the queen?


I am puzzled about who the "we" is that should hold Queen Elizabeth accountable? Is it the United States? The UN? Britain? A group of ethicists? Religious leaders? Lawyers? And why are "we" so pure that "we" can judge others.
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2022 16:58     Subject: How much is Queen E to blame for Britain's colonism, really?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Seems like she was just in a line of monarchs after the fact, with many situations changing in the last 70 years anyway. She had no actual power, colonized nothing, etc. They are a show family, they don't actually reign, just a lot of pageantry.

Why all the targeted hate towards her?


Jealousy and envy as well as a heaping dose of ignorance and stupidity.


I went to pretty standard pubic schools and learned a good deal about the British government in contrast to our government. I am by no means an expert, but I cannot understand people who want the UK to be run like the United States.
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2022 16:52     Subject: Re:How much is Queen E to blame for Britain's colonism, really?
Can anybody answer some of the legit questions on this thread.

I'm interested in what the queen actually had the authority to do differently, substantively.

Could she have ordered the jewels and other artifacts to go back to the country where they came from?
What could she have done to end the colonization?

Other than the platform that she had to speak out against certain things (which is legit), how could she have directly affected change?
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2022 16:51     Subject: How much is Queen E to blame for Britain's colonism, really?
Anonymous wrote:“What you would never know from the pictures — which is partly their point — is the violence that lies behind them. In 1948 the colonial governor of Malaya declared a state of emergency to fight communist guerrillas, and British troops used counterinsurgency tactics the Americans would emulate in Vietnam. In 1952 the governor of Kenya imposed a state of emergency to suppress an anticolonial movement known as Mau Mau, under which the British rounded up tens of thousands of Kenyans into detention camps and subjected them to brutal, systematized torture. In Cyprus in 1955 and Aden, Yemen, in 1963, British governors again declared states of emergency to contend with anticolonial attacks; again they tortured civilians. Meanwhile, in Ireland, the Troubles brought the dynamics of emergency to the United Kingdom. In a karmic turn, the Irish Republican Army assassinated the queen’s relative Lord Louis Mountbatten, the last viceroy of India (and the architect of Elizabeth’s marriage to his nephew, Prince Philip), in 1979.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/08/opinion/queen-empire-decolonization.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare


People from a country that was founded in the blood of Native Americans, has slaughtered millions around the world in the name of democracy, and cares little about daily killings by guns should not be pointing fingers.
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2022 16:42     Subject: Re:How much is Queen E to blame for Britain's colonism, really?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because she and the royal family continue to benefit immensely from colonization. Not only is England still filled with the spoils and treasures of those they colonized, there has been no acknowledgment of the damage done to those colonized. There's been no reckoning.


I think they are supported by the British public, who pays them. Does the British owe the apologies for decisions in the past?


And what country does not have dirty baggage somewhere in it's past?


For someone who spent most of today setting up an Afghan family of five in a one bedroom apartment, I can say a lot about the dirty baggage of the Americans.
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2022 16:38     Subject: Re:How much is Queen E to blame for Britain's colonism, really?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:She benefited from it. Period.


And president Biden benefited from our history of slavery.


As did President Obama. Both his prep school in Hawaii and his law school in Massachusetts were built by enslaved peoples.
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2022 16:04     Subject: How much is Queen E to blame for Britain's colonism, really?
Anonymous wrote:The real answer—- none, nothing. She did not colonize anyone. In fact she did the reverse. Starting with Victoria the royal family has been a symbol but with no real power. There have been restraints since the Magna Carta but by Victoria no real power. Blame Parliament.

The past is the past and you cannot make up for it. Reparations are great if say Russia was forced to pay them to Ukraine now. Years later they are stupid. What is done is done.


No reparations. Any monies paid to African nations would be squandered, laundered and embezzled immediately upon receipt. UK would then be blamed for African leaders mismanagement. It’s a lose-lose
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2022 15:58     Subject: Re:How much is Queen E to blame for Britain's colonism, really?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:When most of the world across several continents is saying she and all she represented was bad and yes she shares in the blame.
Maybe take your fingers out of your ears and listen.


Huge exaggeration. I have seen one or two minor stories amid the hundreds of stories revering her and her life.


You’re clearly not tapped into the world of Africans, Indians, Caribbeans, and Irish.

Western Europe, the US, and Australia are not the majority of this world.


Irish are fine with queen. Those issues are long gone. Irish Americans may feel different.
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2022 15:56     Subject: How much is Queen E to blame for Britain's colonism, really?
The real answer—- none, nothing. She did not colonize anyone. In fact she did the reverse. Starting with Victoria the royal family has been a symbol but with no real power. There have been restraints since the Magna Carta but by Victoria no real power. Blame Parliament.

The past is the past and you cannot make up for it. Reparations are great if say Russia was forced to pay them to Ukraine now. Years later they are stupid. What is done is done.
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2022 15:54     Subject: Re:How much is Queen E to blame for Britain's colonism, really?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:When most of the world across several continents is saying she and all she represented was bad and yes she shares in the blame.
Maybe take your fingers out of your ears and listen.


Huge exaggeration. I have seen one or two minor stories amid the hundreds of stories revering her and her life.


You’re clearly not tapped into the world of Africans, Indians, Caribbeans, and Irish.

Western Europe, the US, and Australia are not the majority of this world.


Man’s clearly the majority of those countries have voted to remain in Commonwealth and continue ties to UK.

Any blame assessed to Queen is punting on their own misdeeds with leaders like Modi, Mugabe, Amin, Abacha, etc

Plus, Sinn Feinn made a sincere statement offering condolences. Outliers on Twitter do not make a majority
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2022 15:49     Subject: Re:How much is Queen E to blame for Britain's colonism, really?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:When most of the world across several continents is saying she and all she represented was bad and yes she shares in the blame.
Maybe take your fingers out of your ears and listen.


Huge exaggeration. I have seen one or two minor stories amid the hundreds of stories revering her and her life.


You’re clearly not tapped into the world of Africans, Indians, Caribbeans, and Irish.

Western Europe, the US, and Australia are not the majority of this world.
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2022 15:45     Subject: Re:How much is Queen E to blame for Britain's colonism, really?
Anonymous wrote:When most of the world across several continents is saying she and all she represented was bad and yes she shares in the blame.
Maybe take your fingers out of your ears and listen.


Huge exaggeration. I have seen one or two minor stories amid the hundreds of stories revering her and her life.
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2022 15:43     Subject: Re:How much is Queen E to blame for Britain's colonism, really?
Anonymous wrote:When most of the world across several continents is saying she and all she represented was bad and yes she shares in the blame.
Maybe take your fingers out of your ears and listen.


It is not most of the world, as evidenced by the overwhelming outpouring of support. It is a small percentage of Uber far left. Get out of your Twitter echo chamber

More importantly, no one here has pointed to a single action that she individually took. It’s performative
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2022 15:39     Subject: Re:How much is Queen E to blame for Britain's colonism, really?
When most of the world across several continents is saying she and all she represented was bad and yes she shares in the blame.
Maybe take your fingers out of your ears and listen.