Anonymous wrote:I am regular middle class Black people and I was raised to believe that they were sort of low-rent too. I have never been on one just because I have no interest but I have friends who go often and love them.

Interesting. My family is waspy and I always assumed it was a wasp thing. Apparently not!

Even being a former swimming pro, I’d never go on a cruise.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think they are trashy. I do think people really need to consider how the workers are treated before giving a cruise line their money.

The workers are not slaves. It is a volunteer position where they make more money than other options in their country. Do they make 200k? No. Sorry.

Cruise ships companies make huge profits on the backs of its exploited employees (and on the backs of the environment). If you life in a country like Philippines you are not in a "volunteer position". Take it or die. But nobody gives a sh... Just let's have fun. But on sundays running to chuch and praying for the poor.

You're telling me that by cruising, I'm saving their lives? Cool!

You can still go on a cruise you just have to talk about the David Foster Wallace cruise essay a lot and talk about how with so many families and kids it’s really convenient and try not to go to the Caribbean. Antarctica is ideal.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think they are trashy. I do think people really need to consider how the workers are treated before giving a cruise line their money.

The workers are not slaves. It is a volunteer position where they make more money than other options in their country. Do they make 200k? No. Sorry.

Cruise ships companies make huge profits on the backs of its exploited employees (and on the backs of the environment). If you life in a country like Philippines you are not in a "volunteer position". Take it or die. But nobody gives a sh... Just let's have fun. But on sundays running to chuch and praying for the poor.

Anonymous wrote:I am regular middle class Black people and I was raised to believe that they were sort of low-rent too. I have never been on one just because I have no interest but I have friends who go often and love them.

The tenants of a solid upbringing…work hard, do well in school, treat others nicely and cruises are “low rent.”

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Anonymous wrote:I get a shit ton of ads for cruise vacations from my Yale alumni account. And, based on my time at Yale, I’d say they consider themselves the opposite of trashy. But maybe all those whiffenpoofs are secretly trashy. They probably love a fried Twinkie washed down with a miller hi life too.

Anyway, my view is—-go on the vacations that work for you and your family, not the vacations that you think your parents think you should want.

Way to work in the fact that you attended Yale, which is apropos of nothing.

Now I just think Yale is a little trashy for slinging cruises

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Anonymous wrote:A laege cruise does pollute a bunch. While an international flight does not pollute at all, right? Quick week trip to hawaii doesn’t use fuel?

This is DCUM…selective outrage. Cruising destroys the environment, but going on multiple international flights annually is OK for the earth’s wellbeing. These are the same “environmentalists” that live in 5,000+ square foot homes.

No, no selective outrage. The question is why cruising is considered trashy. Flights of course are also a big problem for the environment, that's why I dont' fly anymore. Have no relatives outside the US, so it's possible for me. But cruising is much worse for the einvironment than flights. Sorry to disturb your life in a fairy tale.
https://theicct.org/marine-cruising-flying-may22/

Hmmm, neat that you can post on DCUM with a quill pen and papyrus.

I am regular middle class Black people and I was raised to believe that they were sort of low-rent too. I have never been on one just because I have no interest but I have friends who go often and love them.

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Anonymous wrote:A laege cruise does pollute a bunch. While an international flight does not pollute at all, right? Quick week trip to hawaii doesn’t use fuel?

This is DCUM…selective outrage. Cruising destroys the environment, but going on multiple international flights annually is OK for the earth’s wellbeing. These are the same “environmentalists” that live in 5,000+ square foot homes.

No, no selective outrage. The question is why cruising is considered trashy. Flights of course are also a big problem for the environment, that's why I dont' fly anymore. Have no relatives outside the US, so it's possible for me. But cruising is much worse for the einvironment than flights. Sorry to disturb your life in a fairy tale.
https://theicct.org/marine-cruising-flying-may22/

Both are horrible. It matters little that one is “worse.” It’s also terrible to eat beef or drive a gasoline powered car. Or live in a larger home. Yet people do some of these but others and claim superiority.

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Anonymous wrote:A laege cruise does pollute a bunch. While an international flight does not pollute at all, right? Quick week trip to hawaii doesn’t use fuel?

This is DCUM…selective outrage. Cruising destroys the environment, but going on multiple international flights annually is OK for the earth’s wellbeing. These are the same “environmentalists” that live in 5,000+ square foot homes.

No, no selective outrage. The question is why cruising is considered trashy. Flights of course are also a big problem for the environment, that's why I dont' fly anymore. Have no relatives outside the US, so it's possible for me. But cruising is much worse for the einvironment than flights. Sorry to disturb your life in a fairy tale.
https://theicct.org/marine-cruising-flying-may22/

Those articles make endless assumptions in order to try to come to a comparison, but the assumptions may or may not be valid. Also, there are usually tradeoffs with which option is supposedly "worse," like is it worse to have emissions on the ocean, or way up high where the effects of greenhouse emissions are much more pronounced.

Basically, anything you do is bad for the environment. You can't be flying to your destination and saying that cruising is somehow worse.

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Anonymous wrote:A laege cruise does pollute a bunch. While an international flight does not pollute at all, right? Quick week trip to hawaii doesn’t use fuel?

This is DCUM…selective outrage. Cruising destroys the environment, but going on multiple international flights annually is OK for the earth’s wellbeing. These are the same “environmentalists” that live in 5,000+ square foot homes.

No, no selective outrage. The question is why cruising is considered trashy. Flights of course are also a big problem for the environment, that's why I dont' fly anymore. Have no relatives outside the US, so it's possible for me. But cruising is much worse for the einvironment than flights. Sorry to disturb your life in a fairy tale.
https://theicct.org/marine-cruising-flying-may22/

97% of the posters trashing cruises have never been on one.

Anonymous wrote:I think the big focus on alcohol (on some of the cruises) is trashy.

All vacation destinations are focused on alcohol.

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Anonymous wrote:My old money Richmond friend just takes the same vacations over and over and over again. Kiawah, Maine, St. Croix, skiing. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Not something I desire to replicate.

Just curious as a Virginian, where do the old money Richmonders live?

Right near CCV (Country Club of Virginia) and St. Catherine’s/St. Christopher’s. Attendance at all 3 is apparently mandatory.

Thanks. I'll have to check that out.