Also, pre pandemic, new teachers get slammed with illness after Illness until they’ve been sick enough times to develop a broader range of immunity.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree that sub teachers are disruptive to the learning of any aged student, especially lower school.
I also agree that a passive, permissive teacher will not generate good behavior in the classroom. I saw this first hand in a couple classes.

Are you saying teachers should never take a day off?
Do you ever take a day off from your job?

Np. I plan vacations during for school breaks and get them approved by my superior. Sick days are rare. Dental and doctor appts are on school days off.

Why? Are you a teacher that takes days off during the school year for personal stuff? I recall that works easily with the 2 teacher model but not so easily with a 1 teacher per classroom model. That was a big adjustment for us.

Différent poster. I end each year with many unused sick days because it’s so hard to write good sub plans, it is not worth being out. My kids suffered for it and I regret I didn’t take more days off when they were younger and ill.

I totally understand annoying parents. But it’s strange going from daycare or a nanny to school. Kindergarten has basically zero contact. I get a report card once a semester saying if my kid is above, on target or below. And that’s it! I’m not a helicopter but I really wish I knew where my kid was so I could do more at home if needed.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree that sub teachers are disruptive to the learning of any aged student, especially lower school.
I also agree that a passive, permissive teacher will not generate good behavior in the classroom. I saw this first hand in a couple classes.

Are you saying teachers should never take a day off?
Do you ever take a day off from your job?

Np. I plan vacations during for school breaks and get them approved by my superior. Sick days are rare. Dental and doctor appts are on school days off.

Why? Are you a teacher that takes days off during the school year for personal stuff? I recall that works easily with the 2 teacher model but not so easily with a 1 teacher per classroom model. That was a big adjustment for us.

One of my child’s teachers was out for two weeks last year. Why? His daughter was dying. It was unscheduled personal leave that I am sure he would have preferred not to have to take.

This an extreme example but the point is teachers need to take the occasional unscheduled day of leave, as do we all.

Your child will survive.

How did you even know that? Our school says nothing. Our other kids school the teacher explained before they left for out of town obligations.
Case 1: radio silence and young kid never mentioned it til no work came home ever
Case 2: kid mentioned it day 1 at bedtime out of concern and empathy for the teacher.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree that sub teachers are disruptive to the learning of any aged student, especially lower school.
I also agree that a passive, permissive teacher will not generate good behavior in the classroom. I saw this first hand in a couple classes.

Are you saying teachers should never take a day off?
Do you ever take a day off from your job?

Np. I plan vacations during for school breaks and get them approved by my superior. Sick days are rare. Dental and doctor appts are on school days off.

Why? Are you a teacher that takes days off during the school year for personal stuff? I recall that works easily with the 2 teacher model but not so easily with a 1 teacher per classroom model. That was a big adjustment for us.

One of my child’s teachers was out for two weeks last year. Why? His daughter was dying. It was unscheduled personal leave that I am sure he would have preferred not to have to take.

This an extreme example but the point is teachers need to take the occasional unscheduled day of leave, as do we all.

Your child will survive.

Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine you parents getting a note home that there was a substitute for your teacher when you were a kid? Stuff happens and teachers have the right to miss school. I have no expectation that the school will alert me. This seems completely over the top, regardless of age.

Hide it or be transparent.

Your call school.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree that sub teachers are disruptive to the learning of any aged student, especially lower school.
I also agree that a passive, permissive teacher will not generate good behavior in the classroom. I saw this first hand in a couple classes.

Are you saying teachers should never take a day off?
Do you ever take a day off from your job?

Np. I plan vacations during for school breaks and get them approved by my superior. Sick days are rare. Dental and doctor appts are on school days off.

Why? Are you a teacher that takes days off during the school year for personal stuff? I recall that works easily with the 2 teacher model but not so easily with a 1 teacher per classroom model. That was a big adjustment for us.

Anonymous wrote:I agree that sub teachers are disruptive to the learning of any aged student, especially lower school.
I also agree that a passive, permissive teacher will not generate good behavior in the classroom. I saw this first hand in a couple classes.

Are you saying teachers should never take a day off?
Do you ever take a day off from your job?

Thanks Larla.

I once read an article about a psychologist who could accurately predict divorces with a super high rate. He didn’t look for whether a couple had conflict (all do), but whether a couple was hostile or vicious or mean-spirited or stopped talking to one another. Reading this thread reminded me of that article, because the back-and-forth felt like sitting at a dinner table with a couple about to get divorced. Even when the divorcing couple manages to get away from the arguing about who’s more right or wrong to a place of polite detachment, I still just kind of feel bad for the kids who had to live through that whole environment.

Your parents

Can you imagine you parents getting a note home that there was a substitute for your teacher when you were a kid? Stuff happens and teachers have the right to miss school. I have no expectation that the school will alert me. This seems completely over the top, regardless of age.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wait, parents think they should get an email when their kid has a sub? What?

Under age 10 students, yes.

After age 10 the students can ID a weak/clueless or strong sub themselves and behave accordingly.

This is the most controlling and entitled thing I have ever heard. No wonder there's a teacher shortage. This is the reason.

+1. What would you do with the information anyway?

I agree that sub teachers are disruptive to the learning of any aged student, especially lower school.
I also agree that a passive, permissive teacher will not generate good behavior in the classroom. I saw this first hand in a couple classes.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wait, parents think they should get an email when their kid has a sub? What?

Under age 10 students, yes.

After age 10 the students can ID a weak/clueless or strong sub themselves and behave accordingly.

This is the most controlling and entitled thing I have ever heard. No wonder there's a teacher shortage. This is the reason.